The Algerian Armed Forces.

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[The SC]

Yeah but PakistanNationalist is right...we've got much better equipment despite having the same budget and yet a much bigger army ! 127,000 vs 650,000 (throw in the Paramilitary Forces and that figure is well over a million active troops) ! I would have expected Algeria to have some better goodies with a budget of that size !

Algeria can field more than 500 000 soldiers in case of war (Millions if need be).

Due to some hardships it went through in the last 30 years; The attrition war in the western Sahara against Morocco, and its internal fightings for more than a decade, plus corruption and mismanagement of mega sized projects all lead to some obvious weaknesses due to these obvious causes.
But all in all they have managed to get out of it. So, do expect a yet more modern and powerful armed forces from Algeria in the near future.

 

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[The SC]

For geopolitical and geostrategic reasons, one should not compare Pakistan's armed forces to Algerian ones, but they complement each other if need be.

 

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[Armstrong]

I think(in my opinion) Algeria has a better air-force, land-force and air-defence than Pak, nevertheless, Pak has better navy and missile power.
All Algerian equipment have went through an extensive upgrade, you can notice that in the pics. I don't think you guys would say F-16 block 52 or JF-17 or Mirage 3 are better than SU-30, Su-24 mk2 and Mig-29.

Saying that on a Pakistan Defence Forum : Blasphemy !

On the Airforce : Pakistan wins by sheer numbers, the AWACs, the missiles we carry, the Ground Radar cover that Pakistan employs and our missile defences ! What can a few dozen SUs do against more than 300 BVR capable air craft who are linked to 6 (?) AWACs all the time and about 1-150 more Non-BVR equipped jets who can provide air-support. Add to that the Ra'ad with its 350 km + range and numerous Chinese, American and Brazilian origin BVRs we could probably take those SUs out from a long, long way off ! Throw in the soon to be acquired J-10s, JF-17s and a long range SAM system and that gulf would probably be widened manifold.

Pakistan Army : With a standing Army of about 650,000 and a Paramilitary Force of about 430,000 (some of whom are actually battle hardened and others are fighting in the Tribal Areas right now) and a reserve of about 500,000, Pakistan Army which is trained to fight an opponent 3 times our size would probably fair considerably better against 127,000 men ! Additionally our Al-Khalid Tanks and our T-80 UDs are designed to fight against India's T-90s whereas our upgraded Al-Zarrar and the Type 85s are for India's vastly upgraded T-72s...the sheer number of our tanks outnumber Algerian Tanks by a ratio of 4:1 and the rest of our T-55s and T-62s are being upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard and more and improved Al-Khalids are being built as we speak...so this will increase the qualitative difference even more. Add to that our APCs, our self-propelled, towed and rocket artillery, all of which ,combined, number well over 10,000 units and our qualitatively pretty good because we have to keep parity with India, I dunno how the Algerian Armed Forces could be actually better than ours. In fact, if you were to add the battle-field missiles we have, the logistics we've built up, the air-defence systems we have (MANPADs, SPADA, HQ-9s etc) and the ground support the PAF can provide...we'd probably compare very favourably with any army in the Muslim World...in fact if you throw in the Al-Nasr tactical ballistic missile thats, probably, going to become the corner-stone of our offensive formations, we'd probably the best army in the Muslim World !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Saying that on a Pakistan Defence Forum : Blasphemy !

On the Airforce : Pakistan wins by sheer numbers, the AWACs, the missiles we carry, the Ground Radar cover that Pakistan employs and our missile defences ! What can a few dozen SUs do against more than 300 BVR capable air craft who are linked to 6 (?) AWACs all the time and about 1-150 more Non-BVR equipped jets who can provide air-support. Add to that the Ra'ad with its 350 km + range and numerous Chinese, American and Brazilian origin BVRs we could probably take those SUs out from a long, long way off ! Throw in the soon to be acquired J-10s, JF-17s and a long range SAM system and that gulf would probably be widened manifold.

Pakistan Army : With a standing Army of about 650,000 and a Paramilitary Force of about 430,000 (some of whom are actually battle hardened and others are fighting in the Tribal Areas right now) and a reserve of about 500,000, Pakistan Army which is trained to fight an opponent 3 times our size would probably fair considerably better against 127,000 men ! Additionally our Al-Khalid Tanks and our T-80 UDs are designed to fight against India's T-90s whereas our upgraded Al-Zarrar and the Type 85s are for India's vastly upgraded T-72s...the sheer number of our tanks outnumber Algerian Tanks by a ratio of 4:1 and the rest of our T-55s and T-62s are being upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard and more and improved Al-Khalids are being built as we speak...so this will increase the qualitative difference even more. Add to that our APCs, our self-propelled, towed and rocket artillery, all of which ,combined, number well over 10,000 units and our qualitatively pretty good because we have to keep parity with India, I dunno how the Algerian Armed Forces could be actually better than ours. In fact, if you were to add the battle-field missiles we have, the logistics we've built up, the air-defence systems we have (MANPADs, SPADA, HQ-9s etc) and the ground support the PAF can provide...we'd probably compare very favourably with any army in the Muslim World...in fact if you throw in the Al-Nasr tactical ballistic missile thats, probably, going to become the corner-stone of our offensive formations, we'd probably the best army in the Muslim World !

