Terrorists destroy Mosque, kill Namazis during Jumaah Prayers

[RajsParadise]

My Deep Condolences for the beraved families who lost their lives in the house of worship.

At this moment I would not dweal into the reasoning and the motive of such perpetrators,but rather would precusors the game of blame and denial being played in the face of adversity. In spite of knowing pretty well that unless a concrete proof or something substantial is put forth by the investigation agency of any country (I am just trying to generalise) no perpetrator let it be an terrorist organistaion or a country who in disguise is conducting covert terrorist operations would be brought to justice, yet the learned members here tend to perceive that their preceptions would have some sort of significane and tend to putforth their RANTS, and I do mean RANTS without even understanding the underlying implications or significance of these statments made ona global front.

I am rather amused that such a dastardy act committed has been made into a debate of mockery of blame and denial. I tried to understand the astute essence of each of the statments made by learned members here and was completely thrown out as some were obnoxious were as some stoody at just trying to score points against each other.

Be constructive, be logical and please understand as individuals all of us here are not competent to bring a change,' but with constructive ideas of such learned members here I delieve that we can find a solutions for all the adversities which are being faced in the region.

Who done it and what was their intent is questionable and what can be done is left to people who run the machinery and what we can do to stall them is what we all need to think. BTW nuking terrorist is the most senseless idea I would have personally come accross in a very long time.

 

[muse]

The response of the Pakistani state, politiicans and ordinary citizens should be instructive -- no Marches, no protest, no voices in media or parliament - no certainty of action. Just Apathy

Instead, the same trash denials - "no muslim could have done this" - of course "foreign hand" and also a role refrring to patriotic intelligence services as being the cause.

All the while just about everbody knows who has been doing this in Pakistan. But we just cannot get ourselves to admit it, even to ourselves ; after all "they" are the REAL muslims, we of course are the corrupted muslims.

 

[belarusian]

terrorism is a tactic. so when you call them terrorists you are just describing the tactic they are using, and this does not explain much.

pakistan is a country full of exploited people who have been cheated out of the means to better themselves. al quaida gives them a gun and they feel like men, like real human beings, like they finally have some power.

the trick is to give them that same feeling without holding a gun.

 

[Awesome]

The response of the Pakistani state, politiicans and ordinary citizens should be instructive -- no Marches, no protest, no voices in media or parliament - no certainty of action. Just Apathy

Instead, the same trash denials - "no muslim could have done this" - of course "foreign hand" and also a role refrring to patriotic intelligence services as being the cause.

All the while just about everbody knows who has been doing this in Pakistan. But we just cannot get ourselves to admit it, even to ourselves ; after all "they" are the REAL muslims, we of course are the corrupted muslims.

The "real" Muslims may just be puppets of the real threat.

Just saying accusing ONE enemy, is just not the way. Take a holistic approach. When you remove cancerous tissue during surgery, the attempt is to not leave an residual tissue behind.

 

[DarkStar]

terrorism is a tactic. so when you call them terrorists you are just describing the tactic they are using, and this does not explain much.

pakistan is a country full of exploited people who have been cheated out of the means to better themselves. al quaida gives them a gun and they feel like men, like real human beings, like they finally have some power.

the trick is to give them that same feeling without holding a gun.

AlQaida does not operate in Pakistan, in that sense. They are nto handing out guns, and nor are any Pakistanis accepting them.

Pakistan is facing the TTP threat, financed and supported by India in collusion with their AFghani friends. And this threat will be neutralised.

 

[S-2]

"Instead, the same trash denials - "no muslim could have done this" - of course "foreign hand" and also a role refrring to patriotic intelligence services as being the cause.

All the while just about everbody knows who has been doing this in Pakistan. But we just cannot get ourselves to admit it, even to ourselves ; after all "they" are the REAL muslims, we of course are the corrupted muslims."

Thanks for the display of cajones.

Too rarely seen in these parts. Plain speaking is a good thing.

 

[Torpedo]

None would simple as that!

This has India written all over it. Afghan border town, no American army/Pakistani army target.

The timing was particularly well chosen. As soon as the Imam said "Allahu Akbar" the bomb went off.

America sleeps while its trusted partner in the war on terror wreaks havoc upon us from American controlled soil!

Wow, great to see it took third post to blame India.

Pakistan's view is really changing.

 

[roadrunner]

Wow, great to see it took third post to blame India.

Pakistan's view is really changing.

