Tensions in Indian city of Ayodhya ahead of Babri Mosque verdict

[AfrazulMandal]

Agree with me or not, you just have to realize how retarded you are for throwing around fake numbers and fairy tales.

Every religion on Earth has had it's holy places destroyed or desecrated at one point or another. Monkey worshipers are not special.

The only difference is that you people think that it was done in the name of religion and it was done systematically. In reality it was done due to politics and only selectively. The only religious group in the modern world who destroy holy places are Hindus, destroying Mosques and Churches.

Honestly, watch this video. One of the few sane Indians in the world and he is an actual Dr.
Unlike most hindutva scum who don't even know how to use a toilet.

That is 1, waiting for the next 39,999 picture of proof.

I am a teacher of history. I find it funny when someone uses Ram Puniyani as a historian. He quotes Eaton.

I beg you - please read Eaton yourself. He clearly says 80 major instances of temple destruction not 80 temples destroyed.

The primary motive by this argument - Muslims destroyed temples - is to put Muslims on the backfoot.

My answer to this is simple. Yes, our forefathers destroyed temples as they were capitals of ignorance and superstition and this is the path of the Prophet pbuh. We should never be ashamed about this tradition. We should celebrate our valor and our capability instead of hiding and lying.

Hindus also claim Makkah and especially the Kaaba is a hindu temple. Thats how deluded these people are.

If Hinduism was present in the Arabian peninsula it would be documented. Early Muslims would have most likely interacted with Hindus but such a thing has never happened as the Early Muslims interacted with Arab Pagans or Semitic Polythiests, Jews, Christians and Zoroastians.

The only reason there is no dispute over Mecca is that ALL Arab pagans accepted Islam.

The Muslim rulers of India must share this responsibility. For them ayashi was more important than spreading the faith. We would never have had this conflict.

What if that temple was private,when owner changed his religion he altered place of worship also?


What if someone has private temple and he becomes Muslims?


That's their religion,it's better not to insult it,since insult usually would be paid back by insult and Allah Almighty has clearly directed;
Surah Al-An'am

And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do.[6:108]​

Umm. The firmans exist that allowed this demolition to happen.

Hindus claim this site is important to them as Mecca is to Muslims then Indian Muslims out of goodwill should stop challenging the decision and withdraw their complaint and help Hindus rebuild one of their holiest sites.
Whether its really the birth place of Ram is irrelevant because Ram may or may not have existed but its part of Hindu mythology. Now you could make fun of Hindu mythology but that opens ridicule to every religion and trust me everyone know people would be ready to kill or be killed if their mythology are challenged.

no.

 

[Hindustani78]

high on mata ki pishi?

is mata higher being or ram? or pishi is bigger than all?

Lambs / Sheeps / Bakras are being sacrificed in Deen e Arya since Centuries. Satan is afraid when Lambs / Sheeps / Bakras are being sacrificed in the name of Supreme Creator/OM/Allah. Deen e Islam is the same.

they were mythological heroes fictional lords

But when this is about Demons and Extrocism that time Followers of Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam are the one who fight against the Demons. Isa Ibne Maryam A.S was right that even in the name of saving humanity , invaders should never be helped and Allah never likes that.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Please, allow me to thankyou for a properly crafted piece. Build up is elegant and ending is subtle. Also, kindly, accept a 'spiritual' positive rating... the max I can.

There is one single take away... sublimation of your piece... and indeed... a deep existential angst .. as you correctly spotted. (Whence improved I intend to write on it. Would like to tag you, if you don't mind?)

Do you see as snese of loss of hindu world as well... as a factor in the RSS and its affiliates exaggerated actions/narrative?

South is quite different... especially the architecture. Marker.

Carvings are mind boggeling to be honest... perhaps another time then...

Sometimes, prisons of self are the harshest ones... but then it is Human Condition!

