Terrorism: An Ideology or a Conspiracy

[Comet]

Let me guess, by hackers you mean amrika..gonna blame amrikka again

You wanna worship "amrika" then go ahead. I stand by my words.

 

[Comet]

Darkness is due to absense of light ,

In case of Pakistan we can say " kuty chooron se meli hui hai"

Yup, sort of the same.

Need to fight this "evil" at two ends. One by cutting their supporting hand and second by bringing awareness.

 

[M8R]

You wanna worship "amrika" then go ahead. I stand by my words.

Yaar you people honestly are weird loot.At one hand you try to say Taliban are religious when we say they are terrorists then you say they're american terrorists funded by RAW so why not let Army kill the scum then?Why do you bring America in everything..It is not america that is being bombed daily by these scums.Look into your own country.America won't give 2 hoots if your country is burning on fire.We need to get our internal state all under government writ..period.

 

[Comet]

Yaar you people honestly are weird loot.At one hand you try to say Taliban are religious when we say they are terrorists then you say they're american terrorists funded by RAW so why not let Army kill the scum then?Why do you bring America in everything..It is not america that is being bombed daily by these scums.Look into your own country.America won't give 2 hoots if your country is burning on fire.We need to get our internal state all under government writ..period.

If you want to talk to me then talk to me. If you want to talk to people then talk to people. Quoting me and talking to people is awkward.

I never said America is responsible alone. Please see my above post.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I have an simple answer to that question of yours. Let US in your territory to fight Al queda and they will go away after the mission is done....

Then there will be no drone attacks and killing of innocent....

That option is simply out of the question, they havent been successful in afghanistan and have created alot of problems there, whats the guarantee that they will succeed here, they cant as the local population will not tolerate any external force.
In a COIN ops the support of the locals is vital for success.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

All great transorfmations require sacrifice. If Pakistan is to prosper in the future, than the blood must be shed. Soldiers must lay down their lives so their childern can walk to school without the fear of being struck by suicide bombers

its not just abt sacrifice. You have to look at both local and international dynamics, unless southwaziristan,,swat,orkzai and bajur settles theres no need to go ahead and indulge in a chaotic war further.
Read post # 34 carefully.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

its not just abt sacrifice. You have to look at both local and international dynamics, unless southwaziristan,,swat,orkzai and bajur settles theres no need to go ahead and indulge in a chaotic war further.
Read post # 34 carefully.

Yes local dynamics must be looked at, and we know very well what the result of 'negotiations with the Taliban' was in Swat - they did not honor the peace deal, did not disarm and disband their militias, continued enforcing their barbaric rules on everyone and started expanding into other districts.

Part of the problem is that the Taliban movement has incorporated all sorts of power hungry and criminal types into its fold. These people are in no mood to give up the power and influence they have when the Taliban rule over an area, and any peace deal will inevitably be sabotaged by them since they stand to lose all that power and influence and possibly be tried for atrocities.

The GoP has laid down, several times, options to surrender and disarm and disband the Taliban militias in exchange for halting military operations. The Taliban have refused to do that - does that not indicate to you what their mindset is? Why do you think the extremists across the country are building links with each other, if this is only a 'Tribal issue'?

This is not a tribal issue and it is not about 'Tribal honor', it is a fight over the control of Pakistan. The Taliban and other extremists supporting them want to replicate the Taliban State in Afghanistan in Pakistan, and no amount of 'negotiations' will deter them from that goal, as we saw in Swat, and as we saw in Afghanistan during the nineties when the Taliban refused to compromise and share power with the other factions, even when Pakistan was pushing them to do so.

The extremist ideology that drives AL Qaeda and the TTP and other extremist organizations simply has no room for compromise and surrender - they think they are fighting a 'Jihad' and a battle in the name of 'Allah'. The only solution is to wipe out through force those that refuse to surrender, while waging an ideological and LEA campaign against the centers that indoctrinate people on this path, while also engaging in developing the most affected areas.

 

[jeypore]

future utopia like grater Indian ideology

Indian Present in Afghanistan is one issue which is a big concern for Pakistan

And that presence in Afghanistan is wonderful for me in terms of strategic value, infact it is same as having a hearing base in Mongolia!!!

Anyways back to discussion, Terrorism is an Ideology that is solely created by Islamic fundamentalist ideologist, which loves to destroy anything that is antagonist. There have been antagonist in religion, but Islamic fundamentalist have taken it a step further by apply it in globalisation form.

These are some simple words from me, but I can go further....

 

[waraich66]

Yes local dynamics must be looked at, and we know very well what the result of 'negotiations with the Taliban' was in Swat - they did not honor the peace deal, did not disarm and disband their militias, continued enforcing their barbaric rules on everyone and started expanding into other districts.

