Thailand Blasts Kills 8

[Tshering22]

lemme gues...Al qaeda?
and dont forget....the bomber was trained in pakistan?

Well it was some Islamic group. Now usually the Thai Islamic groups are located in the southern tail of Thailand. But it cannot be ruled out that they might have received support from your uncontrolled borders.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Well it was some Islamic group. Now usually the Thai Islamic groups are located in the southern tail of Thailand. But it cannot be ruled out that they might have received support from your uncontrolled borders.

There are possible supporters in that region, the Moro separatists in Philippines.

 

[Developereo]

The omnipotent,omnipresent Zionist media.......Some people are literate, yet uneducated.

Your ignorance or denial will not change reality. I don't want to post it here, but I urge you to google around to find the list of dominant media houses, their ownership, and powerful executives within those organizations. It will be quite revealing!

No when they demand their rights in a peaceful,democratic manner they are not terrorists. But when they take up guns and go on a happy blasting trip killing all in their wake, then they are terrorists..their "cause" be damned.

Almost every "freedom struggle" has used militancy at some point in time. Your own friends, the Israelis, introduced terrorism to Palestine back in the early 20th century.

Case in point, Balochistan.

Yes, "incredible" Indians can't string together two sentences without bringing Baluchistan. If you could afford to be intellectually honest, you would realize that most Pakistanis support the concerns of the Baluchi protesters and urge the government to address those concerns.

Every nation consists of some land someone annexed hundreds of years before. So why not let everyone go on a blasting trip ?

Meaningless generalization to hide ignorance of history in this context.

How are anti-nuclear protests relevant here..?

Because you made a sarcastic comment about "foreign backed" protesters, yet Indians were singing the exact same tune about the anti-nuclear protesters in their country.

Why being Muslims they can't co-exist with the Thais ? Is it haram ?

Repeating the standard narrative, as I indicated. This is the expected response when people lack historical context.

Quit whining and for a change try to take control of the global media...if the "Zionists" in their 10 millions can do it..why not 1.6 billion Muslims with their unlimited resources through oil ?

Easier said than done.

Even the Indians, the Japanese and the Chinese have not managed to make a dent in the dominant Western media's rule of the global airwaves. This empire has been built over decades and is the most vigorously defended crown jewel of Western dominance.

 

[ManilaBoy45]

There are supporters in that region, the Moro separatists in Philippines.

Any proofs or links to confirm your statement above , otherwise refrain from making one unless you have credible evidence ...

 

[53fd]

That's a facile cop-out. The Malay Muslims have had no choice in the matter. They did not "let" other countries interfere. Their lands were conquered by Siamese and British invaders and they are now living the legacy. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, these Malays were never part of the treaties that decided their fate.

However, all that is the past, so let's advance to the present. It's easy for us, living far away in comfortable surroundings, to pass judgement and say they should behave such and such. But when your sons and brothers get whisked away in the middle of the night, when your language and culture are under attack by brutal authorities, and when poverty and education levels in your community are out of sync with the national average because of institutionalized discrimination, then things are not so simple.

These people have tried for decades to get their concerns addressed, but the Thai government's response (other than cosmetic bandages) has been to play hardball. The authorities are encouraged by the global media's predictable spin, which portrays the Muslims as troublemakers who can't assimilate. Never mind the fact that they have been native to the land for centuries.

I agree with your post, I respect your point-of-view. I live in interior Sindh currently, not lavishly. In the current climate of the recent strikes & protests in Hyderabad, most people have a tendency to blame the other party, & present some kind of justification for what they stand for. I don't know if it's just me, but I have always believed in making compromises, to look at the future than the past, for taking responsibility rather than blaming others for my inadequacies, to be part of the solution than the problem. It's very easy to jump on the bandwagon & be part of the problem, rather than being part of the solution. If two sides in a community are fighting ferociously, unless one of them becomes the "bigger man" & brings an end to the fighting, the fighting will go on. The Muslims must be the "bigger men", & as they are already getting defeated by arms, the media & world perception; they have an added incentive to bring the fighting to an end, if they wish to live respectfully in the world today. The world is brutal, & the proclaimed "champions of freedom" are the biggest perpetrators of violence & injustice throughout the world. The Muslim world in general needs to undergo a reformation, rather than trying to bring a revolution to the world.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Any proofs or links to confirm your statement above , otherwise refrain from making one unless you have credible evidence ...

