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Terrorist Executions suspended: Military courts Bill to be Sabotaged in National Assembly

Hi,

When the required instituions are not doing their job right someone has to take charge and provide justice good or bad
I see people every other day and then you say the Army/ISI is doing a great job and need to take over other not so good. Sorry to disappoint you, but don't they need to focus on their jobs more now than ever.
 
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PAT Secretary General Khurram Nawaz Gandapur has said that questions are being raised about national consensus due to non-representation of opposition in the committee constituted by the Prime Minister regarding implementation of national action plan against terrorism. He said that the Prime Minister should immediately send a summary to the President for issuance of Ordinance for the establishment of special courts so that the courts could start their work, adding that consultations may be held later on. He said that the terrorists are getting an opportunity to reorganize and regroup themselves owing to delay in setting up of special courts and conclusion of other critical affairs. He said that time was already given to terrorists to strengthen themselves in the name of dialogue.
PAT seeks Presidential Ordinance for establishment of military courts - Pakistan Awami Tehreek

If the politicians do not do their job properly, then there will be a need for mass street mobilization in the form of long marches or dharnas to put pressure on them.
 
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I see people every other day and then you say the Army/ISI is doing a great job and need to take over other not so good. Sorry to disappoint you, but don't they need to focus on their jobs more now than ever.
Hi,
Your civil leadership is sold out we dont need to prove that, your judiciary is dysfunctional you have religious fanatics everywhere!

When is the last time the civil leadership after mushraf did something good ?
Your Ambasador to Us is a tariotr ( HUSSAIN HAQQANI) your judiciary allowed him to escape in good faith that he wll return to fight *Chuckles*

You had raymond Davis incident and countless more, dont hwy still yiu want to place your bet on these corrupted incompetent elite

This is why the new approach is better. Kill them on sight and save yourself a headache later on.
Hi,

You just spoke my words bro
 
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Congrats to all DEMOCRAZY lovers, DEMOCRAZY has once again harmed Pakistan, the tears of the victims of terrorism have not even dried & the games have started against Pakistan once again by corrupt politicians & friends of rented terrorists.

This just shows how much sincere these corrupt bastards really are with Pakistan, even PTI has joined in the crap. The reason is very simple, these corrupt bastards see their necks in the ropes & this is the sight they can't stand, so just to save themselves from death sentences which they truly deserve they have decided to screw Pakistan again.

Why can't PA say enough is enough, why PA does not want to see all this & why PA is not doing the right thing which is to save Pakistan from all this mess created by politicians?

There will be no victory for PA or any body against rented terrorists, as long as these rented corrupt bastards are sitting in Pakistan & ruling Pakistan there will only be innocent peoples blood & lots of dead young soldiers.

You all will find out the real enemies of Pakistan once Martial Law comes, the air ports will be full of corrupt F**KS.

"If you want to destabilize and destroy a country, all you have to do is create enmity between its people and their army"

"If you want to destroy any nation without war, create adultery or nudity common in the young generation"

“If you want to destroy a country without a war, destroy the young generation”

The world-renowned Muslim Ruler "Salahuddin Ayyubi"

All politicians & their friends have become NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.
 
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Though it sounds ridiculous, especially with the kind of mood people are in......... But there is a chance that the National assembly can discuss this issue in detail and come out with a clear cut plan to deal with this issue, Probably that will be a better solution......
 
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Though it sounds ridiculous, especially with the kind of mood people are in......... But there is a chance that the National assembly can discuss this issue in detail and come out with a clear cut plan to deal with this issue, Probably that will be a better solution......
Sure national congress will keep discussing their croupted plans till each & every Pakistani gets butchered?
 
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This article makes some relevant observations to the topic of this thread:

What SC said about military courts in 1999 - thenews.com.pk

What SC said about military courts in 1999
Usman Manzoor
Tuesday, December 30, 2014
From Print Edition

ISLAMABAD: Though the setting up of military courts has been dubbed by many as the need of the hour, yet the political elite has perhaps forgotten what the Supreme Court in its landmark judgment in 1999 had stated while declaring the then military courts unconstitutional and having being established devoid of any logic.

