Terrorism: An Ideology or a Conspiracy

[hillman32]

ask taliban , who want to implement sharia.

Talibans are bygone story of Afghanistan.

Why u ppl are adding fuel here ?

This TTP is purely Indian Sponsored.

 

[vishalgutsy]

Talibans are bygone story of Afghanistan.

Why u ppl are adding fuel here ?

This TTP is purely Indian Sponsored.

do u any proof for that ???

i can say the same for kashmir.
but ure opinions , complaints and rants dont matter to us.
we are growing and our citizens knows the truth.

stop blaming others for ure own impotency.

 

[hillman32]

do u any proof for that ???

i can say the same for kashmir.
but ure opinions , complaints and rants dont matter to us.
we are growing and our citizens knows the truth.

stop blaming others for ure own impotency.

I am not blaming - I am telling.

Kashmir is not yours' - for sure - why Nehru went to UNO ?

We are not impotent - we are taking a good care of your sponsored TTP.

 

[vishalgutsy]

I am not blaming - I am telling.

Kashmir is not yours' - for sure - why Nehru went to UNO ?

We are not impotent - we are taking a good care of your sponsored TTP.

ok.. kashmir is urs.
are u happy now..??
now do what u can.

 

[hillman32]

ok.. kashmir is urs.
are u happy now..??
now do what u can.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they have to decide where they will go or get independence.

For TPP, Pak Army is mopping them up very successfully.

Soon you people will be struck with boomerang.

 

[vishalgutsy]

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they have to decide where they will go or get independence.

they already did , last year i guess.
when whole of kashmir participated in the elections , and chose govt. of their wish.

hey, one more thing, baluchistan also belongs to baluchs , and they have to decide where they will go or get independence.

For TPP, Pak Army is mopping them up very successfully.

ya we all know who is mopping whom.

Soon you people will be struck with boomerang.

ya ya ya ... u make me scared...

 

[nForce]

Terrorism is menace.

It is sick mind attitude.

I do not know why neighbours send money, arms and ammunition for creating terrorism in Pakistan ? Why Indian ?

1. In December 1999, the Director of CIA George Tenet and State Department Coordinator for Counterterrorism Michael Sheen testified before a Senate subcommittee that US has evidence that Pakistan is a state-sponsor of terrorism against India.

2. In 2000, State Department=s report on terrorism described Pakistan=s official involvement in terrorism against India, but fell short of adding Pakistan to list of countries sponsoring terrorism because that would have automatically triggered severe sanctions against an old cold-war ally.

3. In 2000, a bipartisan Congressional commission on terrorism recommended to the State Department that sanctions be imposed on Pakistan for its role in terrorism, but this report was ignored.

4. The British government in Spring 2001 put several Pakistan-supported organizations openly engaged in terrorism on the official list of terrorist organizations, to be followed later by the US.

5.Major political parties in Pakistan and Pak media have repeatedly asked Pak governments over the years to break bonds with terrorists and get out of the Kashmir issue, because supporting terrorists has resulted only in increasing Talibanization of Pakistan.

6. Benazir Bhutto, ex-Pak Prime Minister, has said that ISI (Pakistani government's intelligence service) is a force onto itself, and she had no knowledge of what ISI was doing when she was PM.

7.On 11-21-01, the Hon. Mr. Robert D. Blackwill, US Ambassador to India, told the press that Pakistan-supported individuals involved in killings in Kashmir are terrorists and that they are not freedom fighters. No country will be permitted to provide sanctuaries to terrorists. He made similar comments again on 2-27-02.

8. On 11-29-01, the British Parliament was told by the Foreign Office Minister that the British government has told the Pakistani government to cease support to terrorists.

9. Pak Government's direct and obvious involvement in terrorism against India over decades has resulted in 50,000 Hindus being amongst 70,000 innocent civilians killed and 500,000 Hindus fled Kashmir in terror; world has been silent about this ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir.