Thank you for your kind words.
Do tag me please, when you have your piece ready...Yes it is a sense of loss that has led RSS and its more wayward affiliates to an exaggerated narrative.Its their descent into pseudoscience that concerns me the most,as that might take muddle the minds of an entire generation...It is not funny to have a split mind. May be somebody like Sadhguru can course correct them slightly. But I have given up the hope for somebody like Vivekananda who had a much better understanding of Western Enlightenment and Western philosophy in general. The coming to terms with a huge loss is something all non-Western societies have to do post European Enlightenment.

 

[Hindustani78]

idol worship is the oldest form of Shirk it started with making idols of religious saint then asking them for help and guidance thats what hinduism is all about

ps: no disrespect to hinduism just my opinion.

Shirk means placing someone on the place of Allah Rabbul Alameen and Here a Person become Mushirk. When Quranic Aayaats are being read , Faristun/Angels do come to give the blessing from Allah Rabbul Alameen. In War Fronts also Faristun/Angels do come to Assist the believer and Fight Along Side the Pious Soldiers Against the Enemy of Deen.

Similar way when Shokas are being read, Dev/Angels/Faristun do come to give the blessing from OM/Allah.

Jihaada is Religious War/DharmaYudh which is being fought by the Forces of Good against the Forces of Evil/Satan/Demon/Dajjal. Who is denying the Hidaayat of Rasool Allah Muhammed sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam ? Those are not Hindustanis nor the Arabs nor the Turks nor the Habash.

 

[paritosh]

I guess for you Religion is 99% symbolism but others might not agree.
Even if we go by your sentiments and symobolism theory you guys have literally 330 million Gods.

Hence every Hindu God requires a landmark because of symbolic or sentimental value and claiming that to be the Mecca of Hinduism is propostrous and nothing but smear and conjecture to support a non existant Temple or idealogy

Mate, you are right in pointing out the complications involved in this. Couple of things....
a) It's not all conjecture, there has been evidence found and provided, which albeit is not substantial tbh.
b) Faith vs faith is a conversation that only goes downhill and a waste of time and has a lot of conjectures
The complication stems from the fact that this issue is polarising not just the hindus and muslims, but also the judiciary and legislation. The PoVs involved increase the complexity manifold and the judiciary, who have the final say in this matter are finding it hard to come to a reconciliation on this that upholds the law and leads to the most prosperous outcome

Its not above controversy, its about the claim of "most important" site for hindus.

That's what the claim is. I am personally happy if we build the four seasons there..

I'm not just talking about post 1947, I'm talking about all of history post Babur's invasion.

The hindus were dominated beyond the sultanate, don't think they could have achieved much.

It didn't, it still controls several peaks in the area.

I think the reason why Kargil was important was because some peaks could provide PA with a direct LoS to the Srinagar highway and cut-off IA troops in the region. The point was to get and advantage there and then force India to negotiate. None of the peaks that the PA holds now, enable the PA to do that. IA deems them insignificant.

Because it's unable to.

For now, which is my point. No cucks, just chess moves.

 

[Hamza913]

The hindus were dominated beyond the sultanate, don't think they could have achieved much.

There were Hindus in the court, Akbar would have been more than willing to facilitate their desire.

IA deems them insignificant.

Point 5353 is the highest peak in the region, and India has attempted to retake these peaks. So I doubt that. And even if they do, that just shows how stupid they are.

For now, which is my point.

Likely for the foreseeable future.

 

[Rusty]

This is Mandir/Masjid Education means Holy Scriptures And Union of India's Establishment has stopped giving Satellites Teachings when this is about Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam. Union of India's Establishment doesn't sell nor let the selling of ilm and Gyan.



Hindus/Indians use toilets since the last 10,000 years and even more. As Adom(Adam) A.S came to Earth (India) from Heavens.



Holy Scriptures are in front of everyone but the Mushrikeens(Disbelievers) always deny the Holy Scriptures.



That word is even linked to Religious History / Itihaas / Tareequn.