The Supreme Court, in its judgment PLD 1999 Supreme Court 504, handed down by Ajmal Mian, CJ and other judges namely Saiduzzaman Siddiqui, Irshad Hasan Khan, Raja Afrasiab Khan, Muhammad Bashir Jehangiri, Nasir Aslam Zahid, Munawar Ahmed Mirza, Mamoon Kazi and Abdur Rehman Khan, had stated in 1999 that a parallel judicial system cannot be allowed in the country nor does the Constitution allow it.

The apex court had said that “no patriotic Pakistani can have any sympathy with terrorists who deserve severe punishment, but the only question at issue is, which forum is to award punishment i.e. whether a forum as envisaged by the Constitution or by a military court which does not fit within the framework of the Constitution. No doubt that when a terrorist takes the life of an innocent person, he is violating Article 9 of the Constitution, but if the terrorist, as a retaliation, is deprived of his life by a mechanism other than through due process of law within the framework of the Constitution, it will also be violative of Article 9.”

The judgment reveals that “no circumstances existed in the country which indicated the breaking down of the judicial organ, necessitating the establishment of military courts. It is imperative for the preservation of the state that the existing judicial system should he strengthened and the principle of trichotomy of power is adhered to by following, in letter and spirit, the constitutional provisions and not by making deviation therefrom on any ground whatsoever.”

It further said: “The contention was that establishment of military courts is a temporary phenomenon necessitated by the grave situation created by the terrorists in the city of Karachi and, therefore, establishment of these courts should not be treated as a displacement or substitution of normal judicial process which will stand revived as soon as the present situation is brought under control. On these premises, it was further contended that the setting up of military courts in Karachi be viewed in this perspective and treated as a step to support or revamp the judicial system which had lost its effectiveness in the prevailing circumstances. A government established under the Constitution must not deviate from a constitutional path and must find solution to all its problems within the framework of the Constitution. Therefore, to justify the establishment of military courts, support must be found from the provisions contained in the Constitution.”

Without having an independent judiciary, the fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution will be meaningless and will have no efficacy or beneficial value to the public-at-large, the judgment further said. The following guidelines were provided by the Supreme Court to achieve the required objective:

“(i) Cases relating to terrorism be entrusted to the special courts already established or which may be established under the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997 or under any law in terms of the judgment of Supreme Court in the case of Mehram Ali and others v. Federation of Pakistan (PLD 1998 SC 1445);

(ii) One case be assigned at a time to a Special Court and till judgment is announced in such case, no other case be entrusted to it;

(iii) The concerned Special Court should proceed with the case entrusted to it on a day-to-day basis and pronounce judgment within a period of 7 days as already provided in Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997 or as may be provided in any other law;

(iv) Challan of a case should be submitted to a Special Court after full preparation and after ensuring that all witnesses will be produced as and when required by the concerned Special Court;

(v) An appeal arising out of an order/judgment of the Special Court shall be decided by the appellate forum within a period of 7 days from the filing of such appeal;

(vi) Any lapse on the part of the investigating and prosecuting agencies shall entail immediate disciplinary action according to the law applicable;

(vii) The chief justice of the high court concerned shall nominate one or more judges of the high court for monitoring and ensuring that the cases/appeals are disposed of in terms of these guidelines;

(viii) That the Chief Justice of Pakistan may nominate one or more judges of the Supreme Court to monitor the implementation of the guidelines. The judge or judges so nominated will also ensure that if any petition for leave/or appeal with the leave is filed, the same is disposed of without any delay in the Supreme Court;

(ix) That besides invoking aid of the armed forces in terms of sections 4 and 5 of Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997, the assistance of the armed forces can be pressed into service by virtue of Article 245 of the Constitution at all stages including the security of the presiding officer, advocates and witnesses appearing in the cases, minus the process of judicial adjudication as to the guilt and quantum of sentence, till the execution of the sentence.”