10. Pakistan press reported in Dec. 2001 that Pak dictator Musharraf was a Director of Rabita Trust, a terrorist organization masquerading as a charity, and US had to warn him to step down before adding this organization to a terrorist list.

11. Pak v. US: CBS News quoted numerous workers to the effect that Osama bin Laden had received his kidney dialysis at their Pak military hospital on the eve of 9-11.

12. An editor of the Karachi Herald wrote that Sheikh Ahmed Omar Saeed, the alleged mastermind behind the abduction of Mr. Daniel Pearl, indicted in US in 1994, operated in Pakistan freely since his release from an Indian prison in exchange for hostages aboard a hijacked Indian airliner.

13. NY Times reported on 2-26-02 that a Pak Army/ISI Brigadier had a role in nurturing Jaish‑e‑ Mohammed, the terrorist organization behind the kidnapping and murder of Mr. Pearl, and suggested that investigations in killing of Pearl would reveal a great deal about ties between terrorists and ISI.


14.Ex-President Musharraf himself admitted to the use of terrorism as a tool so far as the Kashmir issue is concerned.

15.In the most recent Mumbai attacks,Pakistani citizens were involved,the lone terrorist survivor being Ajmal Kasab.Government of Pakistan has admitted that he is a Pakistani.

16.On 9th May 2010, US Attorney General Eric Holder said that evidence shows a Pakistan Taliban group closely allied with al-Qaida was behind the attempted bombing in New York's Times Square.
We all know that a person of Pakistani origin was involved in this bombing attempt.

--well that was roughly for last 10 years..Lot of more data can be found and compiled.But,the roots of terrorism in Pakistan dates back to the time of General zia-ul-Haq.It was his original idea to employ terrorism as a state policy.He also radicalized the education system,and also somewhat modified the judiciary,which all in all gave a more radical outlook to the state.He clearly lacked the insight,as the policies employed by him deep scars to the Pakistani society,spreading the extremist culture countrywide.Now the Frankenstein's monster has come back to haunt its creator.Now the Pakistani people are facing the effects of a policy that went out of hands long before.
Pakistan has a population of roughly 160 million.It is estimated that there are currently 20 million firearms in Pakistan.That makes it about one firearm per eight person, most likely an automatic one.
Now most of these guns came to Pakistan during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,which were meant for mujaheddin fighters,while a large chunk of them were provided the Pakistani Army and ISI.An effective system to control the flow and usage of arms and ammunition was never there.There are even open gun markets in North West Frontier Province of Pakistan,and the government can do little about the flow of weapons.
All these weapons plus an extremist ideology with absolutely no control over the situation and u have got urself a Pandora's box set to open up.
Pakistan is fighting the taliban now for years,due to American pressure,which has created many enemies for the state of Pakistan like the TTP.Nowadays,terrorist attacks on major Pakistani cities is a reality.

It is now up to u,my friend,to determine which way u should choose.Do still want to live in a state of denial,or u want to face the reality???

 

[blueRhino]

Talibans are bygone story of Afghanistan.

Why u ppl are adding fuel here ?

This TTP is purely Indian Sponsored.

Yea you are right and also do you know, Mashood is an Indian, he worked for RAW for the last 140 years.

PA is the master of Conspiracy theories

This is a nice article in NY Times...really funny

[U.S. Is a Top Villain in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk

Supporters of the Islamic political party Jamaat-e-Islami at a rally in Karachi, Pakistan, in February. Pakistani suspicion of the United States is fueled by political parties and media pundits.

By SABRINA TAVERNISE
Published: May 25, 2010

No one seems to know its name, but everyone has an opinion about it. It is powerful and shadowy, and seems to control just about everything in the American government, including President Obama.
“They have planted this character Faisal Shahzad to implement their script,” said Hashmat Ali Habib, a lawyer and a member of the bar association.
Who are they?

