The Absurdity of Bringing Afghan 'Collaborators' to the West!

[Meengla]

This topic needs to be brought up and brought up so that people and history should know the absurdity of bringing those Afghans to the West because they collaborated with the West. Here are my thoughts. And @DJ_Viper in the loop.
1) Firstly, I don't think anyone should blame the Afghans for collaborating with anyone--whether near or far--who would give the hapless Afghans some sustenance. France was a superpower by the start of WW 2 and still the Nazis managed to find enough for years to make the Vichy Regime.
2) Most Afghans--and perhaps 'most' is a subjective term-- would flee to anywhere outside of Afghanistan given a chance. Do note that there had been millions of Afghans living in Pakistan and Iran and there are still a million+ Afghans living in Pakistan since early 1980s despite multiple changes of govt in Afghanistan. In short, it seems like a large chunk of Afghans, regardless of who rules Afghanistan, would rather be out of Afghanistan.
3) In light of #2, why is it so surprising that Afghans would try to get on board any flight out of Afghanistan to anywhere? The West is far too enticing for the Afghans to ignore--heck, tons of Afghans don't want to leave a poor country like Pakistan for decades! Have we not seen tons of Afghans fleeing Afghanistan at great risk trying to end in Europe via Greece?? No Taliban were needed then: They were fleeing from the 'Democratically Elected' Afghanistan.
4) In light of #3: Why has been the narrative that Afghans were fleeing the Taliban taken such a firm hold? Are people so blind, unanalytical?? As one of the Taliban official said: Given similar opportunity, the airport in India's New Delhi would be swamped with people wanting to flee to the West. So WHY there has not been a counter narrative??
5) Now, coming to final point: Why should special treatment and Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) be given to those who served NATO because of financial compulsions??? I think people did what they did not because of any love for the West or any hatred for the Taliban. They did it to just to survive in the wretched country Afghanistan. And yet so much hoopla was made in the West about helping the 'collaborators'. Guys: If Lucifer himself was to give sustenance to the Afghans the Afghans would have collaborated!!

The end result is that tons of thousands of collaborators are making to the West. And they are not shining examples of 'liberalism' by a long shot. And they probably have a fair mix of very dangerous, radical elements. But who cares?? If they were not brought to the West then the stupid PR machine in the Western countries would go crazy based on political divides. An example: Both Republicans and Democrats wanted the SIV people into America. It was pure political opportunism by Republicans. But if, and reports are saying, a couple of dozens of the unvetted Afghans are dangerous, then Democrats would pay a price while Republican would reap political benefits.

We live in a screwed up world!!

 

[Khanate]

God knows how many ISIS assholes used the evacuation drama to hitch a ride to US and Europe.

How does one know who is who?

What a total nightmare.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

From the Taliban POV not bad for now they have less troublemakers to deal with...

 

[pakpride00090]

This topic needs to be brought up and brought up so that people and history should know the absurdity of bringing those Afghans to the West because they collaborated with the West. Here are my thoughts. And @DJ_Viper in the loop.
1) Firstly, I don't think anyone should blame the Afghans for collaborating with anyone--whether near or far--who would give the hapless Afghans some sustenance. France was a superpower by the start of WW 2 and still the Nazis managed to find enough for years to make the Vichy Regime.
2) Most Afghans--and perhaps 'most' is a subjective term-- would flee to anywhere outside of Afghanistan given a chance. Do note that there had been millions of Afghans living in Pakistan and Iran and there are still a million+ Afghans living in Pakistan since early 1980s despite multiple changes of govt in Afghanistan. In short, it seems like a large chunk of Afghans, regardless of who rules Afghanistan, would rather be out of Afghanistan.
3) In light of #2, why is it so surprising that Afghans would try to get on board any flight out of Afghanistan to anywhere? The West is far too enticing for the Afghans to ignore--heck, tons of Afghans don't want to leave a poor country like Pakistan for decades! Have we not seen tons of Afghans fleeing Afghanistan at great risk trying to end in Europe via Greece?? No Taliban were needed then: They were fleeing from the 'Democratically Elected' Afghanistan.
4) In light of #3: Why has been the narrative that Afghans were fleeing the Taliban taken such a firm hold? Are people so blind, unanalytical?? As one of the Taliban official said: Given similar opportunity, the airport in India's New Delhi would be swamped with people wanting to flee to the West. So WHY there has not been a counter narrative??
5) Now, coming to final point: Why should special treatment and Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) be given to those who served NATO because of financial compulsions??? I think people did what they did not because of any love for the West or any hatred for the Taliban. They did it to just to survive in the wretched country Afghanistan. And yet so much hoopla was made in the West about helping the 'collaborators'. Guys: If Lucifer himself was to give sustenance to the Afghans the Afghans would have collaborated!!

The end result is that tons of thousands of collaborators are making to the West. And they are not shining examples of 'liberalism' by a long shot. And they probably have a fair mix of very dangerous, radical elements. But who cares?? If they were not brought to the West then the stupid PR machine in the Western countries would go crazy based on political divides. An example: Both Republicans and Democrats wanted the SIV people into America. It was pure political opportunism by Republicans. But if, and reports are saying, a couple of dozens of the unvetted Afghans are dangerous, then Democrats would pay a price while Republican would reap political benefits.