Why is India not a suspect? I'd wager myself it was Jihadi Muslims backed by foreign powers across the border that did this.

 

[muse]

Just saying accusing ONE enemy, is just not the way. Take a holistic approach. When you remove cancerous tissue during surgery, the attempt is to not leave an residual tissue behind

Again, you reflect confusion of ideology over experience.

For some reason you seem to think "holistic" has come from Sinai - whereas experience tell us exactly who it is. Will "Cancer" be more ammenable to treatment if we were to refer to it by some other name ?? Will it change from being a cancer to being something benign?? -- kidding oneself is not the same as persuasion - for persuasion one should make an attempt at making sense.

It is very important to call or refer to things by their correct name - calling them "terrorist" only refers to their method, not their ideological motivation and their JUSTIFICATION, of their action.

When surgery is performed to remove cancerous tissue, A "holistic" approach does not require a physician to abandon what he KNOWS from experience, that unless all cancerous cells are dealt with, the threat from the cancer remains.

In Pakistan and among a section of Pakistanis, it has become de rigeur, to deny experience in favor of ideology. How so educated, best of the best, can so delude themselves, can be so affraid to admit the truth, I truely find it devastatingly sad.

 

[belarusian]

for all you know the mosque attack was ordered by bin laden himself.

it would not be a break from family tradition if that were true as i tried to demonstrate.

when you deprive people of their dignity they will often react in such a way as to deprive themselves of whatever remaining dignity they have.

its called a slave revolt. revenge torture sacrilege mutilating corpses. thats what slaves do when they revolt. when slaves (or serfs) revolt. they don't possess the conventional morality that you or I do.

the pakistani state has brutalized and humiliated and stolen from its own citizens to the point where they revolt.

 

[TruthSeeker]

It is very important to call or refer to things by their correct name - calling them "terrorist" only refers to their method, not their ideological motivation and their JUSTIFICATION, of their action.

Muse, Sir. I agree with your sentiment above. But WHO do YOU think did this? What name do you give them? I admit that I am confused. I think that it is the irhabis of the TTP, but I cannot understand why they would do it. Was it a Shia mosque? What is REALLY frustrating is that the GoP does not publicly identify down the culprits who carry out such crimes. Do they (the ISI, GoP, etc.) not know or are they somehow served by silence? I am really perplexed by how this wantonness is ALLOWED to go on and on and on.

 

[muse]

Truth seeker

Al Qaida and it's "super steroidal muslims" has targetted Pakistan for destabilization -- in this effort they are joined by Pakistani Islamist terror groups. Some argue that foreign element have made common cause with these, what ever the truth or not, of this proposition, the fact remains that it is AQ and it's Pakistani enablers who are in the driver's seat.

It may help to review that Al Qaida have perfected the tools of internal destabilization using sectarian violence - this tool was perfected in Pakistan - it may be helpful to look at this act in context.

 

[All-Green]

the pakistani state has brutalized and humiliated and stolen from its own citizens to the point where they revolt.

Hello---i do believe there have been gross mismanagement and corruption in the ranks but brutalization and humiliation to the point of revolt is not what i have observed---afterall i live here

These are very well financed anarchists/miscreants operating in this region and they are aiming to create a safe haven for themselves by using such terror tactics.

It is not at all a case of the common citizens fighting the state; these are quite uncommon individuals who (as a consequence of their actions) can no longer be called citizens of any state as a matter of fact.

 

[belarusian]

if there were no al quaida it would have to be created.

in fact the previous generation of revolutionary terrorists were secular and socialist.

you reap what you sow. you treat your fellow citizens less fortunate than you as property. that's the original sin. does islam teach you to be parasites feeding of the deprivation and misery of others?

 

[All-Green]

if there were no al quaida it would have to be created.

in fact the previous generation of revolutionary terrorists were secular and socialist.

you reap what you sow. you treat your fellow citizens less fortunate than you as property. that's the original sin. does islam teach you to be parasites feeding of the deprivation and misery of others?

I really do not understand what you are trying to imply.

Religion and terrorism are totally opposites but of course a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda will try to portray themselves as fighting for a cause and hence religion is abused.

As a matter of fact there are hundreds of countries with more corruption, deprivation than Pakistan so its not like this is the worst place on the planet which has caused a civil unrest so extreme that people are becoming terrorists. I really do not see where you are going with this point.

Islam does not teach us to be parasites and we are certainly not feeding on the misery of others, we have lots of our own troubles to face so how can you imply that we are watching a torture show from the sidelines?