“You must know, you are from America,” he said smiling. “My advice for the American nation is, get free of these think tanks.”
Conspiracy theory is a national sport in Pakistan, where the main players — the United States, India and Israel — change positions depending on the ebb and flow of history. Since 2001, the United States has taken center stage, looming so large in Pakistan’s collective imagination that it sometimes seems to be responsible for everything that goes wrong here.

“When the water stops running from the tap, people blame America,” said Shaista Sirajuddin, an English professor in Lahore.

The problem is more than a peculiar domestic phenomenon for Pakistan. It has grown into a narrative of national victimhood that is a nearly impenetrable barrier to any candid discussion of the problems here. In turn, it is one of the principal obstacles for the United States in its effort to build a stronger alliance with a country to which it gives more than a billion dollars a year in aid.
It does not help that no part of the Pakistani state — either the weak civilian government or the powerful military — is willing to risk publicly owning that relationship.

One result is that nearly all of American policy toward Pakistan is conducted in secret, a fact that serves only to further feed conspiracies. American military leaders slip quietly in and out of the capital; the Pentagon uses networks of private spies; and the main tool of American policy here, the drone program, is not even publicly acknowledged to exist.

“The linchpin of U.S. relations is security, and it’s not talked about in public,” said Adnan Rehmat, a media analyst in Islamabad.
The empty public space fills instead with hard-line pundits and loud Islamic political parties, all projected into Pakistani living rooms by the rambunctious new electronic media, dozens of satellite television networks that weave a black-and-white, prime-time narrative in which the United States is the central villain.

“People want simple explanations, like evil America, Zionist-Hindu alliance,” said a Pakistani diplomat, who asked not to be named because of the delicate nature of the topic. “It’s gone really deep into the national psyche now.”

One of those pundits is Zaid Hamid, a fast-talking, right-wing television personality who rose to fame on one of Pakistan’s 90 new private television channels.

He uses Google searches to support his theory that India, Israel and the United States — through their intelligence agencies and the company formerly known as Blackwater — are conspiring to destroy Pakistan.

For Mr. Hamid, the case of Mr. Shahzad is one piece of a larger puzzle being assembled to pressure Pakistan. Why, otherwise, the strange inconsistencies, like the bomb’s not exploding? “If you connect the dots, you have a pretty exciting story,” he said. But the media are only part of the problem. Only a third of Pakistan’s population has access to satellite channels, Mr. Rehmat said, and equally powerful are Islamic groups active at the grass roots of Pakistani society.

Though Pakistan was created as a haven for Muslims, it was secular at first, and did not harden into an Islamic state on paper until 1949. Intellectuals point to the moment as a kind of original sin, when Islam became embedded in the country’s democratic blueprint, handing immense power to Islamic hard-liners, who could claim — despite their small numbers — to be the true guardians of the state.
Together with military and political leaders, these groups wield Islamic slogans for personal gain, further shutting down discussion.

Lawyers in Pakistan have a strong streak of political Islam. Mr. Habib, who has had militants as clients, argues that Al Qaeda is an American invention. Their pronouncements are infused with anti-Semitism, standard for Islamic groups in the region.

“The lobbies are the Jews, maybe some Indians, working in the inner core of the American administration,” said Muhammad Ikram Chaudhry, vice president of the bar association.
Liberals on Pakistan’s beleaguered left see the xenophobic patriotism and conspiracy theories as a defense mechanism that deflects all responsibility for society’s problems and protects against a reality that is too painful to face.

“It’s deny, deny, deny,” said Nadeem F. Paracha, a columnist for Dawn, an English-language daily. “It’s become second nature, like an instinct.”


Mr. Paracha argues that the denial is dangerous because it hobbles any form of public conversation — for example, about Mr. Shahzad’s upper-class background — leaving society unequipped to find remedies for its problems. “We’ve started to believe our own lies,” he said.

