Tension along Tamabil border

[DADU]

I would not go too far into friendship with those who pretend to be pro Pakistanis.

Where were they when the chips were down?

They are all opportunists.

They find themselves isolated and they pretend love for Pakistan.

Then they will be the ones who will backstab.

It is better to have people who are straight. At least, you know where they stand.

I would like to believe in the adage - Once bitten, twice shy!

You have Bangladeshi friends, I have Bangladeshi students and they are all great chaps!

Most Bangladeshis know what is good for them. I am all for Bangladesh doing well. History is the past. Future is what beckons.

Do not go by this whimpering and some kowtowing about religious affinity that you see out here to think they are the true representatives of Bangladesh.

At least the Bangladeshi I know and have met, even in Bangladesh itself, are quite confident of themselves and do not whine or whimper as you see out here.

That is why I find it very amusing when I see these good fellows!!

(1) thats true and you have my thx for that.

However there are "Two Sides To Every Story"

As for the rest i remain Cautious as always.
Hopefully things can improve out between the 3 three countries if not today then tomorrow.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

(1) thats true and you have my thx for that.

However there are "Two Sides To Every Story"

As for the rest i remain Cautious as always.
Hopefully things can improve out between the 3 three countries if not today then tomorrow.

If Dadu means wise, you are living up to your moniker!

 

[kobiraaz]

Former BDR chief Maj Gen. FazlurRahman, a veteran of a border skirmish with the Indian border security forces (BSF) over the control of Padua at Sylhet Tamabeel border in 2001 said Indian forces in fact came to the spot initially to support the training of freedom fighters in 1971 at a camp set up inside the country. Now they have claimed the land and the India friendly government of Sheikh Hasina is reportedly handed over without telling anything to the nation. He said we liberated the country but lost part of the territory now to the forces which came to help us.

Fazlur Rahman said the Indian forces continued their presence in the camp even after the liberation taking advantage of the friendly relations. Political leadership at that time ignored the presence without anticipating that it may one day cost the nation's ownership over the land
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The Anandbazar Patrika report said the government has ceded 220 acres of land at Padua along with 33 acres at Naljuri and 8 acres at Linkhaat border. It said Bangladesh border security forces had forcefully occupied the land during the liberation war and afterwards and all subsequent governments in Dhaka have declined to entertained the Indian claims over the land.

Since coming to power, the government of Sheikh Hasina decided to resolve all outstanding issues with India and the handover of land at Padua and two other places took place recently as part of this resolve, the report said.

Fazlur Rahman dismissed the Indian claim that BDR had forcefully occupied the land. He said the border pillars in the area were laid during the Pakistani days and we only claim the ownership of land inherited from the past within these pillars
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How could it be possible that BDR forcefully occupied the Indian land and moved out pillars inside India and it maintained silence at the time of such occupation, he wondered. He said the Padua camp which India held in its hand is located inside 1.25 km of the international border. As BSF continued their presence, the former BDR had made inspection to original pillars; which is part of its border patrolling responsibility, to advanced locations from both sides of the India held camp leaving it behind within Bangladesh.

He said the initial dispute flared up when BSF made an attempt to build a feeder road over the no-man's land connecting the camp with one of their nearby border outposts about 10 km away. He said BDR resisted the move in a protracted border war in which BSF landed a surprise attack with a brigade capacity but they were severely beaten back. They then attacked BDR outpost at Roumari in an attempt to hit back but also lost the bid
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He said, Bangladesh maintained its hold on Padua all along after the border war. The Indian government then invited Bangladesh government to a meeting in which claims made by both sides were discussed. The meeting decided that a final settlement of the dispute may be reached when the Indira-Mujib agreement will be finally implemented. He wondered how the present government can surrender the land now without working out all outstanding disputes, why it did not even wait until all such issues were resolved.

Gen Ibrahim wondered why the government is handing over the border land unilaterally and moreover, what is the status of Bangladesh's claims at other border points. The government should ensure transparency and clear all such mysteries, he argued.

BGB sources said Bangladesh has claims over several hundred acres of land at Kustia and Rajshjahi zones, besides other spots at other places and the initial arrangement was that, joint survey teams would identify the areas in the first place and the exchange would take place then on the basis of a political decision in the second phase. Now Bangladesh's claims appears to have been passed unheeded.

Former Chief of Bangladesh Army and now a member of BNP standing Committee Gen. Mahbubur Rahman said Padua issue came up for discussion with Indian BSF chief Ashwani Kumar in 1989 at the annual conference of the two countries border forces in Delhi.

He said in that meeting India agreed to Bangladesh's claim on the land from documentary evidences and even Kumar agreed to remove the structures from the spot. The decision was recorded in the agreed minutes of the meeting and is still available. But it was not later followed up.

Surprisingly BGB chief Anwar Hossain last week denied altogether the handing over of the border land at Tamabeel zone saying such things are scheduled to take place under Indira-Mujib agreement and to be sealed during Dr Manmohan's visit. One would only wonder if he told it knowingly or without knowledge of what is happening in the ground.