Hindu/Indian Nation, Arab Nation, Habash Nation, Seljuk Nation



Tunani's(Greeks), Turani's and Turali's (Safavids) , Mooghuls(Mongols) are Invaders. Afghans(Pashtuns are part of Hindu Nation) Pashtuns Dari Word (Pasht ho huns - Makers of the Huns tribes tried)



Hindus/Indians are Alive Nation because of the Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam.



Doklam war 2017, North Eastern Frontal Agency.



Hindustanis are always united just enemies of Indian Nation understand this slowly after being exposed.



European Union has already got the Answer Straight. This time Indian Air Force Squadrons will be over Europe Mainland.



Since when you become Hindu/Indian ? Your Passport has not been issued by Union of India.

I'm sorry, I could not get past the second line.
I didn't bother reading the rest as you clearly drank too much gao mata today

Indians who do so are naturally dumb and retarded and yes you are correct, with low IQs and practically retarded when attacking Pakistanis and Islam on the internet. Their behavior does not go by unnoticed by other nations. No need to stoop to their level of dumbness. I would like to give Pakistanis more credit when representing Pakistan on a forum visited by other nationalities

Have you ever read a youtube video comment section infested with them? how about reddit?
The only way to truly get rid of rats is not by kissing them, but by using poison.

 

[dani92]

There were Hindus in the court, Akbar would have been more than willing to facilitate their desire.



Point 5353 is the highest peak in the region, and India has attempted to retake these peaks. So I doubt that. And even if they do, that just shows how stupid they are.



Likely for the foreseeable future.

If Akbar did that wouldn’t the Muslims revolt against him and call him infidel

 

[Vikki]

I am a teacher of history. I find it funny when someone uses Ram Puniyani as a historian. He quotes Eaton.

I beg you - please read Eaton yourself. He clearly says 80 major instances of temple destruction not 80 temples destroyed.

The primary motive by this argument - Muslims destroyed temples - is to put Muslims on the backfoot.

My answer to this is simple. Yes, our forefathers destroyed temples as they were capitals of ignorance and superstition and this is the path of the Prophet pbuh. We should never be ashamed about this tradition. We should celebrate our valor and our capability instead of hiding and lying.


The only reason there is no dispute over Mecca is that ALL Arab pagans accepted Islam.

The Muslim rulers of India must share this responsibility. For them ayashi was more important than spreading the faith. We would never have had this conflict.


Umm. The firmans exist that allowed this demolition to happen.


no.

Sad to see a teacher speaking in such a tone...Mohammad lived 1400 years ago among desert tribes..the times were entirely different...You claim yourself to be an Indian...Can you come out in open and say whatever you said here in public?A teacher is expected to be an example for his students...
Hiding behind the internet anonymity and spewing such hatred and violence is uncharacteristic of a teacher...
What is even more repulsive is you are talkibg against your own country men just because they are not from your religion.
You are a sample piece of an average indian muslim..talkz one thing in public and another in closed doors..this is the reason there is hate for muslims in india.
When you cant respect others religious feelings , how can you expect them to respect yours? Their religion is as much true for them as is yours to you.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Sad to see a teacher speaking in such a tone...Mohammad lived 1400 years ago among desert tribes..the times were entirely different...You claim yourself to be an Indian...Can you come out in open and say whatever you said here in public?A teacher is expected to be an example for his students...
Hiding behind the internet anonymity and spewing such hatred and violence is uncharacteristic of a teacher...
What is even more repulsive is you are talkibg against your own country men just because they are not from your religion.
You are a sample piece of an average indian muslim..talkz one thing in public and another in closed doors..this is the reason there is hate for muslims in india.
When you cant respect others religious feelings , how can you expect them to respect yours? Their religion is as much true for them as is yours to you.

Truth is bitter. I offer the red pill.

Its not above controversy, its about the claim of "most important" site for hindus.

Who cares if the place is actually the most important plcae for hindus? We will return it?

What will we do if pagans claim the Kaaba?

The blood spilt and the sacrifices made to win them has no value?