For those on the left, that view obscures an increasingly disappointing history. For 62 years, Pakistan has lurched from one self-serving government to the next, with little thought given to education or the economy, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a physics professor at Quaid-i-Azam University. Now Pakistan is dependent on the West to pay its bills, a vulnerable position that breeds resentment.


“We acknowledge to ourselves privately that Pakistan is a client state of the U.S.,” Mr. Hoodbhoy said. “But on the other hand, the U.S. is acting against Muslim interests globally. A sort of self-loathing came about.”

There are very real reasons for Pakistanis to be skeptical of the United States. It encouraged — and financed — jihadis waging a religious war against the Soviets in the 1980s, while supporting the military autocrat Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, who seeded Pakistan’s education system with Islamists.

But Mr. Hamid is more interested in the larger plot, like the secret ownership of the Federal Reserve, which he found on the Internet. After three years of fame, his star seems to be falling. This month his show was canceled, and he has had to rely on Facebook and audio CDs to make his points. But it is not the end of the conspiracy.
“Someone else will be front row very soon,” said Manan Ahmed, a professor of Pakistani history. “It is the mood of the country at the moment.”

 

[waraich66]

dont beat around the bush.
tell me which religion doesnt promote peace ?

if u cant answer , then dont reply.

Example for your understanding

Islam only opposes Riba ( Intrest based economy) ,where the flow of money is from poor to rich , which ultimately destroy the peace of society and causes bloodshed and distraction .

 

[logic]

Terrorism An Ideology or Conspiracy

This expression can better be explained by looking at both sides of the coin.

If you look at the phrase from USA's point of View Terrorism is an Ideology that it has used all through its known history to loot and plunder land and resources. It all started with the Savage Red Indians and is still going on in Iraq Iran Afghanistan Pakistan to name a few.

now if you look at the phrase from Pakistani perspective terrorism is a conspiracy for the establishment and perfection of the "Project for New American Century"

 

[nForce]

Example for your understanding

Islam only opposes Riba ( Intrest based economy) ,where the flow of money is from poor to rich , which ultimately destroy the peace of society and causes bloodshed and distraction .

congrats dude...u just bombarded a very important and indispensable system employed in present World economics known as Banking...Now don't tell me that there are no banks in Islamic nations who deal in interests...to name a few:Al Jazira Bank,Arab National Bank,National Bank of Pakistan etc..

 

[Old School]

Terrorism is a tool which is used to project any kind of ideology in a desperate and sometimes brutal manner. The ultimate result of all terror campaign is doomed to failure. We eventually got independence from the British because of Jinnah , Gandhi and Neheru with their civil manner in contrast to many other terror groups which all ended in failure.

 

[niaz]

Terrorism is a tool which is used to project any kind of ideology in a desperate and sometimes brutal manner. The ultimate result of all terror campaign is doomed to failure. We eventually got independence from the British because of Jinnah , Gandhi and Neheru with their civil manner in contrast to many other terror groups which all ended in failure.

With regret I disagree with you Sir. Terrorism can and does succeed. Communism was based on terror and ruled over USSR for 70 years. Nazis and Hitler came to power thru democratic means but terrorized the whole world for almost 15 years. Same thing happened in Italy.

In modren times Israel is controlling lands occupied in 1967 war thru terror. India is doing the same thing in Kashmir since 1954 (when it was annexed, until then Kashmir had a special position). Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq thru terror so did Shah of Iran and Taliban did the same thing in Afghanistan.

Terrorism therefore does succeed though not in the long term. But in the long term we all be dead.

 

[Bill Longley]

 

[Ahmad]

Example for your understanding

Islam only opposes Riba ( Intrest based economy) ,where the flow of money is from poor to rich , which ultimately destroy the peace of society and causes bloodshed and distraction .

you can simply say that this act of Riba is haram in Islam, you didnt have to give some ridiculouse example of bloodshed. we havent seen the bloodshed in europe, and even if there was bloodshed in the past, it wasnt due to Riba.