You shouldn't underestimate Algerian power, all military branches complement each other. The most I admire about Alg army is their air-defense. It seems that I was mistaken about the ground force part but I insist that Algerian air-force is very close in strenge to PAF.

 

[Armstrong]

You shouldn't underestimate Algerian power, all military branches complement each other. The most I admire about Alg army is their air-defense. It seems that I was mistaken about the ground force part but I insist that Algerian air-force is very close in strenge to PAF.

Your insistence is duly noted; however I do disagree with your assessment ! But the point wasn't that they are comparable or not...the point was that with a defence budget of $ 6 billion and the relatively small numbers they have, they haven't done justice to their Armed Forces, by procuring the things they have. Sure the T-90s, the S-300s and the SUs are fine, fine additions but I was expecting much more. Look at Singapore for example they've used different technological force multipliers to make their small Armed Forces pretty bad arse !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Your insistence is duly noted; however I do disagree with your assessment ! But the point wasn't that they are comparable or not...the point was that with a defence budget of $ 6 billion and the relatively small numbers they have, they haven't done justice to their Armed Forces, by procuring the things they have. Sure the T-90s, the S-300s and the SUs are fine, fine additions but I was expecting much more. Look at Singapore for example they've used different technological force multipliers to make their small Armed Forces pretty bad arse !

Algerian military budget has only got raised considerably in the recent few years. It was about $ 2 bn before four years as I remember. So, this high budget wasn't like this for a fair long time like Pak. They have done a great job so far and they are going to acquire even more equip with high specs. Therefore, it's so early to judge them now.

 

[Armstrong]

Algerian military budget has only got raised considerably in the recent few years. It was about $ 2 bn before four years as I remember. So, this high budget wasn't like this for a fair long time like Pak. They have done a great job so far and they are going to acquire even more equip with high specs. Therefore, it's so early to judge them now.

If that is correct then they've done indeed done a good job and so kudos to them !

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thts from an indian parade.

Saying that on a Pakistan Defence Forum : Blasphemy !

On the Airforce : Pakistan wins by sheer numbers, the AWACs, the missiles we carry, the Ground Radar cover that Pakistan employs and our missile defences ! What can a few dozen SUs do against more than 300 BVR capable air craft who are linked to 6 (?) AWACs all the time and about 1-150 more Non-BVR equipped jets who can provide air-support. Add to that the Ra'ad with its 350 km + range and numerous Chinese, American and Brazilian origin BVRs we could probably take those SUs out from a long, long way off ! Throw in the soon to be acquired J-10s, JF-17s and a long range SAM system and that gulf would probably be widened manifold.

Pakistan Army : With a standing Army of about 650,000 and a Paramilitary Force of about 430,000 (some of whom are actually battle hardened and others are fighting in the Tribal Areas right now) and a reserve of about 500,000, Pakistan Army which is trained to fight an opponent 3 times our size would probably fair considerably better against 127,000 men ! Additionally our Al-Khalid Tanks and our T-80 UDs are designed to fight against India's T-90s whereas our upgraded Al-Zarrar and the Type 85s are for India's vastly upgraded T-72s...the sheer number of our tanks outnumber Algerian Tanks by a ratio of 4:1 and the rest of our T-55s and T-62s are being upgraded to the Al-Zarrar standard and more and improved Al-Khalids are being built as we speak...so this will increase the qualitative difference even more. Add to that our APCs, our self-propelled, towed and rocket artillery, all of which ,combined, number well over 10,000 units and our qualitatively pretty good because we have to keep parity with India, I dunno how the Algerian Armed Forces could be actually better than ours. In fact, if you were to add the battle-field missiles we have, the logistics we've built up, the air-defence systems we have (MANPADs, SPADA, HQ-9s etc) and the ground support the PAF can provide...we'd probably compare very favourably with any army in the Muslim World...in fact if you throw in the Al-Nasr tactical ballistic missile thats, probably, going to become the corner-stone of our offensive formations, we'd probably the best army in the Muslim World !

8 4 saabs,4 ZDK AWACS,AK-IIs,More MRAPs,tot of panter,A-100 and indigenous arty programe,a new long range SAM under development,an ICMB,MIRV,SLV programe and a new RSS satellite for the military...12 conventional subs and 1 nuke sub under development,UCAVs... i think we are numerically n tech wise superior than any muslim country...

 

[Armstrong]

8 4 saabs,4 ZDK AWACS,AK-IIs,More MRAPs,tot of panter,A-100 and indigenous arty programe,a new long range SAM under development,an ICMB,MIRV,SLV programe and a new RSS satellite for the military...12 conventional subs and 1 nuke sub under development,UCAVs... i think we are numerically n tech wise superior than any muslim country...

Perhaps but then again there is Turkey ! They're ahead of us in some things and the Saudi AirForce with their F-15s isn't a pushover either !

 

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[DESERT FIGHTER]

Perhaps but then again there is Turkey ! They're ahead of us in some things and the Saudi AirForce with their F-15s isn't a pushover either !

Their airforces are much better but navies n armies?but saudi training? and number of jets in Tuaf?

 

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