The judgment added that “Supreme Court observed that Court is conscious of the fact that the law and order situation has deteriorated and that the criminal instinct and propensity has penetrated all walks of life so much so even some of the personnel of state functionaries/ agencies, who are entrusted with the duty to protect life, property and honour of citizens, either themselves actively participate in the commission of heinous crimes or they provide protective umbrella to the criminals. Their credibility has been denuded to the extent that victims of crimes usually do not approach them for help and protection to which they are otherwise entitled to as a matter of right under the Constitution. Keeping in view the situation, the offenders, accused of heinous crimes, should not be allowed to escape punishment on mere technicalities if the Court is otherwise satisfied about their guilt.

“A weak agency for detection of crimes and inefficient machinery for prosecution are, inter alia, the cause of delay in disposal of criminal cases and higher percentage of acquittal orders. No doubt, that delay also occurs in disposal of criminal cases on account of lapses on the part of some of the presiding officers, but the main reason seems to be heavy pendency which warrants increase in the strength of the Courts. This has to be streamlined and made more efficient the agency for detection of crimes, the machinery for prosecution and the Courts in order to have better deterrent effect on criminals.

“Contention was that since the military courts dispose of cases quickly and award severe punishments, it was a very effective deterrent factor against commission of crimes hence the convening of military courts validity held, weak agency for detection of crimes and inefficient machinery for prosecution were, inter alia, the cause of delay in disposal of criminal cases and higher percentage of acquittal orders. Delay also occurred in disposal of criminal cases on account of lapses on the part of some of the Presiding Officers, but the main reason seemed to be heavy pendency, which warranted increase in the strength of the courts. Situation had to be, streamlined and made more efficient the agency for detection of crimes, the machinery for prosecution and the Courts in order to have better deterrent effect on criminals.”
 
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no one listens to UN so UN dont matters here. EU has problem with it but not UK, **** EU and their one billion a year GST exemption. grow some balls otherwise those standing on your balls will always be standing on it. I think the main problem here is our "Muslim brothers" and just like real brothers they are always willing to cut your feet.

I am slowly loosing interest in Pakistan, if those who lives there dont care about that country why should I, it doesnt effect my life one bit. Canada Zindabad.
 
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The Supreme Court, in its judgment PLD 1999 Supreme Court 504, handed down by Ajmal Mian, CJ and other judges namely Saiduzzaman Siddiqui, Irshad Hasan Khan, Raja Afrasiab Khan, Muhammad Bashir Jehangiri, Nasir Aslam Zahid, Munawar Ahmed Mirza, Mamoon Kazi and Abdur Rehman Khan, had stated in 1999 that a parallel judicial system cannot be allowed in the country nor does the Constitution allow it.
That would require first and foremost the abolition of the existing 'parallel judicial system' in the form of the Shariah Court' already prevalent in the country.
 
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Here is another article on the subject:

Not the answer - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Not the answer
Faisal Hussain

WHILE the broad consensus between the country’s defence and political forces might have narrowed room for disagreement with the idea of speedy trial courts under military supervision, as a student of law and jurisprudence I consider these courts a violation of the law and Constitution. Not only that, such courts would not be the right solution to the problem of militancy.

It appears that at the multi-party conference (MPC), the responsibility for the Peshawar carnage was placed on the shoulders of the subordinate judiciary in an amazingly knee-jerk reaction. Instead of an attempt to address the problems faced by the anti-terrorism courts, salvation was found in creating a parallel judicial system in the shape of military courts euphemistically referred to as speedy trial courts. The mechanisms to implement 19 out of the 20 MPC points have hardly been discussed.

The idea to try civilians by courts administered by army personnel was first exercised by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, and then by the Nawaz Sharif government in 1998 under the Pakistan Armed Forces (Acting in Aid of The Civil Powers) Ordinance, 1998. The law empowered the army to try the civilians for scheduled offences. The army was further empowered to establish appellate courts to hear appeals against the judgment passed by these courts.

