What's new

The Americans wonder: Why Did India Put Aging MiG-21 Jets on the Front Lines With Pakistan?

The recent clash raised eyebrows since the MiG-21 is generally seen as outdated.

by David Axe

Key Point: These jets are old, but can still kill. Perhaps India was saving its best fighters or another day?

The Indian air force defended its decision to send old MiG-21 fighters up against much more modern Pakistani F-16s during recent aerial skirmishes.

On Feb. 26, 2019 Indian planes crossed the line of control at India's border with Pakistan and bombed what New Dehli described as a terrorist training camp near Balakot.

Several days of aerial fighting followed the bombing raid. On Feb. 27, 2019, Pakistani F-16s and other planes crossed the line of control to attack Indian forces, New Delhi claimed.

Indian MiG-21s and other fighters intercepted the Pakistanis and shot down one F-16, killing its pilot, according to the Indian government. Islamabad claimed its forces shot down two MiG-21s, but New Delhi copped to losing just one jet.

Pakistani forces captured the MiG-21 pilot, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, and held him for two days before handing him over to Indian officials.

India's MiG-21s, while featuring some key upgrades, still are more than 30 years old. The Pakistani F-16 that the Indians shot down reportedly was a Block 52D model that Islamabad in 2005 ordered from the United States.

"The MiG-21 is in our inventory, why will we not use it?" Indian Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa rhetorically asked reporters when questioned about the aerial disparity.

To be fair, India in the 1990s upgraded its MiG-21s to the "Bison" standard with Western-style avionics, a new radar and radar warning receiver and compatibility with modern weapons. "[It] has got better weapons system, better air-to-air missiles," Dhanoa pointed out.

But the main reason India sent the MiG-21 into battle is that the type is still one of the most numerous in Indian air force service. "We fight with all the aircraft in our inventory," Dhanoa said.

Indeed, the aerial battle in which the MiG-21 and F-16 were shot down involved, on both sides, mixed formations of old and new fighters.

"The MiG-21 that was shot down on Feb. 27, 2019, was part of a formation of eight Indian fighters which included four Sukhoi 30s, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG-21 Bisons that were dispatched to engage a package of 24 [Pakistani air force] jets that included eight F-16s, four Mirage III aircraft, four JF-17 Thunders," David Cenciotti reported at The Aviationist.

India for years has been struggling to replace a large fleet of old, Russian-made warplanes. In 2018 the Indian air force operated 244 1960s-vintage MiG-21s and 84 MiG-27s that are only slightly younger.

The MiG-21s, in particular, are accident-prone. Since the first of 874 MiG-21s entered Indian service in 1963, around 490 have crashed, killing around 200 pilots.

New Delhi wants to spend around $18 billion building 115 new fighters to replace the old MiGs. The new planes would fly alongside European-designed Jaguars, French Mirage 2000s and Rafales, Russian MiG-29s and Su-30s, and India's own indigenous Tejas fighter in what Lockheed described as "the world’s largest fighter aircraft ecosystem."

Competitors for the 115-plane purchase include an upgraded F-16 that Lockheed Martin calls the "F-21," Boeing's F/A-18E/F, the Rafale, the European Typhoon, the Swedish Gripen E and the Russian MiG-35 and Su-35. Indian companies would assemble the new jets on license.

At the same time, Russia wants to sell to the Indians an upgrade package for New Delhi's Su-30s. The Su-30SM would benefit from many of the systems that manufacturer Sukhoi developed for the newer Su-35.

The complexity of acquisitions processes in New Delhi could force the Indian air force to operate for years or even decades longer a diverse mix of old and new fighters.

There's no reason this mixed force can't be effective in aerial combat, Cenciotti explained. An old fighter such as the MiG-21 can be deadly under the right circumstances.

Not always does the more modern and capable weapon system (in this case the PAF F-16) win. Several factors must be taken into consideration: pilot skills, support from other assets (including fighters and [airborne early warning] aircraft), ground radars, etc.

Above all, [rules of engagement] play an essential role: if the rules of engagement require a positive [visual identification] of the opponent, a fighter might be forced to come [within visual range] where a MiG-21 can be particularly threatening.

David Axe served as Defense Editor of the National Interest. He is the author of the graphic novels War Fix, War Is Boring and Machete Squad.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/r...aging-mig-21-jets-front-lines-pakistan-166940


what a stupid article.. waste of my time.. is this guy even an analyst ?
 
. . .
When I play Age of Empires, I also send my soldiers and equipment with low level and low HP to fight in useless fronts while keeping the best for the stronger front.
I also follow the same strategy. Using them as meat shield. Anyways, the claim made by this post is not true. India never shot down a fighter. Had that been the case, they wouldn't had cried for Rafale. And also these Mig21 are upgraded and not as bad as the name "mig21" suggests.
 
