Tejas Mark II – Aeronautical Development Agency needs to have realistic goals

[[Bregs]]

Hi,

No sir, this is not right way to say it. Men in uniform should never be disgraced as such.

After all they are the one, to whom you will fall back at times of need. they are ready to give their life, so that you can sleep well at night.

As i have said previously, they know their threats better than a PSu and hence requiring a bit of change in face of current in no wrong thing. All they want to ensure is that they have good quality stuff when it comes to defending their beloved country.

You wouldn't say such for Navy, because Navy is quite satisfied with what they re getting locally. But in case of Air Force., they're not getting the right equipment which is based on their requirements

You are right but the mark1 tejas must be inducted without delay as it meets there all the past parameters, but still not issued clearnace to join and now postponed till march 16

 

[ayesha.a]

Hi,

No sir, this is not right way to say it. Men in uniform should never be disgraced as such.

After all they are the one, to whom you will fall back at times of need. they are ready to give their life, so that you can sleep well at night.

As i have said previously, they know their threats better than a PSu and hence requiring a bit of change in face of current in no wrong thing. All they want to ensure is that they have good quality stuff when it comes to defending their beloved country.

You wouldn't say such for Navy, because Navy is quite satisfied with what they re getting locally. But in case of Air Force., they're not getting the right equipment which is based on their requirements

It is my belief that it is a false impression being formed that the IAF does not want the Tejas. What alternate do they have anyway, even if they don't like it?

The IAF is asking for Rafales, yes. But the Tejas still has a role to play, it's not one or the other. I'm sure that the IAF has never said they don't want the Tejas.

Note that most of these articles that make it into a "should we buy foreign or should we go indigenous" are not written by professionals, either from the IAF or from ADA/HAL. All these articles, including this one, are written by bloggers and journalists.

I am yet to see any IAF person speaking in that manner - making it sound like a choice between foreign stuff and Tejas. That's a false choice, the fact is that the IAF needs both. They cannot form all their squadrons with Rafales and MKIs - not unless they get an additional 10 billion dollars every year, for purchase as well as operational expenditure. They also cannot have only Tejases - the technology gap with China would be very large, in such a scenario.

 

[salarsikander]

You are right but the mark1 tejas must be inducted without delay as it meets there all the past parameters, but still not issued clearnace to join and now postponed till march 16

HI,

Then, you could provide us with link of parameters set by IAF, which TEJAS has met, because as far as i know they do fall short some critical things cant remember where i read it. So it is not right to say it has met all the requirement. IAF is not some third rate force which will knowingly accept equipemts which fall short of their standards.

Hence, if it hasn't received clearance, that means it is somewhere falling short of their stringent requirements

 

[[Bregs]]

HI,

Then, you could provide us with link of parameters set by IAF, which TEJAS has met, because as far as i know they do fall short some critical things cant remember where i read it. So it is not right to say it has met all the requirement. IAF is not some third rate force which will accept knowingly equipemts which fell short of their standards.

Hence, if it hasn't received clearance, that means it is somewhere falling short of their stringent requirements

Mark1 has met all conditions set by IAF i am not a technical knowledge man but some other indian members may tell you in detail, IAF will rest only till they get 80 rafales assurances uptill then the tejas induction might drag and when deal for 36 will be signed in next 2 months you will see the option to buy more for a specified period

 

[salarsikander]

You are right but the mark1 tejas must be inducted without delay as it meets there all the past parameters, but still not issued clearnace to join and now postponed till march 16

HI,

Then, you could provide us with link of parameters set by IAF, which TEJAS has met, because as far as i know they do fall short some critical things cant remember where i read it. So it is not right to say it has met all the requirement. IAF is not some third rate force which will accept knowingly equipemts which fell short of their standards.

Hence, if it hasnt recevived clearance, that means it is somewhere falling short of their stringent tests

It is my belief that it is a false impression being formed that the IAF does not want the Tejas. What alternate do they have anyway, even if they don't like it?

The IAF is asking for Rafales, yes. But the Tejas still has a role to play, it's not one or the other. I'm sure that the IAF has never said they don't want the Tejas.

Note that most of these articles that make it into a "should we buy foreign or should we go indigenous" are not written by professionals, either from the IAF or from ADA/HAL. All these articles, including this one, are written by bloggers and journalists.

I am yet to see any IAF person speaking in that manner - making it sound like a choice between foreign stuff and Tejas. That's a false choice, the fact is that the IAF needs both. They cannot form all their squadrons with Rafales and MKIs - not unless they get an additional 10 billion dollars every year, for purchase as well as operational expenditure. They also cannot have only Tejases - the technology gap with China would be very large, in such a scenario.

Hi,

A prefect and well-rehearsed thought from you.

Tejas is meant to replace around half of fleet as you mentioned, which means a half of the strength to protect the airspace will come from tejas, right? You will not send fully loaded MKI's too check for aerial incursions, they are best suited for deep penetration strikes.

