Tesla Sales Have Fallen Off A Cliff In Europe’s “Greenest” Car Markets In 2020

[Hamartia Antidote]

I think safety is the first and most important priority for an EV, nobody want to sitting on a bomb.

In this regard, BYD Han, with its world leading blade battery package which can even pass highly challenging short-circus break test, is in a league of its own, far far superior to the moving bomb a.k.a Tesla's death traps.

There's already ~4 Million EV drivers in China with non-blade cars.

Plus people already drive gasoline deathtraps.

That battery won't matter as much as autonomous driving...and it is already in some customer's hands.

 

[Invicta]

Tesla will be the dominant EV company over the next decade, and it won’t be close. Their tech is so far ahead of the competition it’s laughable. Their will be other successful EV companies, but they will all live in the shadow of Tesla.

Tesla's have a lot of work to do before they can start bragging like that. Tech is one thing - the only way they will completely monopolise the market is if the governments world over allow anyone to use the road using their self driving feature.

That is not happening. In terms of their lead in the battery tech, they are not that far off from others. In fact the KERS in F1 is a more promising system than anything that Tesla have come up with.

Their interior is lagging behind the mainstream manufacturers and their infotainment systems are too complicated as well. I for one don't want to go through a dozen menus and sub menus to change one setting form the main screen.

Right now they are the shiny toy you can buy to flash around. It's not going to last long.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

the only way they will completely monopolise the market is if the governments world over allow anyone to use the road using their self driving feature.

True, this is a key piece in the puzzle

Their interior is lagging behind the mainstream manufacturers and their infotainment systems are too complicated as well. I for one don't want to go through a dozen menus and sub menus to change one setting form the main screen.

You are missing the point of what the future will look like. There will be no "front" seats with a dash.

They have intentionally made the dash minimalist so they can buyback old cars and ripout the front seat areas and convert them into robotaxis.

 

[Invicta]

You are missing the point of what the future will look like. There will be no "front" seats with a dash.

They have intentionally made the dash minimalist so they can buyback old cars and ripout the front seat areas and convert them into robotaxis.

Makes sense when you put it like that. However, that's for the future, at the present - right now if I have a Tesla and I need to make changes I will have to go through menus and sub menus to get to where I need to be.

May be I am old fashioned - time will tell.

 

[52051]

There's already ~4 Million EV drivers in China with non-blade cars.

Plus people already drive gasoline deathtraps.

That battery won't matter as much as autonomous driving...and it is already in some customer's hands.

First of all, China does not lag behind in auto-driving either, they just pick a different and much safer route, based on the vast 5G network about to deployed in China, this auto-driving route are lead by Huawei and such.

They also have the less reliable like the Tesla/Google route, which auto-driving are mostly depend on sensors/computers within the car, this route are mostly done by Baidu and such, and according to some test rank, Baidu's method is quite reliable as well.

But for safety concerns, and due to China's vast advantage in technology, especially the 5G part, China prefer the 5G way of auto driving, because they are much safer and reliable, and because we can do that.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

First of all, China does not lag behind in auto-driving either, they just pick a different and much safer route, based on the vast 5G network about to deployed in China, this auto-driving route are lead by Huawei and such.

They also have the less reliable like the Tesla/Google route, which auto-driving are mostly depend on sensors/computers within the car, this route are mostly done by Baidu and such, and according to some test rank, Baidu's method is quite reliable as well.

But for safety concerns, and due to China's vast advantage in technology, especially the 5G part, China prefer the 5G way of auto driving, because they are much safer and reliable, and because we can do that.

5G isn't going to help with the little kid that walks out infront of a speeding car (vs just a big plastic bag blowing in the wind). You will need quality optical recognition first one way or another.

The Google strategy of pre-mapping the world to a few millimeters and dynamically sending it to the car will work better in 5G.

Yes, 5G will also help with knowing the positions of other cars so you can remove red/green traffic signals and it can help on highways to manage lane changing and close convoys. But you need the basics working first before you get to that level.

 

[52051]

5G isn't going to help with the little kid that walks out infront of a speeding car. You will need optical recognition one way or another.

Yes, 5G will help with knowing the positions of other cars so you can remove red/green traffic signals and it can help on highways to manage lane changing and close convoys. But you need the basics working first.

5G based auto-driving does not just use 5G along, they still have sensors and computer installed on car, they are just much more integrated into 5G infrastructure, and thanks to the integration through 5G network, their imagine-recognazation can take the information not just from sensors in cars, but remote sensors and other sensors on the road, or even networked senors on other cars, to spot/identify object, they are much more reliable.

Unlike the lone wolf version of auto driving which intend to work in countries with third-world infrastructure.

 

[Clutch]

The problem with Tesla is that their core technology is easily adoptable and scalable by many others....

Their exclusivity and edge on Self Driving Tech is more gimmick than necessary...

Tesla remains to expensive ... Other more less expensive offerings are there for customers as options.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

5G based auto-driving does not just use 5G along, they still have sensors and computer installed on car, they are just much more integrated into 5G infrastructure, and thanks to the integration through 5G network, their imagine-recognazation can take the information not just from sensors in cars, but remote sensors and other sensors on the road, or even networked senors on other cars, to spot/identify object, they are much more reliable.

Unlike the lone wolf version of auto driving which intend to work in countries with third-world infrastructure.

Certainly you can optimize a system by putting these sensors in cities and high traffic areas. But you have millions of miles of roads and putting sensors everywhere is simply not practical. You are going to need a robust system of lone wolf driving.

 

[52051]

Certainly you can optimize a system by putting these sensors in cities and high traffic areas. But you have millions of miles of roads and putting sensors everywhere is simply not practical. You are going to need a robust system of driving.

They do, and their robust system is based on the integration of all information from all networked sensors they can access through 5G network, thats why they are far more reliable.

In the worst case scenario when there is no 5G signal, they still can be as safe as any lone wolf auto-driving cars.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

They do, and their robust system is based on the integration of all information from all networked sensors they can access through 5G network, thats why they are far more reliable.

In the worst case scenario when there is no 5G signal, they still can be as safe as any lone wolf auto-driving cars.

Also if you are actually serious about selling autonomous cars worldwide (vs just Chinese cities) you are going to run into standards issues as they aren't going to pay for a specific car model's sensor infrastructure requirements. At least by leveraging something like Starlink you would have a somewhat consistency in communication...but inconsistency in sensors.

 

[Trango Towers]

Anyone buying an electric car now is nuts
1. Too expensive
2. Poor range
3. Poor battery life
4. Very poor charge cycle

Until range and battery life and charge rate improve I am a petrol head

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I think car sales as a whole are bad.
I am looking at a mecedes GLE
New costs £60,000 plus
Used 2018 model with 10000 miles is £28000 approx. Why would you buy a new car when a diesel with that sort of milage, its engine hasn't been run in properly. Additionally, company cars are nit required therefore sales will be lower

I always believe in buying gently used mint cars. While some fool takes the initial depreciation hit.