TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

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İngiliz şirketi ile Türkiye arasındaki uçak anlaşması İngiltere hükümeti tarafından ertelendi
Türkiye'nin "milli" savaş uçağı üretimi için Londra merkezli bir şirketle yaptığı anlaşma, darbe girişiminin ertesinde İngiltere hükümeti tarafından engellendi.

Türkiye'nin İngiltere'nin başkenti Londra merkezli BAE Systems Plc'ye ihale ettiği "milli savaş uçağı" projesine İngiltere hükümeti tarafından darbe vuruldu.

Bloomberg'den Benjamin D Katz, Ercan Ersoy ve Alex Morales'in haberine göre, anlaşma, darbe sonrasında Birleşik Krallık hükümeti tarafından ertelendi.

Konu hakkında bilgi sahibi kaynaklara göre, normal şartlarda anlaşmanın önümüzdeki birkaç hafta içinde sağlanması bekleniyordu. Ancak erteleme ile birlikte, TAI ile yapılacak işbirliğinin ancak yıl sonunda ilân edilebileceği söyleniyor.

DARBE SONRASI YAŞANAN GELİŞMELERİN PAYI VAR

Britanya sermayeli BAE grubu, Türkiye'nin "milli uçak" projesi için Airbus Group ile rekabet ediyordu. 2023'te sona ermesi hedeflenen projeyle, İngiltere savunma endüstrisinin yeni pazarlara erişiminin artması, Türkiye'nin ise askeri konuda Almanya ve ABD'ye bağımlılığının azalması bekleniyordu.

Haberde görüşlerine yer verilen Richard Aboulafia isimli bir uzman, 15 Temmuz darbe girişiminin Erdoğan'ın savaş uçağı projesini tamamlama kararlılığını "muhtemelen artırdığını" söylerken, "Tarihsel olarak, yerli savaş uçağı projeleri milliyetçilik ve paranoyanın bir karışımıdır. Erdoğan yönetimindeki Türkiye'de bunun ikisi de var" diyor.

Birleşik Krallık'ın projeyi ertelemesinde, darbe sonrası Erdoğan'ın hamlelerinin payı olduğu konuya hakim kaynaklarca dile getiriliyor.

Haberde, ertelemenin Türkiye ile Batılı müttefiklerinin arasındaki ilişkinin nasıl "ekşidiğini" gösterdiği, ancak Türkiye'nin AB ile ticaret hacminin 147 milyar dolar olduğu ve bunun da ülkenin Batı bloğu ile olan derin ilişkilerini gösterdiği vurgulanıyor.

'YERLİ UÇAK' PROJESİ İNGİLİZ ŞİRKETE EMANET

TF-X adı verilen "yerli savaş uçağı"ndan Türkiye'nin 250 adet satın alabileceği söyleniyor. Ankara, bunun yanı sıra 2018 yılına kadar Lockheed Martin'in ürettiği 100 adet F-35 siparişi de verdi.

Bloomberg'e yazılı bir açıklama yapan Birleşik Krallık Uluslararası Ticaret Departmanı ise, "Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'nin gereksinimlerine karşılık veren Birleşik Krallık şirketlerini desteklemeye Türk şirketleri ile yakından çalışmaya devam ettiklerini" söyledi.

Departman, ertelendiği söylenen projeyle ilgili bir bilgi vermedi.

Türk uçağının üretimi ile birlikte, BAE'nin Eurofighter Typhoon'dan ibaret envanterini geliştirmesi bekleniyordu.

Kore ve Japon "milli uçak" programlarını temel alan Türk planı için hükümetin 11.7 milyar dolar harcayacağı tahmin ediliyor.

BAE'nin bu harcamalardan edineceği ile ücret ise 2.93 milyar dolar. Bu ücrete bakım anlaşmaları ve ihracat fırsatları dahil değil.

AKINCI ÜSSÜ ONARILACAK

BAE ile TAI arasındaki anlaşmanın, hükümetler arası bir anlaşmanın parçası olduğu söyleniyor.

Daha ilginç bir bilgi ise, BAE'nin Türk Hava Kuvetleri'nden test için kiraladığı uçak pistinin, darbe girişimi sonrasında bombalanması.

Hatırlanacağı üzere, darbeye katılan F-16'ların havalanmasını engellemek için, Akıncı Üssü'ndeki pist bombalanmıştı.

Bir başka bilgi de, Akıncı Üssü'nün tamirinin önümüzdeki hafta başlayacağı. Oysa Milli Savunma Bakanı Fikri Işık, Akıncı üssüyle ilgili olarak "Demokrasi Parkı yapılması konusunda irade var" demişti.

BAE-Turkey Fighter Jet Plan Said Delayed After Failed Coup

BAE Systems Plc’s deal to develop Turkey’s first home-built fighter jet has been delayed by the U.K. government as it assesses the aftermath of the attempted coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to people familiar with the situation.

