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Thank you China, Vietnam is about to get her first metro in Hanoi

ha ha why? because we refused to give the south china sea to you?


bro the project management lies in the hand of a chinese company, all major works including delivery of trains and laying tracks are carried out by chinese companies as well. ok site clearance is a hinderance but should not increase the cost twice. the main reason for delays are cost overun hence there are more mony needed that should be provided by chinese banks. however Export-Import Bank of China (Eximbank) delayed payment until recently. now everything is cleared we can expect the operations by next September.

I bet we will carry out next urban rails and subways by ourselves once have learned and mastered the technolgy. cheaper and faster.

Yes, the best is that we do all by ourselves. However, it is not feasible for the time being.
All major construction works are actually done by Vietnamese subcontractors.
The delay of payment by the Chinese, due to political, or whatever reason, is not to be discussed here.
Only 30% of 12.5 km Hanoi Line 3 is underground. The cost overrun is already substantial.

The final cost will be way above USD 1.7 billion.

The French promised to deliver on 2015 initially. Estimated the job is around 40% complete. Now French are saying delivered by 2021. 2025 is more reasonable.

I do not know where you got this 2015, but this line first ground breaking ceremony was held in 2005. Then in 2010, the second ground breaking ceremony was held again.

In the meantime, Cat Linh - Ha Dong line by the Chinese started in around 2008, but had no ground breaking ceremony and almost no one in Hanoi know about this project until it taking shape (the part near Hoang Cau lake).

That show how different the Chinese work. Silently, but efficiently. I respect them for that.
 
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Yes, the best is that we do all by ourselves. However, it is not feasible for the time being.
All major construction works are actually done by Vietnamese subcontractors.
The delay of payment by the Chinese, due to political, or whatever reason, is not to be discussed here.


I do not know where you got this 2015, but this line first ground breaking ceremony was held in 2005. Then in 2010, the second ground breaking ceremony was held again.

In the meantime, Cat Linh - Ha Dong line by the Chinese started in around 2008, but had no ground breaking ceremony and almost no one in Hanoi know about this project until it taking shape (the part near Hoang Cau lake).

That show how different the Chinese work. Silently, but efficiently. I respect them for that.

You guys probably knows more about the exact date of commencement and delivery.

I got it from a few sources, Chinese, Vietnam and English. There are lots of contradicting data points.

Some said Chinese start work at 2011 or 2010. Probably the project survey started in 2008 and civil engineering started at 2011. Anyway I am not that sure.

It depends on how these media interpret events.

They are never rigorous. But in general, we know French got in first, followed by Japanese. The Chinese started last, and delivered first.
 
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Hanoi Line 2A and Chinese at work.


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hier more pics including test run. VN has issued an ultimatum to the chinese contractor to meet the deadline by 2018.
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Chinese cant help but mention India in every thread. I feel the love :smitten:
I think he cannot help but be reminded in this instance how Supa Powa promised to help Mongolia with talking and mouth mouth when Mongolia was under China economic sanctions 1 year ago.
So maybe India can help Vietnam out with something like Supa Powa Brahmos Supersonic Train ?
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We will never give you anything free, you know the reason.
It's business. No such thing as a free lunch.

I think he cannot help but be reminded in this instance how Supa Powa promised to help Mongolia with talking and mouth mouth when Mongolia was under China economic sanctions 1 year ago.
So maybe India can help Vietnam out with something like Supa Powa Brahmos Supersonic Train ?
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I heard those Indian trains can go really fast.
 
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Jack Ma Yun's SCMP and his HK race traitors are the worst liars who denigrate China's Hanoi metro without any basis. Even VN PDF forumers are giving China more credit.

Below is SCMP comment about China built Hanoi Metro Line 2A, which as as good as the most odious mental feces.

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http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/busin...o-metros-one-built-japanese-and-other-chinese


For the first time in their histories, Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi are both in the middle of desperately needed major metro-system projects that aim to transform their cities. Both are facing delays, but a series of high-profile accidents has already cast a larger shadow over the Chinese-led effort in the capital.

