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F-35 is a modified F-16.
Can anyone fill me in - is this guy a troll or what?
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F-35 is a modified F-16.
Can anyone fill me in - is this guy a troll or what?
I stopped after reading this..... i'm not upset about anything...if you are not able to understand my simple sentences than i have nothing more to say.what is you were upset with my comments
I DID NOT say that Turkish Aerospace Industries CANNOT build a 5th gen fighter jet with that comment. However, since you brought up the subject. Let's examine so-called capabilities of Turkey.
1. Turkey doesn't have Aerospace Industry that is comparable with likes of Japan, China and others
2. Turkey has never designed & built a 5th gen fighter jet let alone a 4th gen fighter jet
3. Turkey has not designed & built a single turbofans engine that could power a jet of that class
Bro NASA said canard is extremely stealthy especially from head on posture for experimental X-36 project which have canard with stealthy airframeI already mentioned this before, but J-20's canard design is bad for stealth capabilities. It inevitably increases the Radar Cross Section. There is no way around it. KFX Block I is not also a LO (low observable) fighter aircraft as it misses out some stealth features you can find from the 5th gen US jets.
Design-wise, TF-X is more stealthy than other non-US 5th gen fighter jet projects, except Mitsubishi F-3 and few others. However, I wonder why Turkey now claims that TF-X would start as a 4.5(+++)th gen fighter jet. The only logical explaination is that they are not confident to implement all stealth features from their concept arts & promotional images from Block I.
I stopped after reading this..... i'm not upset about anything...if you are not able to understand my simple sentences than i have nothing more to say.
Then, i wondered and read it further.
Just a more bunch of crap...i say what do you know about Turkish Industries, and it's blah blah blah....You have no right to disrespect people here. We can easily treat you like a troll here.
Yes, you are upset because I ask hardball questions over capabilities of Aerospace Industry in Turkey. I am the one doesn't mind getting corrected and educated on new things that I did not know before.
On the other hand, you took my reasonable doubts over Turkey's capabilities of designing & building a 5th gen fighter jet as "disrespect" and launched personal attacks on me without actually answering the questions that I presented for TF-X.
You are not interested in constructive conversations. You don't want anyone to point out difficulties that Turkey will face over the so-called 5th gen fighter jet project. Well, I am not interested in mindlessly assuring you that your wishful thinking over TF-X would magically come true. It doesn't matter that you bury your head in the sand. The problems are real.
Back to the engine, could anyone cite me any evidence from GE or the US government that they have agreed to provide F110 engines to Turkey for TF-X? I could not find any reference on GE Aviation website. I am happy to be corrected on this matter. Or TF-X is another Altay? A fighter aircraft without any engine? Let's keep it real. You don't want TF-X turning into another Altay and neither do I.
However, since you brought up the subject. Let's examine so-called capabilities of Turkey.
1. Turkey doesn't have Aerospace Industry that is comparable with likes of Japan, China and others
2. Turkey has never designed & built a 5th gen fighter jet let alone a 4th gen fighter jet
3. Turkey has not designed & built a single turbofans engine that could power a jet of that class
This not asking questions...This is extrapolating, Like saying Turkey have not produced any helicopter, blah, blah, so it can't produce any helicopter. However, Turkey has produced helicopter without having any helicopter production experience in the past. So, extrapolating doesn't works for most of the time.
Like what do yo know about TAI's composite production facility, or how many R&D engineers work in TAI, Or Super Plastic Forming capabilities....you know nothing but come and saying "Turkey can't produce this, because it has not made a 5th gen before"..... like. Yeah, whatever.
Anyways, instead of littering our section, i would appreciate if you can go to open a thread in another section, and talk about Turkish Industry Capabilities by yourself. As you can see no one is interested in your non-sense.
TAI's composite production facility, or how many R&D engineers work in TAI, Or Super Plastic Forming capabilities
Like F-5 tiger engine. Developed from target missile adm 20 quaillIn my opinion Turkish engine development should be more concentrated on supplying Turkish cruise missile like SOM. More resources and money should be given to this effort. Later, the engine should be developed to power Turkish next drone program (wing man drone, etc).
While for TFX, it should use foreign engine to speed up the program. Before even basic design is completed, Turkey should already be quite sure about the engine of TFX and has already made a contract with the engine producer. It is because basic design and detail design is worked based on the engine that will power the plane. Turkey can dream having a jet fighter being powered by their own made engine after their turbojet engine for drone is proven to be quite good and reliable.
The process should be like this = turbojet for cruise missile> turbojet for drone > turbojet/turbofan for fighter.
This is why I think Kale must be the one who develop the engine so there is continuation between the process. Or it can be a combine force between Kale and TEI since the start.
With TRMotor (BMC's Junk) it is impossible, through other partnerships with more suitable state owned companies it is possible. The future will tell it all. However, again the future tell us who is/are the partner/s.Back to the engine, does Turkey have any realistic way to procure suitable turbofan engines? Please don't mention any pipedream such as indigenous turbofan engine which is unrealistic for the given schedule unless you want to turn the project into a vaporware.
With TRMotor (BMC's Junk) it is impossible, through other partnerships with more suitable state owned companies it is possible. The future will tell it all. However, again the future tell us who is/are the partner/s.
And it has been verified that some engines are delivered for prototypes, some says it is F-110 or whatever ,SSB president ( Defence Industry-Acquisition Office Presidency) has made statement regarding to that.
After all first target is to develop 4+ gen Fighter by 2030, First batches will be 4+ Gen, following batches will be 5th gen which will be procured by 2035 or 2040 (the date which F-16s will be scrapped). There has been some information that UK assists Turkey in TF-X MMU but again i am not sure.
The goal is to develop indigenous engine through some ToT especially for UAVs, since it is harder to acquire engines for UAVs for some reason.