Formal details of the cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries on the jet, dubbed the TF-X, may only be announced toward the end of the year, the people said. The agreement had originally been expected within the next few weeks, two of the people said.

BAE is competing with Airbus Group SE for the right to help design and develop the plane, which is targeted for completion by 2023, according to one of the people. A deal would help the U.K. defense industry push into new export markets, an effort that has gained importance since the June vote for Britain to exit the European Union. For Turkey, a home-grown combat aircraft would help reduce dependence on Germany and the U.S. for military equipment.

Last month’s failed coup probably increased Erdogan’s determination to complete the fighter jet project, said Richard Aboulafia, a Fairfax, Virginia-based analyst with Teal Group. “Historically, indigenous fighter jet projects have been driven by a mix of nationalism and paranoia, and Turkey under Erdogan checks both boxes,” he said.

The delay comes as the U.K. government keeps watch over Erdogan’s response to the coup, the people familiar with the talks said. It’s another example of how relations between Turkey and its western neighbors have soured. NATO was even forced to issue a statement last week saying Turkey’s membership in the military alliance is not in question. Still, Turkey’s trade with the EU was worth $147 billion last year, underscoring the depths of its ties to the bloc.

250 Aircraft
Turkey could buy about 250 of the TF-X aircraft, Aboulafia said. The country, which has the second-biggest air force in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, already ordered 100 Lockheed Martin Corp. F-35 fighter jets, due for delivery starting in 2018.

BAE rose 0.1 percent to 522 pence at 2:10 p.m. in London. The shares have climbed 4.5 percent this year, giving the contractor a market value of 16.6 billion pounds ($21.6 billion).

BAE is “supporting pre-contract studies with Turkish industry and government” after a request for proposals for collaboration on the TF-X program, the company said in an e-mailed statement. BAE said it can never comment on the next stage of a customer’s program.

The U.K. remains “supportive of U.K. companies that are responding to the requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces and working closely with Turkish companies,” the Department for International Trade said in an e-mailed statement. It declined to comment on specific projects.

The Turkish jet will help BAE broaden its military-air division beyond the Eurofighter Typhoon, which entered service in 2003. The Eurofighter accounted for about 17 percent of the U.K. defense contractor’s total sales last year, according to Sandy Morris, a London-based analyst for Jefferies International.

Based on similar Korean and Japanese indigenous fighter jet programs, Turkey will spend about $11.7 billion on the TF-X’s development costs, said Ben Moores, an analyst with IHS. BAE stands to reap at least one-quarter of that amount, or $2.93 billion, as well as additional revenues from potentially helping to make the aircraft, plus maintenance agreements and export opportunities, Moores said.

First Interest
Turkey first signaled its interest in working with BAE in December, Turkish Aerospace said. A spokeswoman for the company didn’t respond to requests for comment on the delay.

The deal is in part a government-to-government agreement, according to the people familiar with the project. The U.K. is negotiating with Turkey’s Defense Industries Secretariat, a co-owner of Turkish Aerospace that oversees military projects and is chaired by the prime minister.

An airstrip the company rents from the Turkish Air Force and used for testing was destroyed during the July 15 coup attempt. Erdogan’s forces bombed the runway to prevent the coup’s coordinators from sending more of the state’s F-16 warplanes into the skies.

The aircraft were being used to bomb Turkey’s capital, targeting buildings including the parliament and producing low-altitude sonic booms over both Ankara and Istanbul. The Akinci airstrip, which lies just west of Ankara, is due to start repairs next week, according to one of the people.

 

[bsruzm]

Better, nobody gets me wrong but I am not in support of a British chief engineer.

 

[Steelheadd]

Maybe we can work with Sukhoi.

 

[Oguzhan]

Good wet dream lol

 

[Timur]

Better, nobody gets me wrong but I am not in support of a British chief engineer.

Better Than any German

 

[bsruzm]

Better Than any German

That's not what I mean, I also don't know how true the news report is.

 

[Beno]

BAE-Turkey Fighter Jet Plan Said Delayed After Failed Coup

BAE Systems Plc’s deal to develop Turkey’s first home-built fighter jet has been delayed by the U.K. government as it assesses the aftermath of the attempted coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to people familiar with the situation.

Formal details of the cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries on the jet, dubbed the TF-X, may only be announced toward the end of the year, the people said. The agreement had originally been expected within the next few weeks, two of the people said.

BAE is competing with Airbus Group SE for the right to help design and develop the plane, which is targeted for completion by 2023, according to one of the people. A deal would help the U.K. defense industry push into new export markets, an effort that has gained importance since the June vote for Britain to exit the European Union. For Turkey, a home-grown combat aircraft would help reduce dependence on Germany and the U.S. for military equipment.