Apologies! i have edited, i couldn't find a credible link. I did recalling reading it somewhere.

 

[Tshering22]

Your ignorance or denial will not change reality. I don't want to post it here, but I urge you to google around to find the list of dominant media houses, their ownership, and powerful executives within those organizations. It will be quite revealing!

So are you telling me that the blasts are a lie? It is all there for people to see. Listen, your Jew-obsession is going to really get you into trouble someday when your military impulsively acts against them. The truth is that there's more to Thailand's Jihad
against the common Thais than your feared "zionists".

Almost every "freedom struggle" has used militancy at some point in time. Your own friends, the Israelis, introduced terrorism to Palestine back in the early 20th century.

There's no freedom struggle. Most of Thailand's Jihadists are converted radicals who take vindictive pleasure attacking innocent Thai civilians. Courtesy the Dawah that has spread so much thanks to your friend Saudi Arabia's extremist ideology. Innocent Thais are paying the price of not having adopted Bhutan-like stringent measures.

There's nothing about Israel here other than your hatred because they don't like to take Jihad's nonsense and give it back with equal ferocity. Israel is an inspiration to all those countries that are suffering from Jihad.

Yes, "incredible" Indians can't string together two sentences without bringing Baluchistan. If you could afford to be intellectually honest, you would realize that most Pakistanis support the concerns of the Baluchi protesters and urge the government to address those concerns.

And you cannot resist bringing your Jew-hatred even in something as remote as a Jihad attack in Thailand. Talk about disconnect.

Meaningless generalization to hide ignorance of history in this context.

Thailand's history stretches back more than the Islamists were ever there, mate. If you go by history, it is technically not even supposed to be there in this region, let alone cause Jihad.

Because you made a sarcastic comment about "foreign backed" protesters, yet Indians were singing the exact same tune about the anti-nuclear protesters in their country.

Foreign-backing is there no doubt. But you'd like to know that most Islamists of Thailand are radicalized by Saudi indoctrination. The same problem is faced with Filipinos as well who have to fight against Jihadi terrorism as much as the Thais.

Repeating the standard narrative, as I indicated. This is the expected response when people lack historical context.

It is a fact that you will deny religiously. Muslim community has problem in every non-Islamic country it stays. Name me one non-Muslim country that doesn't have any community problem with the Islamic community. Here's the list:

- Russia
- India
- Germany
- France
- Thailand
- Philippines
- UK
- USA
- Israel
- Norway
-Sweden
-Denmark
-Netherlands
-Spain
-Australia
-Canada
-China

Other than South America, Korea and Japan, there's not a single significant Asiatic-European country that doesn't have an Islamic-related problem.

Face it; this is only going to drive the opinion of most countries more and more against your community for no reason.

 

[ManilaBoy45]

Apologies! i have edited, i couldn't find a credible link. I did recalling reading it somewhere.

No problem, apology accepted ...

 

[Tshering22]

That's a facile cop-out. The Malay Muslims have had no choice in the matter. They did not "let" other countries interfere. Their lands were conquered by Siamese and British invaders and they are now living the legacy.

There was no Islam in the region when Malaya was ruled under Siam and Khmer influence. Most Malays were either mainstream Hindus or Buddhists at that time. British came much, much later than the kingdoms you mentioned. Get your facts right.

These people have tried for decades to get their concerns addressed, but the Thai government's response (other than cosmetic bandages) has been to play hardball. The authorities are encouraged by the global media's predictable spin, which portrays the Muslims as troublemakers who can't assimilate. Never mind the fact that they have been native to the land for centuries.

Once again you support the killers. Thai government has been the most pacifist government vis a vis against Jihad. Do you even know what's going on in Thailand other than the websites that portray these jihadists in heroic image? Do you even know how many these lunatics have killed?