In contrast, the metro project led by Japanese conglomerates in Ho Chi Minh City has been accident-free. This feeds into longstanding assumptions in Vietnam about the perceived superiority of Japanese workmanship and engineering.

The first line of Ho Chi Minh City’s metro system, the Ben Thanh-Suoi Tien line, will cover 19.7km, mostly above ground, and connect the city centre with eastern districts. It is expected to begin operation in 2020, two years later than originally planned.

The line in Ho Chi Minh City is largely backed by funding and expertise from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (Jica), as well as Sumitomo Corporation and Shimizu-Maeda, two huge Japanese conglomerates. French, Italian and Korean companies are also involved in the project.

The inaugural Hanoi line, on the other hand, relies on major support from a consortium of Chinese companies headed by the China Railways Sixth Group. The construction processes pursued by these different investors has led to very different outcomes.

Hanoi’s controversial line
The first metro line in Hanoi, which broke ground in October 2011 and is somewhat confusingly called Line 2A, has suffered far more than just missed deadlines. A series of accidents has damaged its public image.

On November 6, 2014, several reels of steel fell from the construction site of a flyover on the line, killing a motorbike driver and injuring two more passers-by. The following month, a 10-metre-high section of scaffolding fell from the same flyover, trapping three people in a taxi that was travelling beneath it.

In 2015, the line drew criticism when people noticed that the track, which runs above major thoroughfares and intersections, looked wavy, raising concerns over its safety. That August a steel bar fell from another construction site onto a car, nearly killing the driver.

This May, a government inspection team detected rust on sections of the train track that hadn’t been covered in protective paint. A number of loose joints were found as well.

Vietnam’s Ministry of Transport has responded swiftly to these incidents by calling for improved safety measures, and while there hasn’t been an accident in roughly two years, the project’s reputation is poor.

Ho Chi Minh City’s safe, slow-moving first line
Down south, Jica has been involved in Ho Chi Minh City’s Line 1 since 2006, when the organisation conducted a feasibility study for the project. Takahashi Akito, a senior representative with Jica Vietnam, said they are now monitoring the construction process and environmental and social issues, in addition to resolving bottlenecks in order to ensure smooth implementation.

This isn’t always easy, Akito says. “Due to delays in site handover from the Vietnamese government, the construction schedule has been affected.”

Work was expected to be finished in early 2018, but that date has been pushed back to November 2020, while the cost has ballooned from an initial estimate of US$1.4 billion to nearly US$2.5 billion. The bulk of the work is being carried out by Vietnamese companies.

Musil, the French researcher, explains that there is good reason for these delays and cost overruns. “When we are speaking about metro systems, it’s new,” he says. “They [Vietnamese organisations] don’t know how to do it … they have to build the institutional framework, and that’s why they are hesitating.” He compares the situation to Shanghai, which took several years to build its first 13km of track in the 1990s, only to go on to build one of the world’s largest metro systems.

While both of the metro lines are behind schedule and over budget, there is a clear difference in their safety records. Ho Chi Minh City’s Line 1 hasn’t suffered any reported accidents, and in a country where infrastructure projects are almost always delayed, there appears to be more forgiveness for its late arrival.

Two very different lines
The string of accidents in Hanoi from 2014 to 2015 has, in the eyes of some, hurt the image of the city’s vital first metro line. “The line in Ho Chi Minh City is much better perceived,” Michael Waibel, an expert at the University of Hamburg’s Department of Human Geography who has published a series of photo books on Vietnam’s major cities, said. “Apparently, there is a higher trust in Japanese technology.”

He shared the story of a scholarship holder from Vietnam’s National Ministry of Science & Technology who bemoaned the towering height of the capital’s line, which is out of sync with the city’s low-slung traditional housing. The visibly uneven track mentioned above is also a concern. “She said she would be afraid to use this system,” Waibel explains.

Dr Vu Anh Tuan, a transport planner and lecturer at the University of Transport and Communication of Hanoi, argued that there continues to be major structural problems on Hanoi’s Line 2A.