.
The author was probably thinking he is writing another novel....

David Axe served as Defense Editor of the National Interest. He is the author of the graphic novels War Fix, War Is Boring and Machete Squad......

These are some of his gems.......

''Several days of aerial fighting followed the bombing raid. On Feb. 27, 2019, Pakistani F-16s and other planes crossed the line of control to attack Indian forces, New Delhi claimed.
Several days or just a few minutes !!

Indian MiG-21s and other fighters intercepted the Pakistanis and shot down one F-16, killing its pilot, according to the Indian government. Islamabad claimed its forces shot down two MiG-21s, but New Delhi copped to losing just one jet.
So he wasn't lynched as claimed by fan boys :laugh: and there is no difference between MiG-21 and SU-30.


India's MiG-21s, while featuring some key upgrades, still are more than 30 years old. The Pakistani F-16 that the Indians shot down reportedly was a Block 52D model that Islamabad in 2005 ordered from the United States.
Ironically the Block-52 were no where near the scene.

While questioning the use of MiG-21s, he debunks his own story....

"The MiG-21 that was shot down on Feb. 27, 2019, was part of a formation of eight Indian fighters which included four Sukhoi 30s, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG-21 Bisons that were dispatched to engage a package of 24 [Pakistani air force] jets that included eight F-16s, four Mirage III aircraft, four JF-17 Thunders," David Cenciotti reported at The Aviationist.''

Basically, the whole article as credible as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
 
Last edited:
.
IMO India was planning to claim a historical event, if a MIG-21 could kill a 'JF-17/F-16' - definitely it could boost their moral and boast their claim that even their MIG-21 are better than Pakistan's top inventory.
If it was achieved, certainly a bad for PAF/USA and Pakistan.
Al-hamd-o-lillah, ALLAH SWT is the best planner.
 
.
simply because India think its vantage plane which have 0 electronics all is manual so no one can jam it :lol::lol:

when mig-21 was made there was no computers no PC boards and no electronics:dance3:even f-22 raptor can not jam a plane which have no electronics on board :lol:
 
.
Let's filter through the usual American BS and focus on the more relevant points. The American source is renowned for being in bed with Hindustan. Although it has gone pretty far by giving shoddy Indian claims some credibility.

This is a gem LOL: These jets are old, but can still kill. Perhaps India was saving its best fighters for another day?

Ludicrous Americans sucking Indian boots dry.
Su30, mirages2000 and mig 29 were all in the air that day
 
. .
So indians can ask for more defence soending and they facilitate their corruption
 
.
When I play Age of Empires, I also send my soldiers and equipment with low level and low HP to fight in useless fronts while keeping the best for the stronger front.
That is why Age of Empires is a video game. The truth is India needs its best fighters against Pakistan ... otherwise its air force does not stand a chance. I can guarantee you those obsolete Mig 21s will be shot out of the sky like turkeys by the PAF JF-17s and F-16s before they even get into visual range. The PAF has consistently bested the IAF in every single past conflict and yet here the Indians are thinking Pakistan has some pushover air force. Truly delusional beings.
David Axe must have selective amnesia or he's a moron. India's best jets were involved! MKI's and Mirage 2000's!!
David Axe and the National Interest magazine in general are extremely moronic ... their analysis is even poorer than those found in the comments sections of Youtube videos.
 
.
Islamabad claimed its forces shot down two MiG-21s

No fking einstein, we claimed one mig21 and one su30. These americans turds cant even do their shitty propaganda properly on behalf of their Indian sugar baby.
 
.
I know I'm not stating this from any position of credence in this forum, but can any threads/content on the Indian embarrassment/Op Swift Retort be limited to the relevant thread on the topic?

Specifically, I believe our concept formation should move beyond dwelling on past events and upon specifically what the Pakistan Armed Forces need to do to build up an aggressive posture along the LOC and WB to eventually be in a position to capture enemy territory.
 
.
National Interest's David Axe trying to provide the much desired fig leaf! Facts be damned, as long as a lie is repeated over and over, who cares about the truth of the matter.
 
.
The Mig-21 is fun to fly, no two Mig-21 is the same, no computer, no bitching Betty,no limiters and so within the IAF a Mig-21 seat is highly sought after. The IAF believe the Mig-21 due to its small size can sneak close enough undetected guided by AWACS to surprise modern adversaries a-la Cope India. The logic was sound, if the USAF F-15's were vulnerable then why not the PAF F-16. But, I guess the F-15's were not playing for the win @Cope India and the IAF fell for the we couldn't detect a 60's metal bird story. :lol:

https://theaviationist.com/2014/05/02/cope-india-2004-results/
 
.

Latest posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom