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[r3alist]

R3alist


you want to insist that you pose both questions and insist that answers meet your approval - it's not novel but it's plain silly. I'm sorry, Talib are Islamist insurgents, and not "more pashtun" - what the heck does that say about the majority of Pashtun who are not Talib??? I'm patient with you, more than you imagine, I try to give as much space as you require because I sense you are frustrated about something, but I do want you to least "think" - you imagine that you are some some "side of your own" and perhaps you are, but please think

You also want to deal with "guilt by association" - now, I really don't know what you are thinking - associating with enemies of Pakistan qualifies people as enemies of Pakistan - what's so difficult to understand about this??

You wish to insist that the "Pakistan army and airforce bomb people to shreds" - again, you are not thinking and ascribing the worst of motivations to the patriotic armed forces - we target Talib and Al-qaeeida leadership, and we support the drone attacks because it does the same, once we have confidence that we have softenbed them up, we will then move in to kill the talib and Al-qaeeda rank and file, their enablers and their helpers -- what's so difficult or objectionable about that??

muse, i insist you read my point fully and properly and i insist you justify your reasoning, something other than "ISLAMIST", "MUSLIM", or "ISLAMIC" would be a refreshing change


some facts are nice aswell.

and talking of facts you say taliban are definitely more islamist than pashtun? - wow - thats quite something, you are more cia than the cia since you disagree with the former cia afghan chief who says the taliban have a pashtun flavouring/element - BUT NEVER MIND MUSE HAS SPOKEN THE TRUTH, NO FACTS NEEDED - come on, lets be serious and factual.

we have plenty of knowledge about the taliban and their make up, but hey ho, on planet muse everyone is an islamist and everyone needs to be bombed to be cured, says our pak patriot.

You also want to deal with "guilt by association" - now, I really don't know what you are thinking - associating with enemies of Pakistan qualifies people as enemies of Pakistan - what's so difficult to understand about this??

its quite incredible just how gung ho you are about killing pakistanis

you mean to say that suppose there is a family who have no choice but to provide shelter for taliban types then deserved to be killed because of that?

or the sister and wife of a taliban fighter also deserved to be killed?

can i ask why?

the funny thing about you is that you will go mental about the human rights of OTHERS which is no bad thing but have no regard for pakistani's, if you believe in human rights then you believe in human rights, so why are these people suddenly exempt?


you need to understand something, i actually agree with alot of what you say, yet your reasoning and propensity to ascribe eveything to some islamist slant is ridiculous, dangerous and wrong, there is sometimes a shade of grey between black and white.

am sorry but the taliban never have completely been islamist as long as pashtuns have been a part of their makeup, FACT.

you kill one pashtun then you make many more enemies, FACT.


stop with the rampant accusations of islamism, it has its place but its not always the whole issue, capiche?

 

[pakdefender]

"because they were never a problem before..."

That's changed, hasn't it?

Your state policies of proxy armies were your problem. YOU saw value in these men following the Soviet-Afghan war to perpetuate your political vision of Afghanistan and to maintain active resistance inside Indian Kashmir.

So you protected them following 9/11.

YOU chose to ride the tiger. This is of your own doing and nobody is accountable for radicalizing the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan but yourselves.

You could always choose to surrender. That's an option. Maybe cut a deal (you know about deals, right?) and bring the taliban into your leadership.

Let me know when your army/police spill a DROP of their blood assisting ANYBODY but yourselves.

Until then, deal with it or surrender.

More than anyoen else it was America that saw value in people like these ( and continues to do so ):



Give up your stratergy of 'forcing your options' on Pakistan through these patsies. There is enough proof to go by that you are still supporting some of these groups to keep Pakistan engaged.

I say NO thanks to the USA , they are resposible for the whole mess in the first place

 

[muse]

R3alist

You want to be refreshed, may I suggest a glass of cold water and I note with amusement, that your "I insist" mode is dificult for you to shed.

you need to understand something, i actually agree with alot of what you say, yet your reasoning and propensity to ascribe eveything to some islamist slant is ridiculous, dangerous and wrong, there is sometimes a shade of grey between black and white.

OK, I can live with that.

Human rights? Interesting that you ask no such thing from the Talib or Al-Qaeeda?? Yeah, sure we will secure the human rights of the Talib and Al-Qaeeda, watch and see - what about the human rights of their sisters and mothers, yeah sure, we have been active and everyone knows we are coming and the innocent are leaving, the human shields will be unable to, but you will have to apply to the Talib and Al-Qaeeda to seek their release - you know we are coming and we will come as the hand of God and cleanse Waziristan from the Talib and Al-Qaaeda - whether you insist or not, whether youlike it or not

 

[r3alist]

Human rights? Interesting that you ask no such thing from the Talib or Al-Qaeeda?? Yeah, sure we will secure the human rights of the Talib and Al-Qaeeda, watch and see - what about the human rights of their sisters and mothers, yeah sure, we have been active and everyone knows we are coming and the innocent are leaving, the human shields will be unable to, but you will have to apply to the Talib and Al-Qaeeda to seek their release - you know we are coming and we will come as the hand of God and cleanse Waziristan from the Talib and Al-Qaaeda - whether you insist or not, whether youlike it or not

what does this even mean, am not sure, coherent sentences please.

also stop using the term "human shield", its not appropriate or applicable in a real sense, you are confused with your terminology.

i agree the taliban need to be dealt with, but am sorry i dont share your fetish of killing as many people as possible,

as the former cia head in afghanistan said, the pashtuns see the taliban as representing their people thus this is why some of them side with them, we need to convince them that thats the wrong choice, its not just about bombs, you have to be careful with pashtuns in particular, revenge and honour is paramount to them.

if high value targets can be gotten then sure go for it, if you end up getting innocents you create more enemies, FACT.

you create more problems for pakistan, FACT.

 

[pakdefender]

what does this even mean, am not sure, coherent sentences please.

also stop using the term "human shield", its not appropriate or applicable in a real sense, you are confused with your terminology.

i agree the taliban need to be dealt with, but am sorry i dont share your fetish of killing as many people as possible,

as the former cia head in afghanistan said, the pashtuns see the taliban as representing their people thus this is why some of them side with them, we need to convince them that thats the wrong choice, its not just about bombs, you have to be careful with pashtuns in particular, revenge and honour is paramount to them.

if high value targets can be gotten then sure go for it, if you end up getting innocents you create more enemies, FACT.

you create more problems for pakistan, FACT.

This sentence sums up america's goal in the region.

 

[muse]

i agree the taliban need to be dealt with, but am sorry i dont share your fetish of killing as many people as possible

Look we did not kill every Talib in Swat and we do not want to kill anybody, the solution is for the Talib to surrender, isn't it?? You know that Al-qaeeda with it's "international" will not surrender with out a fight, right? and you know we have every intention of prevailing, or would you rather that we use rubber bullets and such??

Any way you look at this and any way in which you may hope to spin this, the bottom line is that every inch of Pakistan belongs to us and not Talib or Al-Qaeeda or their Saudi and Gulf backers - that's just the way it will be. Surrender or die.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Any help from any where is welcome to get ride of mad extremists from Pakistan so thanks US but please give Pakistan this weapon too even India has said no to it.

India voices concerns over US drone sale to Pak

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=85184

 

[TruthSeeker]

as the former cia head in afghanistan said, the pashtuns see the taliban as representing their people thus this is why some of them side with them, we need to convince them that thats the wrong choice, its not just about bombs, you have to be careful with pashtuns in particular, revenge and honour is paramount to them.

r3alist,
it sounds like your defense of the terrorists is rooted in fear of Pashtunwali. However, the history of mankind shows that one cannot appease practitioners of Pashtunwalli. You have to defeat them and make them fear your code of honor/revenge more than they revere their own. So, the drone strikes are part of our Amerikunwali. We will keep sending them to the terrorists until they understand that we, too, have a code of honor and revenge. We are not yet satisfied that 9/11 has been revenged. Why don't you tell your Pashtun buddies not to mess with Amerikunwali? We may not live in the same mountains as they do but we have a long reach.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Any help from any where is welcome to get ride of mad extremists from Pakistan so thanks US but please give Pakistan this weapon too even India has said no to it.

India voices concerns over US drone sale to Pak

India voices concerns over US drone sale to Pak

 

[muse]

TS


Don't take such stuff so seriously, the same so called "bad As*" Talib with their "Zayver" (jewelry AKA weapons) were squealing like little girls rushing to surrender -- Ok so they bad AS*** the Paak Fauj is no bunch of slouches either. R3alist is not a Talib defender he just wishes we didnot have to deal with any of this, but that's not reality, we did not start this but we wil finish it - Surrender or Die.

 

[TruthSeeker]

TS
Don't take such stuff so seriously

Gee, muse, I'm disappointed. I thought you would see the humor in my exposition of "Amerikunwali".

 

[muse]

They are just frustrated because they find themselves in a position they wished they did not have to face - but Talib and AL-qaeeda forced this on.

If you see it from the point of view they are coming from, nationalistic, some ethnocentric, in a way you can feel their dissonance -- but reality is cruel and the Talib and Al-Qaeeda even more cruel, if any doubts the video of them beheading simple Gendarme (FC/Khasadar) and soldiers, or the suicide bombing of Pakistani cites --- Yeah, what can I tell you, we have some accounts to settle, Pakistanwali trumps all others.

 

[BATMAN]

Does any one here know the objective of TTP?
What are the upto? What channels they receive their funds? What channeles they receive US and Indian wepons? What chanels they receive explosives used to bomb 5 star hotels?
Why do we forget that indian embassis in Afghanistan use to give 2000 USD to any poor person who would kill one foreigner in Pakistan? No to mention that this was not objected by US. All this foreigner killing started from Chinese and many Chinese were killed in Balauchistan by Bugtis and Mengals.

We all know that Taliban govt. of Afghanistan were at war with warlords alliance and indian army, which occupied the north corner of Afghanistan and now occupy the Afghan parliament e.g. Abdulla Abdulla, general Dostam etc....
Indians state and its people want to nuke Pakistan at very first opportunity which reflect the mind set of an average indian, why should they not offer them self to US to hurt Pakistan as and when required.
US is on course to reward indians for helping pushing Pakistan into a war which is making many corporations rich and not ot mention billions of dollars are being earned by indains companies in reconstruction activities, heroin and organ trade.

 

[muse]

Yes, yes, all very interesting and the board is full of these propaganda - it's just too late for that, we are going in and we will clean house, regardless of where you say they get their money or their weapons from -- yes, yes, Talib good, sorry confused, sorry I meant Amriki dogs, got it, they are deadmen whosever dogs they are.

 

[BATMAN]

I say NO thanks to the USA , they are resposible for the whole mess in the first place

They openly furnish any terorist operating in Pakistan with US made wepons and other military gear and explosives.
US provide safe sanctuaries to terrorist wanted by Pakistan, in Kabul.
TTP may kill few hundred but indians want to abolish Pakistanis even at the cost of few million indina punjabis and US is giving them operational nuclear bomb.
Why Pakistan has not been nuked so far i sfor simple reason that todate indians did not have an operational bomb and there test in Pokhran was a failure despite being the biggest benificiary of AQKhan's proliferation.
Its just matter of time, i expect US nukes to be in indian hands in maximum two years time and than :..................bang.