“In Ho Chi Minh City there is technical assistance for the improvement of accessibility to MRT stations,” he said. The Asian Development Bank provides expertise in this area for the city’s entire network. “They emphasise accessibility for pedestrians to the stations and have made amendments to station design to make them better for pedestrians.”

In Hanoi, on the other hand, no similar work is being done. “For Line 2A, it’s very hard to access and approach the platforms from the ground level,” Vu said. “If we look outside the stations, it’s very difficult to walk from the station to the destination. That is a problem.”
 
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Jack Ma Yun's SCMP and his HK race traitors are the worst liars who denigrate China's Hanoi metro without any basis. Even VN PDF forumers are giving China more credit.
Below is SCMP comment about China built Hanoi Metro Line 2A, which as as good as the most odious mental feces.

Jack-Ma.jpg


http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/busin...o-metros-one-built-japanese-and-other-chinese


For the first time in their histories, Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi are both in the middle of desperately needed major metro-system projects that aim to transform their cities. Both are facing delays, but a series of high-profile accidents has already cast a larger shadow over the Chinese-led effort in the capital.

In contrast, the metro project led by Japanese conglomerates in Ho Chi Minh City has been accident-free. This feeds into longstanding assumptions in Vietnam about the perceived superiority of Japanese workmanship and engineering.

The first line of Ho Chi Minh City’s metro system, the Ben Thanh-Suoi Tien line, will cover 19.7km, mostly above ground, and connect the city centre with eastern districts. It is expected to begin operation in 2020, two years later than originally planned.

The line in Ho Chi Minh City is largely backed by funding and expertise from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (Jica), as well as Sumitomo Corporation and Shimizu-Maeda, two huge Japanese conglomerates. French, Italian and Korean companies are also involved in the project.

The inaugural Hanoi line, on the other hand, relies on major support from a consortium of Chinese companies headed by the China Railways Sixth Group. The construction processes pursued by these different investors has led to very different outcomes.

Hanoi’s controversial line
The first metro line in Hanoi, which broke ground in October 2011 and is somewhat confusingly called Line 2A, has suffered far more than just missed deadlines. A series of accidents has damaged its public image.

On November 6, 2014, several reels of steel fell from the construction site of a flyover on the line, killing a motorbike driver and injuring two more passers-by. The following month, a 10-metre-high section of scaffolding fell from the same flyover, trapping three people in a taxi that was travelling beneath it.

In 2015, the line drew criticism when people noticed that the track, which runs above major thoroughfares and intersections, looked wavy, raising concerns over its safety. That August a steel bar fell from another construction site onto a car, nearly killing the driver.

This May, a government inspection team detected rust on sections of the train track that hadn’t been covered in protective paint. A number of loose joints were found as well.

Vietnam’s Ministry of Transport has responded swiftly to these incidents by calling for improved safety measures, and while there hasn’t been an accident in roughly two years, the project’s reputation is poor.

Ho Chi Minh City’s safe, slow-moving first line
Down south, Jica has been involved in Ho Chi Minh City’s Line 1 since 2006, when the organisation conducted a feasibility study for the project. Takahashi Akito, a senior representative with Jica Vietnam, said they are now monitoring the construction process and environmental and social issues, in addition to resolving bottlenecks in order to ensure smooth implementation.

This isn’t always easy, Akito says. “Due to delays in site handover from the Vietnamese government, the construction schedule has been affected.”

Work was expected to be finished in early 2018, but that date has been pushed back to November 2020, while the cost has ballooned from an initial estimate of US$1.4 billion to nearly US$2.5 billion. The bulk of the work is being carried out by Vietnamese companies.

Musil, the French researcher, explains that there is good reason for these delays and cost overruns. “When we are speaking about metro systems, it’s new,” he says. “They [Vietnamese organisations] don’t know how to do it … they have to build the institutional framework, and that’s why they are hesitating.” He compares the situation to Shanghai, which took several years to build its first 13km of track in the 1990s, only to go on to build one of the world’s largest metro systems.

While both of the metro lines are behind schedule and over budget, there is a clear difference in their safety records. Ho Chi Minh City’s Line 1 hasn’t suffered any reported accidents, and in a country where infrastructure projects are almost always delayed, there appears to be more forgiveness for its late arrival.