Last month’s failed coup probably increased Erdogan’s determination to complete the fighter jet project, said Richard Aboulafia, a Fairfax, Virginia-based analyst with Teal Group. “Historically, indigenous fighter jet projects have been driven by a mix of nationalism and paranoia, and Turkey under Erdogan checks both boxes,” he said.

The delay comes as the U.K. government keeps watch over Erdogan’s response to the coup, the people familiar with the talks said. It’s another example of how relations between Turkey and its western neighbors have soured. NATO was even forced to issue a statement last week saying Turkey’s membership in the military alliance is not in question. Still, Turkey’s trade with the EU was worth $147 billion last year, underscoring the depths of its ties to the bloc.

250 Aircraft
Turkey could buy about 250 of the TF-X aircraft, Aboulafia said. The country, which has the second-biggest air force in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, already ordered 100 Lockheed Martin Corp. F-35 fighter jets, due for delivery starting in 2018.

BAE rose 0.1 percent to 522 pence at 2:10 p.m. in London. The shares have climbed 4.5 percent this year, giving the contractor a market value of 16.6 billion pounds ($21.6 billion).

BAE is “supporting pre-contract studies with Turkish industry and government” after a request for proposals for collaboration on the TF-X program, the company said in an e-mailed statement. BAE said it can never comment on the next stage of a customer’s program.

The U.K. remains “supportive of U.K. companies that are responding to the requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces and working closely with Turkish companies,” the Department for International Trade said in an e-mailed statement. It declined to comment on specific projects.

The Turkish jet will help BAE broaden its military-air division beyond the Eurofighter Typhoon, which entered service in 2003. The Eurofighter accounted for about 17 percent of the U.K. defense contractor’s total sales last year, according to Sandy Morris, a London-based analyst for Jefferies International.

Based on similar Korean and Japanese indigenous fighter jet programs, Turkey will spend about $11.7 billion on the TF-X’s development costs, said Ben Moores, an analyst with IHS. BAE stands to reap at least one-quarter of that amount, or $2.93 billion, as well as additional revenues from potentially helping to make the aircraft, plus maintenance agreements and export opportunities, Moores said.

First Interest
Turkey first signaled its interest in working with BAE in December, Turkish Aerospace said. A spokeswoman for the company didn’t respond to requests for comment on the delay.

The deal is in part a government-to-government agreement, according to the people familiar with the project. The U.K. is negotiating with Turkey’s Defense Industries Secretariat, a co-owner of Turkish Aerospace that oversees military projects and is chaired by the prime minister.

An airstrip the company rents from the Turkish Air Force and used for testing was destroyed during the July 15 coup attempt. Erdogan’s forces bombed the runway to prevent the coup’s coordinators from sending more of the state’s F-16 warplanes into the skies.

The aircraft were being used to bomb Turkey’s capital, targeting buildings including the parliament and producing low-altitude sonic booms over both Ankara and Istanbul. The Akinci airstrip, which lies just west of Ankara, is due to start repairs next week, according to one of the people.

Thanks for translating.

In my opinion it would be a better idea would be to cooperate with south Korea on their fighter yet project. Turkey already works with them on the Altay tank and the Koreans have delivered on that project without delays.

 

[Stimpy75]

But they have no experience developing such an ambitious fighter program
For their T-50 they had massive support from Lockheed
And they don't want to share their whole technology
If I remember right we asked for a partnership,but it was like give money for the development but not sharing the technology

 

[SouI]

Thanks for translating.

In my opinion it would be a better idea would be to cooperate with south Korea on their fighter yet project. Turkey already works with them on the Altay tank and the Koreans have delivered on that project without delays.

Exactly. We should increase our cooperation with brotherly countries like South Korea and Japan, and even Australia. Malaysia is also an option. They are a richer country than us and are way ahead of us in terms of domestic military technology. They would love to work together with us also for cultural reasons.

We have great relationships with those countries but all we do is tying ourselves more with EU and US. I don't think in the long run that will result in anything good.

 

[Oguzhan]

South Korea and Japan = US

 

[Oublious]

Maybe we can work with Sukhoi.

Ask the indians about ther T-50 Pakfa...

 

[Oguzhan]

E ona bakarsan şuan Çin'de US dostum. İleride değişecek tüm bu dengeler. Bak EU ülkeleri hemen Çin'in kurduğu uluslararası yatırım bankasına kaydoldu Türkiye ile birlikte. Bu ülkeler sonsuza kadar ABD'nin etkisi altında kalmayacaklar.

