Featured The Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help: Hekmatyar

[MilSpec]

No you didn't, you referred to splinter groups, you just caught out and changed your narrative
Neither the Haqani group or Laskkar have turned on Pakistan and won't do. Like I said before, your knowledge of the region is poor, otherwise you would know the reasons why they wouldn't.
Oh and the milita of 71, I understand why you go back 50 years, as you pretty much have nothing to tout since then. Yep, I'll hand it to you back then you took an opportunity and utilised it. But we live in the present, and the Kashmiri rebels take their toll from you, and we all know about the reach in Afghanistan. You can reminisce about 71.
As for the those organisations, they only propped up after your torture of the Kashmiri people. Put an end to that and then hey presto, the terror stops. Not had to understand that.

Well, you can read my posts again, if you come across any difficulty in deciphering feel free to reach out, I will be more than happy to provide requisite disambiguation.
As far as my knowledge on any matter, I do admit I am not all-knowing as everyone else on the forum, And I fully stand behind those shortcomings if any.
As far as insurgent groups turning on you, let's see, Do we remember Ilyaas Kashmiri, and on more subtle note I think, Ramzi Yousef was trained in the Muridke, Markaz Campus of LET; how did that work out for Pakistan?
Coming to Militia;
Again I apologize, I wasn't aware when you talk about Militia, your sentence is limited to 32 years, not 50. I have to admit, these contortions of narratives baffle me quite a bit. Next time around I will ensure asking the timelines that you want to accuse the incompetence of Indian statecraft.

And for those organisation, you don't think they are heinous terrorists that kill innocent people and should be condemned?

 

[waz]

Well, you can read my posts again, if you come across any difficulty in deciphering feel free to reach out, I will be more than happy to provide requisite disambiguation.
As far as my knowledge on any matter, I do admit I am not all-knowing as everyone else on the forum, And I fully stand behind those shortcomings if any.
As far as insurgent groups turning on you, let's see, Do we remember Ilyaas Kashmiri, and on more subtle note I think, Ramzi Yousef was trained in the Muridke, Markaz Campus of LET; how did that work out for Pakistan?
Coming to Militia;
Again I apologize, I wasn't aware when you talk about Militia, your sentence is limited to 32 years, not 50. I have to admit, these contortions of narratives baffle me quite a bit. Next time around I will ensure asking the timelines that you want to accuse the incompetence of Indian statecraft.

And for those organisation, you don't think they are heinous terrorists that kill innocent people and should be condemned?

I have no issue with deciphering what you wrote, hence I called you out on it i.e. you linking ongoing covert operations in Afghanistan, with events which happened over 15 years ago.
There was mention of Harkat Al Ansar, I do believe, so I have no idea why you raised the names above, and yes the content did include the part of them turning on Pakistan. At the same time examples were given when they have't, actually the vast majority didn't turn out to be Frankenstein's monster.
No need to apologise or ask for timelines, I gave you due credit for 71 and your milita, did I not? You just humour me, much like your brethren, when you jump to this default option of 71, as we all know the work history has run up pretty much of a blank since then. Also that's not due to want of trying, gosh you have tid ever so hard, but as you stated "incompetence" just pulls your services down.

As for those organisations, don't you think they're a result of heinous acts committed by your forces? Hate begets hate dear chap, don't you think?

 

[MilSpec]

I have no issue with deciphering what you wrote, hence I called you out on it i.e. you linking ongoing covert operations in Afghanistan, with events which happened over 15 years ago.

50 years ago doesn't work, neither does 15 years. It's kind of difficult to provide precedence as strategic turnover take a bit of time, or else they would be termed tactical.

There was mention of Harkat Al Ansar, I do believe, so I have no idea why you raised the names above, and yes the content did include the part of them turning on Pakistan. At the same time examples were given when they haven't, actually, the vast majority didn't turn out to be Frankenstein's monster.

the vast majority didn't turn out to be Frankenstein's monster - YET, In historical context 30 odd years is a short time.

No need to apologise or ask for timelines, I gave you due credit for 71 and your milita, did I not? You just humour me, much like your brethren, when you jump to this default option of 71, as we all know the work history has run up pretty much of a blank since then. Also that's not due to want of trying, gosh you have tid ever so hard, but as you stated "incompetence" just pulls your services down.