Part of the problem is that the Taliban movement has incorporated all sorts of power hungry and criminal types into its fold. These people are in no mood to give up the power and influence they have when the Taliban rule over an area, and any peace deal will inevitably be sabotaged by them since they stand to lose all that power and influence and possibly be tried for atrocities.

The GoP has laid down, several times, options to surrender and disarm and disband the Taliban militias in exchange for halting military operations. The Taliban have refused to do that - does that not indicate to you what their mindset is? Why do you think the extremists across the country are building links with each other, if this is only a 'Tribal issue'?

This is not a tribal issue and it is not about 'Tribal honor', it is a fight over the control of Pakistan. The Taliban and other extremists supporting them want to replicate the Taliban State in Afghanistan in Pakistan, and no amount of 'negotiations' will deter them from that goal, as we saw in Swat, and as we saw in Afghanistan during the nineties when the Taliban refused to compromise and share power with the other factions, even when Pakistan was pushing them to do so.

The extremist ideology that drives AL Qaeda and the TTP and other extremist organizations simply has no room for compromise and surrender - they think they are fighting a 'Jihad' and a battle in the name of 'Allah'. The only solution is to wipe out through force those that refuse to surrender, while waging an ideological and LEA campaign against the centers that indoctrinate people on this path, while also engaging in developing the most affected areas.

No doubt Al Qaeda agenda is based on extremisim but 60 Million Pushtoon tribes living on both side Pakistan and Afghanistan will never accept western democractic life style ,they have their own life style and culture and traditions.

Basically war in Afghanistan is clash between two different civilization and resistance against the US big game to capture the sea and land trade routes.

How can you expect from GOP to form policies and laws in favour of general public which is fully dependent on IMF and World Bank .

I think after Pakistan's nuke tests in 1998 , neocons and jew zoinist planned to destablize Pakistan , Afghanistan and Middle East.

 

[jeypore]

Yes local dynamics must be looked at, and we know very well what the result of 'negotiations with the Taliban' was in Swat - they did not honor the peace deal, did not disarm and disband their militias, continued enforcing their barbaric rules on everyone and started expanding into other districts.

Part of the problem is that the Taliban movement has incorporated all sorts of power hungry and criminal types into its fold. These people are in no mood to give up the power and influence they have when the Taliban rule over an area, and any peace deal will inevitably be sabotaged by them since they stand to lose all that power and influence and possibly be tried for atrocities.

The GoP has laid down, several times, options to surrender and disarm and disband the Taliban militias in exchange for halting military operations. The Taliban have refused to do that - does that not indicate to you what their mindset is? Why do you think the extremists across the country are building links with each other, if this is only a 'Tribal issue'?

This is not a tribal issue and it is not about 'Tribal honor', it is a fight over the control of Pakistan. The Taliban and other extremists supporting them want to replicate the Taliban State in Afghanistan in Pakistan, and no amount of 'negotiations' will deter them from that goal, as we saw in Swat, and as we saw in Afghanistan during the nineties when the Taliban refused to compromise and share power with the other factions, even when Pakistan was pushing them to do so.

The extremist ideology that drives AL Qaeda and the TTP and other extremist organizations simply has no room for compromise and surrender - they think they are fighting a 'Jihad' and a battle in the name of 'Allah'. The only solution is to wipe out through force those that refuse to surrender, while waging an ideological and LEA campaign against the centers that indoctrinate people on this path, while also engaging in developing the most affected areas.

Some times AGNO you become a Politician....

What is your major?

 

[jeypore]

Muhammad Yahya;908492

No doubt Al Qaeda agenda is based on extremisim but 60 Million Pushtoon tribes living on both side Pakistan and Afghanistan will never accept western democractic life style ,they have their own life style and culture and traditions.

Do you really Know that it is really Pakistans conundrum of solving this problem, they want that border with Pakistanie ideology not your Pushtoon ones...but yet there is a free border so what are you complaining about....

 

[Fracker]

Dear ... even if first opinion is right ... still above quoted arguments are wrong. Even if all the terror planning is made outside, still the actual and front terrorists are insiders and they are Muslims. What really Islam teaches is not the thing to be discussed. Our earlier childhood Islamiat books introduced us a really tolerant view of Islamic Teachings. But many prominant Alims of our country do preach violance. Names of terrorists are like Maaz, Sajid and like etc. etc. Even if the it is a foreign planning,,, still the base camp is local. Foundation is local. Ignorance is local. At the most, it is a vast scale local ignorance ... which is effectively being exploited by foreigners.

This ignorance of our own society is like a tumer ... it is like a cancer (NASOOR) which has demaged all the beauty of our society. Even if we cut this tumer off .... how will we wash its bad impressions on the image of rest of society...???

If it is a foreign planning. We have no complaint with those foreigners. Because it is their task to de-stablize us. Hamain shikayet honi chahiye ghar k chiraghon se...!!!