Do care to visit the southern Thailand and see what's going on there before sympathizing with these killers.

But then again, I didn't expect any less from you.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Developreo, when you ''depends on the history'', do you have a rule of thumb governing how old history?

RIP to the dead. Love Thailand, its a shame.

 

[harpoon]

That's a facile cop-out. The Malay Muslims have had no choice in the matter. They did not "let" other countries interfere. Their lands were conquered by Siamese and British invaders and they are now living the legacy. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, these Malays were never part of the treaties that decided their fate.

However, all that is the past, so let's advance to the present. It's easy for us, living far away in comfortable surroundings, to pass judgement and say they should behave such and such. But when your sons and brothers get whisked away in the middle of the night, when your language and culture are under attack by brutal authorities, and when poverty and education levels in your community are out of sync with the national average because of institutionalized discrimination, then things are not so simple.

These people have tried for decades to get their concerns addressed, but the Thai government's response (other than cosmetic bandages) has been to play hardball. The authorities are encouraged by the global media's predictable spin, which portrays the Muslims as troublemakers who can't assimilate. Never mind the fact that they have been native to the land for centuries.

Not trying to troll here, but Baluchis have the exact same grievances. So will Pakistan give them independence.

 

[Developereo]

So are you telling me that the blasts are a lie?

English comprehension is too much for you, I guess.

Jew-obsession

Since you don't even know the difference between Jew and Zionist, the rest of your babbling is meaningless. It is the standard tactic to draw up the anti-Semitism card to deflect debate.

The truth is that there's more to Thailand's Jihad against the common Thais than your feared "zionists".

Again, it would help your case if you knew history and backed it up with historical facts. The cause of the current conflict is the 1909 Anglo-Siamese treaty which put these Malays under Siamese control without their consent.

Israel is an inspiration to all those countries that are suffering from Jihad.

Yes, we know the root of the Indian love for Israel.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/oct/25/india-israel-friendship-prejudice-muslim

Although, it is always entertaining to watch Indians put a respectable spin on this love affair.

Thailand's history stretches back more than the Islamists were ever there, mate. If you go by history, it is technically not even supposed to be there in this region, let alone cause Jihad.

Again, your ignorance or denial of history will not change the facts.

Here's the list:

You're just proving my point, although you are not too bright to understand it.

 

[53fd]

Not trying to troll here, but Baluchis have the exact same grievances. So will Pakistan give them independence.

You need to brush up on your history on Balochistan:

Some excerpts. The whole article, "THE ACCESSION OF KALAT: MYTH AND REALITY" is well worth the reading:

A series of meetings between the Viceroy, as the Crown’s Representative, the Quaid and the Khan of Kalat followed, which resulted in a communiquéй on August 11, 1947. The communiquй stated that:

a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian States.

b. Legal opinion will be sought as to whether or not agreements of leases will be inherited by the Pakistan Government.

c. Meanwhile, a Standstill Agreement has been made between Pakistan and Kalat.

d. Discussions will take place between Pakistan and Kalat at Karachi at an early date with a view to reaching decisions on Defence, External Affairs and Communications.


...

On March 18, 1948, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan issued a press note that the States of Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran had applied for accession to Pakistan, which was granted to them. The press report also said that after the accession of these three states to Pakistan, Kalat’s territory had been reduced to half of its previous area, and had ceased to have any outlet to the sea. The UK High Commissioner in Pakistan reported that the offer of accession was accepted by the Pakistan Cabinet when Jam of Las Bela, Chief of Kharan and Nawab Bai Khan of Mekran met the Quaid on March 17, 1948 and told him that “if Pakistan was not prepared to accept their offers of accession immediately, they would be compelled to take other steps for their protection against Khan of Kalat’s aggressive actions.”55 This was seen as a blow to the Khan as head of the Confederacy, the Baluchistan States Union.

...
As this account makes amply clear, the story of the accession of Kalat was a long drawn out process. And although Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947, the accession of Kalat did not take place till March 27, 1948. The three feudatories, two of which Las Bela and Kharan, which were recognized by the British as independent, played a key role in forcing the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan.