Thanks, the feeling is quite mutual, When a Sr Moderator on an famous defence forum claims ISI being responsible for drive by shootings, IED's and bomb blasts in homes of the individuals it perceives as enemy; entertainment quotient such rhetoric packs is priceless.

As for those organisations, don't you think they're a result of heinous acts committed by your forces? Hate begets hate dear chap, don't you think?

No I don't. They are an outcome of stated strategic policy of Pakistani Stalwarts : verbatim 'Bleed India Through A Thousand Cuts.

 

[waz]

50 years ago doesn't work, neither does 15 years. It's kind of difficult to provide precedence as strategic turnover take a bit of time, or else they would be termed tactical.

How many years would you put it at then?

the vast majority didn't turn out to be Frankenstein's monster - YET, In historical context 30 odd years is a short time.

Then why embark on this discussion then? When they do, come back to this thread. They have't and won't, aside what I already mentioned.

Thanks, the feeling is quite mutual, When a Sr Moderator on an famous defence forum claims ISI being responsible for drive by shootings, IED's and bomb blasts in homes of the individuals it perceives as enemy; entertainment quotient such rhetoric packs is priceless.

Obviously the clandestine operations carried out the world over by the CIA, KGB, Mossad etc are also a figment of peoples imaginations yes? I'm curious as to who do you think is taking out multiple members of the BLA, TTP and their affiliates. A bad case of taking someone's Suzuki bike for a joyride? Maybe the beef/goat curry wasn't good around the campfire?

No I don't. They are an outcome of stated strategic policy of Pakistani Stalwarts : verbatim 'Bleed India Through A Thousand Cuts.

Of course you wouldn't, just yesterday you mocked and laughed at a petition put out by accomplished and productive members of Kashmiri society, none of which is a separatist, as you're very much in favour of the jackboot crushing rights approach.
Therein lies your problem, and explains much of your postings above and on other threads.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

What? Afghan government is home to some of the most well equipped militias around the world and while many of them don the uniform of the ANA yet even if we ignore those that don the uniform, there exists plenty of well armed militia in Afghanistan under the control of warlords. India can offer them little apart from funds since they really dont need help with militia making nor with underground weapon dealings. This is why the country will always be home to conflict. The war lords run on war economy and they will make sure the war continues.

I am more interested in hekmatyar and his statement. looks to me like the old war lord wants us to supply him with funds and weapons to recreate the old army he had under his control with which he burned kabul to the ground. The three words Afghanistan, northern militia and India were made as if to get our attention that if we want our influence to survive then we must arm our allies and make our militias to counter them. In the 90s that would have gotten our attention however now, we are not interested. There is a reason we are fencing the border at a huge cost.

Hekmatyar found out that he gave way too much for too little and the country is internally a hub for warlords that are carving influence be it under the clothes of Islamic rule or democracy or ethnic unity.

India directly funded, trained, oversaw operations of, supplued, and built bases for TTP, JuA, Daesh, specifically in Nangarhar. It is well documented if you search.

You are getting too sucked into Indian propaganda, you have to extricate yourself.

There were 7 consulates India had in Afghanistan, in every part of the country, where terrorist funding and overt support, training, logistics were provided to those terrorists.

India has the blood of 75,000 Pakistanis on its hands.

During 90s, Afghanistan was a peaceful and unified country under Taliban rule. Kidnappings, drug mafia, and rogue warlords were a thing of the past. Now again we at at this point.

In the past year alone, joint Taliban and Pakistan action has eliminated many leaders of this anti-Pakistan nexus.

Future looks bright for both states.

 

[Jazzbot]

And idiots on our side opened chaman border few days ago for our beloved afghan brothers

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And idiots on our side opened chaman border few days ago for our beloved afghan brothers

If you win over Afghan populace, you don't have to fight an eternal proxy war in Afghanistan.

This is what our enemies fear most.

 

[MilSpec]

How many years would you put it at then?

About 50 years (2 generations) for any longterm strategic impetus to set it,

Then why embark on this discussion then? When they do, come back to this thread. They have't and won't, aside what I already mentioned.