We live in a screwed up world!!

Most of the people who rode to US and other western countries are not collaborators. Most don't even have special visa. They saw an opportunity in chaos and used it.
I don't know how America let these unvetted people in.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Most of Afghans are liars, they lie in the West to get status.
At the moment all the Afghan refugees in the UK are running around , even contacting their MPs to bring their whole families out of Afghanistan.
Some have already succeeded. Some are paying thousands to the Lawyers to start the procedure with Home Office.
They are applying for the parents they declared have been killed by Taliban during last 20 years.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

I think many refugees from Afghanistan to Syria are not good characters for western standard. They have become mean from decades of violent culture. Some of them probably wouldn't think twice swindling, scamming, drug selling, prostituting, or forming gangs. Which is why Trump blocked them, although he couldn't resist debasing Muslim religion [Islamophobic campaign].

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam


It may be that the US was helping the collaborators because, in this social media, it is going to be very bad for the image of the US. The US has competition now and if they'd left everyone behind and you started to see videos of collaborators getting punished, it would have given a lot of ammo to the competition.

The perception of being a superpower and a good ally is as important as actually being one.

My guess. Also it's not good for your self image if you are seen as betraying those who helped you.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

U.S bombed the airport to prevent people from coming and after blast their soldiers were shooting down into the crowds.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Have we not seen tons of Afghans fleeing Afghanistan at great risk trying to end in Europe via Greece?? No Taliban were needed then: They were fleeing from the 'Democratically Elected' Afghanistan.

Spot on.

 

[MH.Yang]

Let these people work in the West and they will mail foreign exchange to their families in Afghanistan. Then they will exchange foreign exchange and the government for Afghani.
Isn't that what India does?

 

[GHALIB]

This topic needs to be brought up and brought up so that people and history should know the absurdity of bringing those Afghans to the West because they collaborated with the West. Here are my thoughts. And @DJ_Viper in the loop.
1) Firstly, I don't think anyone should blame the Afghans for collaborating with anyone--whether near or far--who would give the hapless Afghans some sustenance. France was a superpower by the start of WW 2 and still the Nazis managed to find enough for years to make the Vichy Regime.
2) Most Afghans--and perhaps 'most' is a subjective term-- would flee to anywhere outside of Afghanistan given a chance. Do note that there had been millions of Afghans living in Pakistan and Iran and there are still a million+ Afghans living in Pakistan since early 1980s despite multiple changes of govt in Afghanistan. In short, it seems like a large chunk of Afghans, regardless of who rules Afghanistan, would rather be out of Afghanistan.
3) In light of #2, why is it so surprising that Afghans would try to get on board any flight out of Afghanistan to anywhere? The West is far too enticing for the Afghans to ignore--heck, tons of Afghans don't want to leave a poor country like Pakistan for decades! Have we not seen tons of Afghans fleeing Afghanistan at great risk trying to end in Europe via Greece?? No Taliban were needed then: They were fleeing from the 'Democratically Elected' Afghanistan.
4) In light of #3: Why has been the narrative that Afghans were fleeing the Taliban taken such a firm hold? Are people so blind, unanalytical?? As one of the Taliban official said: Given similar opportunity, the airport in India's New Delhi would be swamped with people wanting to flee to the West. So WHY there has not been a counter narrative??
5) Now, coming to final point: Why should special treatment and Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) be given to those who served NATO because of financial compulsions??? I think people did what they did not because of any love for the West or any hatred for the Taliban. They did it to just to survive in the wretched country Afghanistan. And yet so much hoopla was made in the West about helping the 'collaborators'. Guys: If Lucifer himself was to give sustenance to the Afghans the Afghans would have collaborated!!

The end result is that tons of thousands of collaborators are making to the West. And they are not shining examples of 'liberalism' by a long shot. And they probably have a fair mix of very dangerous, radical elements. But who cares?? If they were not brought to the West then the stupid PR machine in the Western countries would go crazy based on political divides. An example: Both Republicans and Democrats wanted the SIV people into America. It was pure political opportunism by Republicans. But if, and reports are saying, a couple of dozens of the unvetted Afghans are dangerous, then Democrats would pay a price while Republican would reap political benefits.

We live in a screwed up world!!

very true .

