That's cute, Germany – China shows the world how fusion is done

[Dungeness]

That's cute, the propaganda spin on this.
No doubt a nice achievement, even a record, but it is comparing first steps of the German reactor, basically test firings to make sure everything is in order with a machine that has been in opeeration for much longer and is conducting tests of such kind on a regular basis in cooperation with international partners.

Welcome development anyway.

I am not sure how you can categorize what an American Professor wrote on UK media as "propaganda".

What German did was not exactly the "first step" either. The same Chinese reactor EAST achieved 30" sustained plasma burn in 2013. All major powers are on a race to reach controlled nuclear fusion. Any measurable progress towards that goal is significant, even it is done by the scientists in a "commie" country.

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US is far ahead but it is classified and I have read a first class Int.R on that.

Do you have any reference to this account? It sounds very un-american to withhold this type of scientific progress in the name of "classified information".

 

[Always Neutral]

Obviously I can't post it here but trust me it is far ahead and being developed as a military application. Commercial will follow later. the concerns are anything civilian controlled will end up in Chinese hands

 

[Audio]

I am not sure how you can categorize what an American Professor wrote on UK media as "propaganda".

Like paid article writers are anything new. If he isn't paid then his expertise needs to be put into question, because what he wrote cannot be constituted as anything other than gloating for nothing.

What German did was not exactly the "first step" either. The same Chinese reactor EAST achieved 30" sustained plasma burn in 2013. All major powers are on a race to reach controlled nuclear fusion. Any measurable progress towards that goal is significant, even it is done by the scientists in a "commie" country.

Noone said Germans did the first step. Stop bringing in irelevant angles. Article is just a badly written joke, without proper research.

This is all part of a big plan:

note how energy is being put into fusion, photovoltaics and electric vehicles at the same time:

1. Fusion for large scale grid-linked power. Since fusion is unlikely to result in very high efficiency at first (if it works at all) and the plants will be costly, it makes sense for fusion and fission/coal/gas/photovoltaic/wind to all coexist until the other energy sources are retired or transferred to niche applications. In addition, fusion further takes a hit to efficiency for the need to extract deuterium, thus likely limiting it for grid linked power for factories and offices (small number of high intensity users).

2. Photovoltaics for rural, mobile and aerospace power. Basically, photovoltaics are light, do not require a grid and can be made mobile and building integrated. With reduced costs, they can be a power source for off-grid and residential applications where large number of users utilize low amounts of power each.

3. Electric cars are the final step: allowing electricity to directly drive transportation and eliminate reliance on chemical fuels.

My opinion on the near future is that we will be seeing decentralization of power generation, households that generate their energy from sun, from waste etc etc....each house being a mini electric plant, connected to the grid where excesses can be sold off or deficits bought.

 

[xyxmt]

It's about time China started contributing to the word's scientific development. For a country of over 1 billion people who possess an average IQ that is the highest in the world (or 2nd highest if you include some sects of Jews) they have not really produced anything of note for hundreds of years. They'll never be a superpower by just being the world's factory.

be afraid of the day when they start inventing

 

[Schutz]

be afraid of the day when they start inventing

Nothing to be afraid of, when China finally gets rid of its communist past which it almost has then its no different than any European country or the US etc, anything they invent will be on sale all around the world, good times. And thankfully they are heathens like us so they can focus on the good things, like space travel and amazing new inventions, progress.

 

[Dungeness]

Nothing to be afraid of, when China finally gets rid of its communist past which it almost has then its no different than any European country or the US etc, anything they invent will be on sale all around the world, good times. And thankfully they are heathens like us so they can focus on the good things, like space travel and amazing new inventions, progress.

Communist or not, invention and progress are for the whole humanity. We are the beneficiary of past communist or even Nazi inventions. There is no need to bring this topic into the discussion of science.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

be afraid of the day when they start inventing

Have been inventing all along. What China needs is better MARKETING so people know about our inventions. That's why some countries that have very little actual innovation going on, make people think they're super innovative and advanced.

 

[gambit]

Communist or not, invention and progress are for the whole humanity. We are the beneficiary of past communist or even Nazi inventions. There is no need to bring this topic into the discussion of science.

Of course ideology matters. It mattered then and it will ALWAYS mattered.

Why the simple microwave oven COULD NOT have come from communist countries ?

Was the knowledge of microwave radiation unknown to Soviet and Chinese scientists ?

Was electronics engineering unknown to Soviet and Chinese technologists ?

If the Soviets and the Chinese can build radars and rockets, they certainly they know of the behaviors of microwave radiation and how to engineer resistors and capacitors.

So why the simple microwave oven COULD NOT have come from communist countries ? Not 'did not', but COULD NOT.

Throughout the existence of communist Russia/Soviet and China, neither countries benefited mankind of their technology knowledge. Everything was considered a possible threat to the state, must be secreted away, and carefully doled out. Even the technology to make better toilet paper was controlled. Since the end of WW II, just about every life changing technology came from the non-communist countries.

So even though China may be a contributor to science today, do not try to hide China's non-contributor past behind simple platitudes.

 

[Dungeness]

Of course ideology matters. It mattered then and it will ALWAYS mattered.

Why the simple microwave oven COULD NOT have come from communist countries ?

Was the knowledge of microwave radiation unknown to Soviet and Chinese scientists ?

Was electronics engineering unknown to Soviet and Chinese technologists ?

If the Soviets and the Chinese can build radars and rockets, they certainly they know of the behaviors of microwave radiation and how to engineer resistors and capacitors.

So why the simple microwave oven COULD NOT have come from communist countries ? Not 'did not', but COULD NOT.

Throughout the existence of communist Russia/Soviet and China, neither countries benefited mankind of their technology knowledge. Everything was considered a possible threat to the state, must be secreted away, and carefully doled out. Even the technology to make better toilet paper was controlled. Since the end of WW II, just about every life changing technology came from the non-communist countries.

So even though China may be a contributor to science today, do not try to hide China's non-contributor past behind simple platitudes.

You are like from cold war era, and full of ideology bs. This is a thread discussing science breakthroughs, so stop listing which camp invented what here. Thanks.

 

[gambit]

You are like from cold war era, and full of ideology bs.

The Cold War never ended, son.

This is a thread discussing science breakthroughs, so stop listing which camp invented what here. Thanks.

No, it is not. This thread is about China one-upping Germany, as if such have been a continuing thing. As far as being a contributor to science goes, your China is a late comer and that cause was communism.

 

[Dungeness]

The Cold War never ended, son.


No, it is not. This thread is about China one-upping Germany, as if such have been a continuing thing. As far as being a contributor to science goes, your China is a late comer and that cause was communism.

Sure it was never ended in the mind of cold war old guards. You may want to check who the author of the article is, if you have the problem of the title.

China is late to contribute to science in recent history, but China is never absent. Even in their communist heydays, they had some world class achievements to show off. The same can't be said about your home country, even it was a "Democracy".

 

[MarkusS]

I see fusion as the only opetion we have in future. We must invest in this kind of technology or we will be stuck.

 

[EastSea]

China can learn from German.

 

[Globenim]

China can learn from German.

You could learn something from China.

Less belittling talk and tantrums. More action that delivers results.

 

[EastSea]

You could learn something from China.

Less belittling talk and tantrums. More action that delivers results.

better, directly from German.