In general Good terrorist Bad Terrorist doesn't work.

Obviously the clandestine operations carried out the world over by the CIA, KGB, Mossad etc are also a figment of peoples imaginations yes? I'm curious as to who do you think is taking out multiple members of the BLA, TTP and their affiliates. A bad case of taking someone's Suzuki bike for a joyride? Maybe the beef/goat curry wasn't good around the campfire?

Don't know, I am just surprised that you are overtly attributing such extra-judicial killing to ISI, which is quite amusing. (keyword being Overt)

Of course, you wouldn't, just yesterday you mocked and laughed at a petition put out by accomplished and productive members of Kashmiri society, none of which is a separatist, as you're very much in favor of the jackboot crushing rights approach.
Therein lies your problem, and explains much of your postings above and on other threads.

Again, I mocked the strength behind the petition, not the petition. Hopefully, that clears your misreading of the post.
I am actually quite ambivalent to the policy changes in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, and I do not know or claim to know the repercussions of those changes, you are free to pick it up on that thread than derailing this one. As far as rights, you are quite wrong, I advocate equal rights for every Indian Citizen.

Did Zarb-e-Azb work? my advocacy is quite similar to the insurgent groups working in the valley.

 

[waz]

About 50 years (2 generations) for any longterm strategic impetus to set it,





In general Good terrorist Bad Terrorist doesn't work.




Don't know, I am just surprised that you are overtly attributing such extra-judicial killing to ISI, which is quite amusing. (keyword being Overt)



Again, I mocked the strength behind the petition, not the petition. Hopefully, that clears your misreading of the post.
I am actually quite ambivalent to the policy changes in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, and I do not know or claim to know the repercussions of those changes, you are free to pick it up on that thread than derailing this one. As far as rights, you are quite wrong, I advocate equal rights for every Indian Citizen.

Did Zarb-e-Azb work? my advocacy is quite similar to the insurgent groups working in the valley.

Ok.

 

[Behram Khilji]

No mate Taliban, they won’t they are another homosexual group, Their motto is Allah & a young Alak.

Pushtoons have no achievement to show, people who lack unity & ambition.
Always the foot soldiers of somebody be it Khiljis, Ghuris & so on but always serving never leading.

Afghans sold this land to British & its people like they sell their daughters.

 

[khail007]

Taliban themselves have an ability to analyse the situation - UK/USSR/USA (I wonder all started with 'U' as common pre-fix) miserably failed to force their erroneous policies in the region and forced to out.
So who is next is writing on the wall; those who claim/believe Pakistan is advising the policy matters to Taliban are not correct in their analysis.

 

[nahtanbob]

On a serious note won't Pakistan benefit more from a peaceful Afghanistan even if it is a thorn in your flesh.
I see no value for Pakistan in this Afghanistan fighting that has lasted more four decades. The value was in the American taxpayer $$$ which has dried up.

While the Pakistani establishment is good at creating proxies and conducting proxy wars there are utterly incompetent at political outcomes. the goal of war is achieve desirable political outcome.

No one wants to address the fact that Iran has an effective veto over Pakistan/Taliban attempts to conquer Afghanistan. Iran is no slouch at proxy warfare - Yemen, Iraq, Syria or Lebanon

@waz @MilSpec

 

[My-Analogous]

The Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help: Hekmatyar

Hezb-e-Islami leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar said, the Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help....

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Hezb-e-Islami leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar said that the Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help, reported Afghanistan's Khaama press.
Hezb-e-Islami leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar said in a Friday prayer sermon that the Afghan government was opposed to the peace process and was taking steps that would have dangerous consequences for Afghanistan.

He said India was opposed to the ongoing peace process for Pakistan and wanted to form a joint militia force with the Afghan government. He added that the Afghan government was opposed to peace and did not want the Taliban to be part of the current system.

As per Hekmatyar , efforts are underway to establish militia forces in the northern provinces of Afghanistan. He also said that the Afghan government was trying to create obstacles to peace, but said that the agreement reached between the Taliban and the United States would be implemented.

The Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help: Hekmatyar

Hezb-e-Islami leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar said, the Afghan government is building a militia force with Indian help....

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