Fazlur Rahman, said as far as he understands, besides the disputed enclaves, the total of adversely possessed land from both sides may stand at three to four thousand acres. Bangladesh may get roughly 17,000 acres against losing about 7,000 acres to India under the enclaves exchange deal. Here why unilateral piecemeal settlement has been resorted to, he wondered.

GIVE ME A GUN AND LET ME ENTER INTO THE PARLIAMENT !

i wish we had more Army officers like Maj Gen. FazlurRahman

 

[Tshering22]

GIVE ME A GUN AND LET ME ENTER INTO THE PARLIAMENT !

i wish we had more Army officers like Maj Gen. FazlurRahman

If that had happened at the level in which he says, it would have been a war already, mate. Don't get too excited about the intensity. It can be inflated as well to glorify one's own position.

 

[LURKER]

why is it that in bd sources i always see bdr beat the sh!t out of bsf

 

[kobiraaz]

why is it that in bd sources i always see bdr beat the sh!t out of bsf

2001 Indian

 

[Al-zakir]

2001 Indian

Dalal Awami systematically destroy the legendary BDR. Not it's just guard. Lion has been demoted to cat.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The BSF is a police force nor can they muster a brigade size force since they are all deployed and do not have reserves to muster and then use such a force to attack.

Mortar fire does not mean a Brigade sized attack!

A Brigade attack is no joke. It would require artillery.

It would require reserves in each axis of attack.

It is not a football match where the whole lot goes charging at the opposite goal!

It is nice to learn that BD Generals wanting to build up a 'warrior' like hero image with bunkum stories.

Good to know that the BDR is a 'legendary' force!!

Legend is a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners. Legends tend to exaggerate as the statement of BDR being a 'legendary' force! What are the great heroics that have made them a legend?

 

[saleen_s7]

The BSF is a police force nor can they muster a brigade size force since they are all deployed and do not have reserves to muster and then use such a force to attack.

Mortar fire does not mean a Brigade sized attack!

A Brigade attack is no joke. It would require artillery.

It would require reserves in each axis of attack.

It is not a football match where the whole lot goes charging at the opposite goal!

It is nice to learn that BD Generals wanting to build up a 'warrior' like hero image with bunkum stories.

Good to know that the BDR is a 'legendary' force!!

Legend is a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners. Legends tend to exaggerate as the statement of BDR being a 'legendary' force! What are the great heroics that have made them a legend?

Should I remind you who pointed out the "legend" that BSF always whips BDR? That is a "legend", but our claims are backed with sources. Amusing how you discard any incident which doesn't suite your political belief as a hoax. You take the "state of denial" and the use of "circular logic" to another level.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Should I remind you who pointed out the "legend" that BSF always whips BDR? That is a "legend", but our claims are backed with sources. Amusing how you discard any incident which doesn't suite your political belief as a hoax. You take the "state of denial" and the use of "circular logic" to another level.

Do indicate where I have pointed out the BSF is a legend.

And in what context, if indeed I have stated it so.

Not a state of denial, a state of wonderment at an exaggeration that is militarily extraordinary and if true, should be studied by all military people the world over.

I do not discard the event.

It would have been best a border exchange with mortars.

 

[saleen_s7]

Do indicate where I have pointed out the BSF is a legend.

And in what context, if indeed I have stated it so.

Not a state of denial, a state of wonderment at an exaggeration that is militarily extraordinary and if true, should be studied by all military people the world over.

I do not discard the event.

It would have been best a border exchange with mortars.

why is it that in bd sources i always see bdr beat the sh!t out of bsf

It is nice to learn that BD Generals wanting to build up a 'warrior' like hero image with bunkum stories.

It is a very well documented event and directly challenges your country men's mentality that BSF is dominant over BDR. Anyways, peace

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

It is a very well documented event and directly challenges your country men's mentality that BSF is dominant over BDR. Anyways, peace

BSF personnel are all over the frontier and are changed regularly. The same personnel also get deployed along Rajasthan, Punjab, Kashmir IB too!

They have operational service since at least along the Kashmir LC, there is always border firing as also insurgency and so they have operational experience. Compare that with BDR. Operational experience is an important factor.

It is like firing a actual rifle at the range and firing a 'rifle' at the computer games parlour!

Or flying an aircraft actually and flying the same aircraft on the computer using Microsoft Flight Simulator!

why is it that in bd sources i always see bdr beat the sh!t out of bsf

I am not the Indian rep on PDF wherein you can attribute other's post to me having said so.

It is nice to learn that BD Generals wanting to build up a 'warrior' like hero image with bunkum stories.

Yes militarily, it is an extraordinary claim.

If it is well documented, do let us know where it has been documented so that one can learn.

The link of wikipedia that was appended does not give the details of the so called 'brigade attack'!