Regards!

No doubt, internal support for them is hurting us most, but main thing is to realize what exactly is happening around us, and identifying our enemies... Pakistan has done operation in waziristan on fingering of US, at that time there was no attacks inside pakistan, what happen? that created some effectee in waziristan, rumors around the pakistan were circulating like "A person saw light on the hill, and when he went up saw all the "Mytered" (killed by PA Operation) were there... This made the mind set of tribal and other muslims, and the relatives of those people start joining TTP (money was coming from west), some people join TTP just because they couldn't support their family... Same thing happen in Lal Masjid Operation, these both operations were putting fuel into the mess started by Pakistan blind support to US, who was in real the enemy of Pakistan

Without realizing who is your real enemy, how he is using your locals, who are these locals? why they are so keen to fight with pakistan? It will be impossible to stop the terrorism a.k.a. conspiracy started on the basis of 9/11...

WoT is actually, War to Rise Terrorism, and main objective is to destabilize pakistan

 

[waraich66]

Do you really Know that it is really Pakistans conundrum of solving this problem, they want that border with Pakistanie ideology not your Pushtoon ones...but yet there is a free border so what are you complaining about....

Remember most important thing for Pakistanis is idealogy of Pakistan which is based on Islam , western democratic system is contradictory with islamic governance and economic system, that is reason we give sacrifice of million of muslims during independence of Pakistan otherwise what is harm to live with India following western demcracy and economic system .

 

[jeypore]

Remember most important thing for Pakistanis is idealogy of Pakistan which is based on Islam , western democratic system is contradictory with islamic governance and economic system, that is reason we give sacrifice of million of muslims during independence of Pakistan otherwise what is harm to live with India following western demcracy and economic system .

Really, that is not your father of nation (Pakistan) have said...

Western techonlogy and idelogy, Stop using those Rocket Launchers then, they are against your belief afterall. The bottom line is, You and your kind have no ideology besides living in poverty and Religious following, that is your only goal..

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Yes local dynamics must be looked at, and we know very well what the result of 'negotiations with the Taliban' was in Swat - they did not honor the peace deal, did not disarm and disband their militias, continued enforcing their barbaric rules on everyone and started expanding into other districts.

Part of the problem is that the Taliban movement has incorporated all sorts of power hungry and criminal types into its fold. These people are in no mood to give up the power and influence they have when the Taliban rule over an area, and any peace deal will inevitably be sabotaged by them since they stand to lose all that power and influence and possibly be tried for atrocities.

The GoP has laid down, several times, options to surrender and disarm and disband the Taliban militias in exchange for halting military operations. The Taliban have refused to do that - does that not indicate to you what their mindset is? Why do you think the extremists across the country are building links with each other, if this is only a 'Tribal issue'?

This is not a tribal issue and it is not about 'Tribal honor', it is a fight over the control of Pakistan. The Taliban and other extremists supporting them want to replicate the Taliban State in Afghanistan in Pakistan, and no amount of 'negotiations' will deter them from that goal, as we saw in Swat, and as we saw in Afghanistan during the nineties when the Taliban refused to compromise and share power with the other factions, even when Pakistan was pushing them to do so.

The extremist ideology that drives AL Qaeda and the TTP and other extremist organizations simply has no room for compromise and surrender - they think they are fighting a 'Jihad' and a battle in the name of 'Allah'. The only solution is to wipe out through force those that refuse to surrender, while waging an ideological and LEA campaign against the centers that indoctrinate people on this path, while also engaging in developing the most affected areas.

I wholly agree and you never know when the stallion gets mad.But what i believe is It should be a gradual process with going in one,clearing it, holding it, settling it and then handing it over to the civil establishment than going in for the next. This should be the strategy of engagement rather than engaging all at once. I am not at all backing any negotiations but we need to buy some time to gather proper intel, and look into the ground reality and the fact that what could an expanded military campaign cast over our standing in Afghanistan where many hostile forces are operational.We need to contour that as well. On the long term we must make sure that we exploit these groups and soften the target and then go in for a kill ie.; Divide and rule .That is infact what we did in south waziristan.

Further i donot want to discuss the dynamics of Northwaziristan and the military ops there as it demands altogether a separate thread. But i do think that its a hornet's nest which should not be touched in a haste and merely upon external pressure. There has to be along term engagement with the aim of extending Pakistani law and infrastructural development(Schools hospitals and basic facilities) into these areas.

Anybody who gives refuge to Power hungry and Criminal types should be eliminated but with a proper road map of engagement as to inflict minimum losses. PA already has suffered huge casualties , The public is frustrated over every now and then Suicide and Market bombings and terrorist attacks. Under these circumstances expanding a war might result in deterioration of Hard earned Public consensus of going against these militants and considering this war as Our War.