Dostum bi çin diyosun bi kore,söylediklerin elmayla armut gibi birşey
Hiç,herhangi bir japonla konuştun mu bilmiyorum ama 90 larda japonların yaptığı teknoloji atılımını şimdi kore yapıyor,fakat iki ülke de bankacılık anlamında Abd'ye göbekten bağlı,
O samsung dediğin şirketin paraları olduğu gibi Abd'de duruyor,japon endüstri devriminin öncüsü mitsubishi Abd ye göbekten bağlı
Hayallerindeki japonya'nın kırpılmış f-22'yi Abd yardımıyla yapabileceği inandırıcı mı? Benim kafamdaki japonya F-22 ayarında bir uçağı yapabilmesi lazım,bütçesi ve teknolojisi buna yeterli,ama yapamıyor,Abd ittirmesiyle Junior bir uçak yapıyor ona da MM radar bilr 2026 da gelicek deniyor,bizim kendi MM radarımız bile 2021 prototip teslimatlı
Öle WW2 de atom bombasını bu adamlar boşa yemedi Ya da 30 sene önce korenin yarısı boşuna öldürülmedi,bu adamlar ordusu olmayan,ekonomisi Abd'ye bağlı uydumsu devletler,Son zamanlardaki askeri atılımlarının artışı Çİn'in gücünü artırmasından kaynaklanıyor,Abd'de biyere kadar karşılayabiliyor,kendi kendilerini büyütmeye izin veriyor,
Çin-Abd-Rusya bunlar makro anlamda birbirine bağlı sistemler,çünkü soğuk savaşta Rusya bloklaşırken Abd liberal pazarla bütün ekonomilere sızdı,Şimdi Rusya ve Çin'de ekonomilerini liberalleştirip pazardan pay kapmaya çalışırken bu tür bağlamalar oluyor,Yoksa neden Rusya petrol fiyatına kendini endekslesin ki?Ürettiği zaten kendine yeter,üretemediğini de kullandırmaz millete,millet de bişey diyebilecek türde değil zaten,Ama fazla üretip fazla kazanayım,diğer pazarlara da el atayım diyor,Çünkü Abd bunu yıllarca yaptı ve obezleşti

 

[SouI]

Dostum bi çin diyosun bi kore,söylediklerin elmayla armut gibi birşey
Hiç,herhangi bir japonla konuştun mu bilmiyorum ama 90 larda japonların yaptığı teknoloji atılımını şimdi kore yapıyor,fakat iki ülke de bankacılık anlamında Abd'ye göbekten bağlı,
O samsung dediğin şirketin paraları olduğu gibi Abd'de duruyor,japon endüstri devriminin öncüsü mitsubishi Abd ye göbekten bağlı
Hayallerindeki japonya'nın kırpılmış f-22'yi Abd yardımıyla yapabileceği inandırıcı mı? Benim kafamdaki japonya F-22 ayarında bir uçağı yapabilmesi lazım,bütçesi ve teknolojisi buna yeterli,ama yapamıyor,Abd ittirmesiyle Junior bir uçak yapıyor ona da MM radar bilr 2026 da gelicek deniyor,bizim kendi MM radarımız bile 2021 prototip teslimatlı
Öle WW2 de atom bombasını bu adamlar boşa yemedi Ya da 30 sene önce korenin yarısı boşuna öldürülmedi,bu adamlar ordusu olmayan,ekonomisi Abd'ye bağlı uydumsu devletler,Son zamanlardaki askeri atılımlarının artışı Çİn'in gücünü artırmasından kaynaklanıyor,Abd'de biyere kadar karşılayabiliyor,kendi kendilerini büyütmeye izin veriyor,
Çin-Abd-Rusya bunlar makro anlamda birbirine bağlı sistemler,çünkü soğuk savaşta Rusya bloklaşırken Abd liberal pazarla bütün ekonomilere sızdı,Şimdi Rusya ve Çin'de ekonomilerini liberalleştirip pazardan pay kapmaya çalışırken bu tür bağlamalar oluyor,Yoksa neden Rusya petrol fiyatına kendini endekslesin ki?Ürettiği zaten kendine yeter,üretemediğini de kullandırmaz millete,millet de bişey diyebilecek türde değil zaten,Ama fazla üretip fazla kazanayım,diğer pazarlara da el atayım diyor,Çünkü Abd bunu yıllarca yaptı ve obezleşti

You are right too bro.

 

[anatolia]

Exactly. We should increase our cooperation with brotherly countries like South Korea and Japan, and even Australia. Malaysia is also an option. They are a richer country than us and are way ahead of us in terms of domestic military technology. They would love to work together with us also for cultural reasons.

We have great relationships with those countries but all we do is tying ourselves more with EU and US. I don't think in the long run that will result in anything good.

australia must be joke too

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

of course sir
Pakistan is already observing the project


no no qaher's wing configuration is reverse delta canards its nothing like that

Unlikely, the tfx may comes with western avionics, i am sure PAF will opt for Chinese platform but not anytime before 2025.