 

[Nityam]

Truth is bitter. I offer the red pill.

Who cares if the place is actually the most important plcae for hindus? We will return it?

What will we do if pagans claim the Kaaba?

The blood spilt and the sacrifices made to win them has no value?

I applaud your honesty.

If value is to be measured by the "blood spilt and sacrifices made" then Hindus would win hands down. By an incredible margin.

The last time this method was used to measure "value" was during Godhra Train burning and then BJP's true "Value" was revealed. So much so that they won a second term to rule India with a bigger thumping majority, just took 12 years for that value to be released and unleashed.

Be careful what you wish for, because gods just might grant you your wish.

 

[Ashwasthama]

Agreed, but works both ways now doesn't it ?

Ohhh sure sure. If any temple is build over destroying mosque, it should be handed back to respective religious body.

What if that temple was private,when owner changed his religion he altered place of worship also?

Then you should not have any problem if we change it with our ownership now.

 

[Hindustani78]

I didn’t deny that many mosques were built from Spain to India but the thing no one can’t deny that many mosques were religious buildings of many religions I also explained the differences that Spain was already Christian than Muslims invaded it and the Christian retook what theirs

Greeks invaded Balad e Shaam and Falastin some 2000 years ago during the time of Isa Ibne Maryam A.S.

Actually Lamb sacrificial Altars were Establishment to defeat the Satan/Asur/Iblis.

Sheeps Sacrifices were carried out in Ancient India and are Mentioned in Scriptures such as the Yajurveda, In Southern Indian States and most Notably Performed in Devals. Vedic Indian practiced Various Rituals or Sacrifices, which were known as Vedi.

Each Sacrifice involved an intention/Niyyatun, an Altar, Sacrificial Offerings of Various Kinds Utensils, Sacred Fire , one or more Officiating Priests (Purohit), Gifts (Dakshina/Hadiya) for the Priests and Guests, Expiation Ceremony and other Concluding Rituals. Sacrificial Rituals were performed in Open or in a House, Mandirs/Devals, Palace or a Temporary Structure built for the Purpose. Animals such as sheep are sacrificed.

 

[Ashwasthama]

Agree with me or not, you just have to realize how retarded you are for throwing around fake numbers and fairy tales.

Every religion on Earth has had it's holy places destroyed or desecrated at one point or another. Monkey worshipers are not special.

The only difference is that you people think that it was done in the name of religion and it was done systematically. In reality it was done due to politics and only selectively. The only religious group in the modern world who destroy holy places are Hindus, destroying Mosques and Churches.

Honestly, watch this video. One of the few sane Indians in the world and he is an actual Dr.
Unlike most hindutva scum who don't even know how to use a toilet.

That is 1, waiting for the next 39,999 picture of proof.

When we shall reclaim that, I will post other pictures.

 

[Nityam]

Sad to see a teacher speaking in such a tone...Mohammad lived 1400 years ago among desert tribes..the times were entirely different...You claim yourself to be an Indian...Can you come out in open and say whatever you said here in public?A teacher is expected to be an example for his students...
Hiding behind the internet anonymity and spewing such hatred and violence is uncharacteristic of a teacher...
What is even more repulsive is you are talkibg against your own country men just because they are not from your religion.
You are a sample piece of an average indian muslim..talkz one thing in public and another in closed doors..this is the reason there is hate for muslims in india.
When you cant respect others religious feelings , how can you expect them to respect yours? Their religion is as much true for them as is yours to you.

He IS setting an example to his students.

Just not the example you WISH him to set. His values are not the same as your values.

How is him talking disparagingly about Indian hindus any different from muslims refusing to hand over Ram Janma bhoomi land to Hindus to highlight their contempt for Hindu values and sentiment ? Talk is cheap, so his talk is the least of our problem.

He does not want "mutual" respect, his desire is to earn that respect at the tip of the sword or a gun. The islamic way. Nothing new or strange about it. Maybe you are the one in denial.