Two very different lines
The string of accidents in Hanoi from 2014 to 2015 has, in the eyes of some, hurt the image of the city’s vital first metro line. “The line in Ho Chi Minh City is much better perceived,” Michael Waibel, an expert at the University of Hamburg’s Department of Human Geography who has published a series of photo books on Vietnam’s major cities, said. “Apparently, there is a higher trust in Japanese technology.”

He shared the story of a scholarship holder from Vietnam’s National Ministry of Science & Technology who bemoaned the towering height of the capital’s line, which is out of sync with the city’s low-slung traditional housing. The visibly uneven track mentioned above is also a concern. “She said she would be afraid to use this system,” Waibel explains.

Dr Vu Anh Tuan, a transport planner and lecturer at the University of Transport and Communication of Hanoi, argued that there continues to be major structural problems on Hanoi’s Line 2A.

“In Ho Chi Minh City there is technical assistance for the improvement of accessibility to MRT stations,” he said. The Asian Development Bank provides expertise in this area for the city’s entire network. “They emphasise accessibility for pedestrians to the stations and have made amendments to station design to make them better for pedestrians.”

In Hanoi, on the other hand, no similar work is being done. “For Line 2A, it’s very hard to access and approach the platforms from the ground level,” Vu said. “If we look outside the stations, it’s very difficult to walk from the station to the destination. That is a problem.”
Why you have such a large picture of Jack Ma instead of the China bashing American author of the article Michael Tatarski.

Takada airbags are the safest in the world, that is if you don't use them and if we don't count those that die from self exploding airbags not involved in vehicle accidents.
Japanese quality is also the best, that is according to fake quality certificates.
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-10-11/japan-s-quality-control-is-out-of-control
Japan's Quality Control Is Out of Control

Seeing the bonhomie between Vietnam with the US, Japan and France, it seems they like you more if you kill more of them. No ?
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Latest Update, today

China has just given money to Vietnam so that Metro Line 2A come online on time.

Its time Vietnamese say thank you thank you China.

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/bu...o-come-into-commercial-operation-in-2018.html

Cat Linh-Hadong metro line to come into commercial operation in 2018
The Cat Linh-Hadong Metro Line, Hanoi's first urban railway project, will have to begin commercial operation this year thanks to the disbursement of an additional loan of $250.6 million from Export-Import Bank of China (China Eximbank).

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Yes, the best is that we do all by ourselves. However, it is not feasible for the time being.
All major construction works are actually done by Vietnamese subcontractors.
The delay of payment by the Chinese, due to political, or whatever reason, is not to be discussed here.


I do not know where you got this 2015, but this line first ground breaking ceremony was held in 2005. Then in 2010, the second ground breaking ceremony was held again.

In the meantime, Cat Linh - Ha Dong line by the Chinese started in around 2008, but had no ground breaking ceremony and almost no one in Hanoi know about this project until it taking shape (the part near Hoang Cau lake).

That show how different the Chinese work. Silently, but efficiently. I respect them for that.
I love this way you boasted about Chinese project in VN, actually, two projects from China and Japan in VN had many troubles which can be discussed more, If I dont get mistakes, this project from China in VN had five times they said about the inauguration, but now they are working
 
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I love this way you boasted about Chinese project in VN, actually, two projects from China and Japan in VN had many troubles which can be discussed more, If I dont get mistakes, this project from China in VN had five times they said about the inauguration, but now they are working

No one is better than China for delivering mega infrastructure, on time on budget, at lowest cost in the world.

This is a fact.

It is misleading-- or just downright mis-informing, if you compare China with Japan or someone else, simply by saying the projects have "many troubles".
 
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No one is better than China for delivering mega infrastructure, on time on budget, at lowest cost in the world.

This is a fact.

It is misleading-- or just downright mis-informing, if you compare China with Japan or someone else, simply by saying the projects have "many troubles".
Well, I dont underestimate the Chinese ability for this project like that, but you forget one word in my sentence, I said about this project in Vietnam, not in China or else.
 
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