TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Falcon26]

Someone needs to do a deep audit of these photos...I'm sure there's a poster there with @Deino's dinosaur avatar with a message, "prove this guy wrong!" The dinosaur might even be on a dart board somewhere.

Anyways, it's a shame Pakistan didn't join this program back in 2016-2017. Instead, we peddled vaporware (AZM).

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Turkey invited Pakistan to participate in next-gen TFX fighter program - Quwa

Turkey invited Pakistan to participate in the development of the Turkish Aerospace Industries’ next-generation TFX multi-role fighter program.

quwa.org

@JamD @SQ8 @Falcon26

Still not too late for Pakistan to join, but as a country that’s obsessed with consumerism, Pakistan will only start thinking of TFX once it’s up in the air and then Pakistan will make a simple transactional purchase.

 

[Indos]

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

What engine will it use ? If it uses American engines it will be prone to American sanctions

 

[Indos]

What engine will it use ? If it uses American engines it will be prone to American sanctions

Your Tejas and AMCA also uses American engine.

 

[TheSolution]

 

[Sapei]

What engine will it use ? If it uses American engines it will be prone to American sanctions

American engines intially but to be replaced with proper Turkish 5th gen engines before 2030.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Your Tejas and AMCA also uses American engine.

India is a different case they have been working on an engine for last 40 years and they are very likely to come up with their own 91kn engine in next 10 years and that’s the only reason why USA didn’t stop them from buying different GE engines for different blocks of Tejas
The Kaveri engine which Indians developed after an extensive research of 40 years produces 52kn of dry thrust and 81kn of wet thrust it’s currently under testing in Russia

Dry Kaveri to start high altitude tests and flight test bed testing in Russia – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Though 81kn is not enough to power Tejas series of aircraft because the GE F404 IN20 engines Used in Tejas produces 91kn of thrust but it’s still a big achievement they will use kaveri engine in drones and trainer jets.
The only thing where indians lack in engine technology is the hot core section particularly the metallurgy section but just because they don’t have the technology now doesn’t mean they won’t have it in future they are very likely to master the hot core technology in next 10 years.
Not to mention India is asking France , UK , and Britain to co develop an engine for AMCA with full IP rights over the engine technology now whether these countries would agree to this offer or not is a different thing but India will continue working on the engine anyway

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India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is slated for 2035 & Rolls-Royce, Safran & GE have offered to supply engines for AMCA Jet

eurasiantimes.com

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

India is a different case they have been working on an engine for last 40 years and they are very likely to come up with their own 91kn engine in next 10 years and that’s the only reason why USA didn’t stop them from buying different GE engines for different blocks of Tejas
The Kaveri engine which Indians developed after an extensive research of 40 years produces 52kn of dry thrust and 81kn of wet thrust it’s currently under testing in Russia

Dry Kaveri to start high altitude tests and flight test bed testing in Russia – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Though 81kn is not enough to power Tejas series of aircraft because the GE F404 IN20 engines Used in Tejas produces 91kn of thrust but it’s still a big achievement they will use kaveri engine in drones and trainer jets.
The only thing where indians lack in engine technology is the hot core section particularly the metallurgy section but just because they don’t have the technology now doesn’t mean they won’t have it in future they are very likely to master the hot core technology in next 10 years

Don't get me wrong, but if India can develop an engine that can fly a jet of this size in 10 years, TEI can do it in 6-7 years.

 

[Oublious]

India is a different case they have been working on an engine for last 40 years and they are very likely to come up with their own 91kn engine in next 10 years and that’s the only reason why USA didn’t stop them from buying different GE engines for different blocks of Tejas
The Kaveri engine which Indians developed after an extensive research of 40 years produces 52kn of dry thrust and 81kn of wet thrust it’s currently under testing in Russia

Dry Kaveri to start high altitude tests and flight test bed testing in Russia – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Though 81kn is not enough to power Tejas series of aircraft because the GE F404 IN20 engines Used in Tejas produces 91kn of thrust but it’s still a big achievement they will use kaveri engine in drones and trainer jets.
The only thing where indians lack in engine technology is the hot core section particularly the metallurgy section but just because they don’t have the technology now doesn’t mean they won’t have it in future they are very likely to master the hot core technology in next 10 years.
Not to mention India is asking France , UK , and Britain to co develop an engine for AMCA with full IP rights over the engine technology now whether these countries would agree to this offer or not is a different thing but India will continue working on the engine anyway

Rolls-Royce, Safran & GE Offer To Power India's 5th-Gen AMCA Stealth Fighter Jet, But Export Restrictions Inevitable

India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is slated for 2035 & Rolls-Royce, Safran & GE have offered to supply engines for AMCA Jet

eurasiantimes.com

you don't have engine and still not able to come with a engine...

so stop asking things about engine.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Don't get me wrong, but if India can develop an engine that can fly a jet of this size in 10 years, TEI can do it in 6-7 years.

I beg to disagree because the Turkish T129 helicopter is powered by LHTEC CTS800-4N engines, that are manufactures in Turkey under license. It is a version of the T800 engine, developed by Rolls-Royce and Honeywell. The original engine was developed for the US RAH-66 Comanche stealthy reconnaissance and attack helicopter.

While on the other hand Indian LCH Prachand helicopters are Powered by twin Shakti engines, a collaborative effort of the HAL and France’s Safran company.
It’s important to mention that ,
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited is developing a new indigenous helicopter engine—the Hindustan Turbo Shaft Engine (HTSE) 1200. “The HTSE-1200 can be used for helicopters of 3.5-ton class in the single-engine configuration such as the Light Utility Helicopter and for 5 to 8 ton class in twin engine configuration such as the Indian Multi Role Helicopter, Advanced Light Helicopter and Light Combat Helicopter.


The 1200KW Turbo shaft engine would be used as power plant for 3 to 6-ton category helicopters.

One technology demonstrator of HTSE-1200 engine was built and it is presently under testing.100% speed run achieved on core engine.

Sea level trials of core engine completed successfully.

High altitude cold weather trials of Jet Mode Engine at Leh and High altitude hot weather trials of Jet Mode Engine at Leh, South Pullu and Khardung-La completed. Run of Power mode engine to 80% of the speed achieved.
No country in the world has been able to develop a 100 kn class turbofan engine from scratch in a matter of 6 years even France which had the turbofan engine technology took 7-8 years to design M88 engine for Rafales they initially used GE F-404 engines for rafales because the M88 was not ready

 

[Foinikas]

American engines intially but to be replaced with proper Turkish 5th gen engines before 2030.

If the Ukrainians or British collaborate.

 

[aziqbal]

impressive for TFX and Hurjet will be manufactured together

the think Turkey speed up the process after F35 program was cancelled

a blessing in disguise

 

[Ebren]

Still not too late for Pakistan to join

No.

 

[merzifonlu]

If the Ukrainians or British collaborate.

Ukr? No. Brits? Yes.

I think RR company can propose a military engine to be derived from the Pearl 10 civil aviation engine. If this cooperation is realized, yes, the engine with the desired thrust (35.000 lbf with afterburner) can be reached until 2030. Otherwise IMO it would be very questionable if we could produce a turbofan that would run at that date and be safe.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't say we can't produce it. We can produce that engine, but we cannot produce an engine ready to be mounted on TFX in 2030.

It will be the fastest and safest way to convert from the Pearl 10 engine, which is currently in production, which is reliable, powerful and consumes less fuel.

 

[dBSPL]

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