The issue of the accession of Kalat has been clouded in controversy and mythology, because little or no research has been done on the subject. One scholar has described the annexation as, “a nine month tug of war that came to a climax in the forcible annexation of Kalat.”60 The reality is quite different. Khan of Kalat had no choice but to accede after Kharan, Las Bela and Mekran’s acceded to Pakistan, cutting off Kalat from the sea. The announcement on All India Radio that Kalat had been negotiating with India, which Nehru was at pains to deny in the Indian Parliament, caused such an outcry within Baluchistan and outside that the Khan acceded immediately to Pakistan.

The Baluchistan States Union existed between 3 October 1952 and 14 October 1955 in southwest Pakistan. It was formed by the states of Kalat, Kharan, Las Bela and Makran with the capital at the town of Kalat. The area of the Union was roughly the western half of the modern province of Balochistan.

Baluchistan States Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Makran acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined Kalat, Kharan and Las Bela to form the Baluchistan States Union.

Makran (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 March 1948, Kharan acceded to Pakistan and on 3 October 1952 it joined the Baluchistan States Union.

Kharan (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it enough or shall i post some other links confirming that the accession to Pakistan was indeed legal and there wasn't any Baluch uprising against the state of Pakistan ?

 

[Developereo]

There was no Islam in the region when Malaya was ruled under Siam and Khmer influence. Most Malays were either mainstream Hindus or Buddhists at that time. British came much, much later than the kingdoms you mentioned. Get your facts right.

Entirely irrelevant. Most humans were little more than walking apes 50,000 years ago, so what?

The Malay's struggle is about more than just religion. It is about language and culture, as well. Moreover, the Malays are Muslim now and they wish to remain so. Their land has been under conquest by various invaders, which does not mean that they should be forced to abandon their identity just because the British divided the spoils of war with the Siamese.

Once again you support the killers.

Pathetic attempt at trolling. Everyone condemns the terrorism. You are just upset that I pointed out that terrorism is an inevitable (and common) progression in most freedom movements throughout history.

Thai government has been the most pacifist government vis a vis against Jihad.

I would recommend you to try for comedy awards, if the subject matter were not so sad.

Do you even know what's going on in Thailand

Entirely. The issue, once again, is not the jihadis but the concerns of the Malay people.

But, of course, we don't expect intellectual honesty from you guys.

 

[Tshering22]

English comprehension is too much for you, I guess.

Guess you don't see how I followed your posts from the first before. Is that too much for you to read or you want me to quote everything for you?

Since you don't even know the difference between Jew and Zionist, the rest of your babbling is meaningless. It is the standard tactic to draw up the anti-Semitism card to deflect debate.

But I am not saying this. Ask any Israeli. They'd tell you better. I am not even using the term anti-Semitism here!

Again, it would help your case if you knew history and backed it up with historical facts. The cause of the current conflict is the 1909 Anglo-Siamese treaty which put these Malays under Siamese control without their consent.

But if you had given your timelines, I'd have responded much more accurately. I am talking of a time-frame much older than the Anglo-Siamese treaty. Next time, please specify.

Yes, we know the root of the Indian love for Israel.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/oct/25/in isdia-israel-friendship-prejudice-muslim

Although, it is always entertaining to watch Indians put a respectable spin on this love affair.

Naturally. You go against us and you go against their community. What was it you were expecting after that?

Again, your ignorance or denial of history will not change the facts.

Oh but passing the buck on me won't change the ground reality that is reported in not news channels of US alone but the channels of all those countries that I have mentioned on the top. A simple search would really help you understand my post. Certainly, Jews can't be ruling all the media channels of so many countries. Otherwise Israel would have been the size of Russia today.

You're just proving my point, although you are not too bright to understand it.

Guess personal attacks are imbibed in your genes considering that there's nothing solid you can come up with to counter anything I put forward other than commenting on my intellect.

Happens... cornered ones always resort to that. You're not the first of your kind, believe me.