 

[Genghis khan1]

This topic needs to be brought up and brought up so that people and history should know the absurdity of bringing those Afghans to the West because they collaborated with the West. Here are my thoughts. And @DJ_Viper in the loop.
1) Firstly, I don't think anyone should blame the Afghans for collaborating with anyone--whether near or far--who would give the hapless Afghans some sustenance. France was a superpower by the start of WW 2 and still the Nazis managed to find enough for years to make the Vichy Regime.
2) Most Afghans--and perhaps 'most' is a subjective term-- would flee to anywhere outside of Afghanistan given a chance. Do note that there had been millions of Afghans living in Pakistan and Iran and there are still a million+ Afghans living in Pakistan since early 1980s despite multiple changes of govt in Afghanistan. In short, it seems like a large chunk of Afghans, regardless of who rules Afghanistan, would rather be out of Afghanistan.
3) In light of #2, why is it so surprising that Afghans would try to get on board any flight out of Afghanistan to anywhere? The West is far too enticing for the Afghans to ignore--heck, tons of Afghans don't want to leave a poor country like Pakistan for decades! Have we not seen tons of Afghans fleeing Afghanistan at great risk trying to end in Europe via Greece?? No Taliban were needed then: They were fleeing from the 'Democratically Elected' Afghanistan.
4) In light of #3: Why has been the narrative that Afghans were fleeing the Taliban taken such a firm hold? Are people so blind, unanalytical?? As one of the Taliban official said: Given similar opportunity, the airport in India's New Delhi would be swamped with people wanting to flee to the West. So WHY there has not been a counter narrative??
5) Now, coming to final point: Why should special treatment and Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) be given to those who served NATO because of financial compulsions??? I think people did what they did not because of any love for the West or any hatred for the Taliban. They did it to just to survive in the wretched country Afghanistan. And yet so much hoopla was made in the West about helping the 'collaborators'. Guys: If Lucifer himself was to give sustenance to the Afghans the Afghans would have collaborated!!

The end result is that tons of thousands of collaborators are making to the West. And they are not shining examples of 'liberalism' by a long shot. And they probably have a fair mix of very dangerous, radical elements. But who cares?? If they were not brought to the West then the stupid PR machine in the Western countries would go crazy based on political divides. An example: Both Republicans and Democrats wanted the SIV people into America. It was pure political opportunism by Republicans. But if, and reports are saying, a couple of dozens of the unvetted Afghans are dangerous, then Democrats would pay a price while Republican would reap political benefits.

We live in a screwed up world!!

No they don’t want them here but won’t admit it openly. Issue is, if US govt openly denied them visa than it will set a bad precedent and in future mission can be jeopardized.

Many of current SIVs are direct to other countries like Kosovo and any minor security problem even in their childhood is use as reason to deny entry.

 

[Titanium100]

I think many refugees from Afghanistan to Syria are not good characters for western standard. They have become mean from decades of violent culture. Some of them probably wouldn't think twice swindling, scamming, drug selling, prostituting, or forming gangs. Which is why Trump blocked them, although he couldn't resist debasing Muslim religion [Islamophobic campaign].

I was lmao Once I saw the airport I knew what they were getting but this suits better for TB they are the only winner in that scenario since The US helped them get rid of garbage.

Here is the thing the westerners haven't figured out just yet.. ''If you see a non-practicing Muslim run away from them but if you see a practicing Muslim run towards them for shelter'' But they have been doing it the opposed way and you may ask why??? because they are people who don't reason.

The non-practicing muslims across the west are one of the most vile creatures on God's earth and they commit alot of unnecessary atrocites. There is no in between for this people they are either ''GOOD'' practicing muslims upholding a code of conduct which makes their actions honorable and noble or they completely let go of that and once that happens you will find them to be the worst of humanity ''Evil'' It is two extreme cases of GOOD good and Evil evil or you can say the furthes good and furthes evil

 

[Meengla]

I can't believe the hype created in the Western media about bringing those to 'safety' who 'put their lives at risk' from the clutches of the Taliban!! As if Afghans had many options! The whole damn country is one basket case of beggary and their leadership is always looking to have someone invade and support the population and of course the leaders! Soviets were fleeced and then Americans were fleeced. At one point, I think 90% of Afghan 'economy' was dependent on American money. And when Americans left they were supporting from 40-70% Afghan economy. No wonder Afghans are upset now: The free money that employed them-- from their Presidents to their Peons is gone.
It is so obviously stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. A farce which had been so hyped up in the Western media over the last 3-4 weeks.

The West owned these collaborators nothing!! Not a damn thing. They were paid for their services and often those services involved killing other Afghans!!! While I can't blame a poor Afghan for wanting just to survive, it is the absurdity of the Western hype that is mind boggling.

Well--if really tens of thousands have fled to the West then chances are some really bad apples have also made it out of Afghanistan.

 

[Meengla]

It may be that the US was helping the collaborators because, in this social media, it is going to be very bad for the image of the US. The US has competition now and if they'd left everyone behind and you started to see videos of collaborators getting punished, it would have given a lot of ammo to the competition.

True to an extent. This was not only about the West's global image; the domestic political compulsions were/are are very strong. Republicans saw in an opportunity to attack Biden in the chaos with repeated attacks about 'leaving Americans behind' under the 'brutal Taliban rule'. Pure opportunism!
If you think Pakistani opposition politicians can be 'traitors' then you haven't seen nothing in America! Any chinks in the armor either Democrats or Republicans find in each other they would use that--regardless of where America's interests lie.
If God forbids we find a few ISIS terrorists doing terrorism in Western cities, then maybe people will realize on what stupid grounds evacuations were allowed. Only then but it would be too late then.