The ordinance was challenged and held unconstitutional by a nine-member bench of the Supreme Court vide a judgment known as the Sheikh Liaquat Hussain case. The apex court’s reasoning was that since the Constitution demanded complete separation of the judiciary and the executive, any endeavour to control the judiciary by the executive would amount to curtailing the independence of the judiciary and violation of the basic structure of the Constitution ie the trichotomy of powers.

The court further held that the word ‘aid’ postulated the continued existence of the authority to be aided, and it did not mean transfer of authority from judiciary to executive. Through a mechanism, appeals against the judgments of trial courts could be heard by the superior judiciary to allow the courts to retain their authority. But the question would still be whether or not, within the framework of the Constitution, a judicial system could be established where the executive (military) could be given adjudicatory powers.

In my opinion, this approach and arrangement are bound to fail. First of all, the Peshawar carnage was not the outcome of pending trials; it resulted from the gross failure of the intelligence and law-enforcement agencies to carry out their duties. Secondly, punishment for the militants including the GHQ attackers was not delayed by the ATCs. The convictions of many terrorists had been awarded by the courts but executions were halted because the PPP government had suspended these, and this moratorium was later extended by the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

While military courts are an undesirable option, we must also underscore the lethargic attitude of the superior judiciary. Even as we ask for accountability of the armed forces and raise questions in reference to incidents such as Mehran, Kamra, Abbottabad and now Peshawar, we must also ask the judges why a quick and effective mechanism pertaining to case management was not developed by the administrative judicial tier to maintain the speedy and effective disposal of the cases.

We must ask why stern actions were not taken against lacklustre, apparently corrupt and pusillanimous judges. The burden squarely lies on the respective high courts that being the administrative courts for the relevant provinces failed to take appropriate actions.

In the Liaquat Hussain case, a senior member of the bench Justice Munawar Ahmed Mirza while highlighting the reasons for the delay in trials had observed that “these factors are adversely eroding the image of the judiciary in the general perception”.

Emphasising on the need to take extraordinary measures he further observed that “it is high time when after combating on the constitutional pedestal for independence of the judiciary, the judicial system … be preserved by shedding … a casual attitude, to ensure speedy redress and fair justice”. It is quite unfortunate that this part of the judgment has been ignored.

We must all realise that the carnage that took place in Peshawar this month was a collective failure of both state and society. Ironically, the resolve to curb terrorism must also lie in collective efforts. This menace cannot be rooted out in two years — the time the military courts would exist as mandated — come what may. The anger and pain we all feel in our hearts must not take away our morals as a nation and as a state. We have to come up with a firm and permanent solution to deal with this problem instead of reacting irrationally.

The writer is a lawyer.
 
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Hi,

Time again its a proven fact that none of these so called Civil institutions care about National Security each one of them are completely unsynchronized and are unaware of ground reality surrounding the picture
Pak Fauj Zindabad
 
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What happens when the people are slowing tilting in favor of the extremists point of view and directly in clash with what the Army is trying to do?

Then what ever befalls the people afterwards, is on their heads. At that point, most would have stopped caring.
 
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Hi,
Your civil leadership is sold out we dont need to prove that, your judiciary is dysfunctional you have religious fanatics everywhere!

When is the last time the civil leadership after mushraf did something good ?
Your Ambasador to Us is a tariotr ( HUSSAIN HAQQANI) your judiciary allowed him to escape in good faith that he wll return to fight *Chuckles*

You had raymond Davis incident and countless more, dont hwy still yiu want to place your bet on these corrupted incompetent elite
Should we keep on rolling our country in circles. We saw the last of everything from civil dictatorship to military dictators. It's bad for the country, one person cannot be right all the time. It's time for us to move forward as a nation and stick to one system and keep improving it no matter how hard the times may be or else we are destined to be doomed.
 
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Then what ever befalls the people afterwards, is on their heads. At that point, most would have stopped caring.

We might be close to that point already.
 
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