Having said that, that means Tejas is crowned with a very big responsibility and so it has to meet the well placed stringent requirements set by IAF. I am sure IAF is not expecting tejas to become like Rafaels but they are not expecting it fall short of mig21 breed too. Hence if they have any reservation, it is fully justified.

Tejas will be tasked with IAF's half strength. A BIG responsibility on TEJAS shoulders

 

[ayesha.a]

Our flop aircraft, is out in the world -- performing in different airshows, gaining positive reviews, going in different exercises both domestic and against the PLAAF -- a[/B][/U]

Except that it isn't your aircraft, is it? By that logic, "our" Su-30s, mig-21s, mig-27s, jaguars etc have been doing all that for ages. Not to mention, fighting wars. Our MKIs have even participated in Red flag and fought mock combats with the US, French, British, Singaporean and a lot more air forces. They were all built in India, just as the JF-17s were built in Pakistan, which is Pakistan's only claim on it.

The JF-17, as somebody pointed out before, was designed and developed in China. Pakistan is simply assembling, or at best, manufacturing it. India has assembled and manufactured thousands of fighters. Pakistan has assembled/manufactured about 50.

Oh BTW, the Tejas has also participated in air shows. Here is the latest:

 

[salarsikander]

Mark1 has met all conditions set by IAF i am not a technical knowledge man but some other indian members may tell you in detail, IAF will rest only till they get 80 rafales assurances uptill then the takas induction might drag and when deal for 36 will be signed in next 2 months you will see the option to buy more for a specified period

Hi,
Sir rafael has not got anything to do with Rafel. lets make it clear here.

Both of them are in two distinctive categories of roles. Think of rafel as more of a Special forces where as TEjas is your regular infantrymen tasked with huge responsibility

The JF-17, as somebody pointed out before, was designed and developed in China. Pakistan is simply assembling, or at best, manufacturing it. India has assembled and manufactured thousands of fighters

Hi,

lest not de rail the thread by bring f-17 here, you can join the debate on its thread since you're quite ill-informed about the project

 

[[Bregs]]

Hi,
Sir rafael has not got anything to do with Rafel. lets make it clear here.

Both of them are in two distinctive categories of roles. Think of rafel as more of a Special forces where as TEjas is your regular infantrymen tasked with huge responsibility

only time will answer how govt will manage this issue of these 2 fighters because they have changed the both deals.

 

[ayesha.a]

Hi,

Hi,

lest not de rail the thread by bring f-17 here,

Fair enough. But please tell that to your countryman too, I was only responding to his boasts about the JF-17.

 

[salarsikander]

Fair enough. But please tell that to your countryman too, I was only responding to his boasts about the JF-17.

Hi,

Lets keep the discussion for the sake of learning and sharing valuable information and not to score some brownie points.

You can always report the post and use the very same example to the poster who is trying to derail the topic

 

[abdulbarijan]

Except that it isn't your aircraft, is it? By that logic, "our" Su-30s, mig-21s, mig-27s, jaguars etc have been doing all that for ages. Not to mention, fighting wars.

The JF-17, as somebody pointed out before, was designed and developed in China. Pakistan is simply assembling, or at best, manufacturing it. India has assembled and manufactured thousands of fighters.

Oh BTW, the Tejas has also participated in air shows. Here is the latest:

Aero "INDIA" --- nuff said --

as far as JFT is concerned, umm I dont recall IAF forming the design philosophy, dictating the very basis of the aircraft, then going in and aiding in with the design, with its experience on other platforms, then supporting and in many cases giving inputs in many subsystems of the project --- having stakes in the exports of the aircraft and marketing the aircraft at different stages around the world -- that is what make it ours (JFT), because we have done all the above -- and you can refer to the info pool thread if your genuinely interested ..

The case with the entire Mirage,Mig and SU series in IAF is IAF going to Russia, France and tailoring specific jets to its needs, nothing in the conception arena -- the LCA is yours in that regard, however for something that is supposed to be indigenous, it still has Dassault's design inputs -- and other foreign contents as mentioned before ...

AERO-India It is second largest air show in the world after Paris Air Show.
Aero India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Point being, it never went to any foreign air show of any kind -- while the other has been in Uk, France, China & Turkey and has had positive reviews with interests from different parties and as it seems has gained its first export order as well ..

 

[NKVD]

Aero "INDIA" --- nuff said --

AERO-India It is second largest air show in the world after Paris Air Show.
Aero India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Skywalker]

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Kiyoun sajid kal bori me in shit kertay ho.

So? Can your country design even an airframe? At least the airframe is ours, which is what is being tested so thoroughly. So is the FBW system, the cockpit, and a lot more. It may not be mmuch, but it is a lot more than your country can do in another generation. BTW, the gripen's engine, radar, weapons etc are also foreign - and yet the Swedes seem to think that the Gripen is a Swedish aircraft. Silly them!

Do you know who the third biggest weapons importer is? It's your baap, China!!! Until 2007-2008, they were the biggest importer, for a long long time. That didn't stop you from worshiping them as your current lord and saviour, did it? India has one of the largest militaries in the world, an so has a large import bill. Pakistan spends more than India in importing, when looked at as a percentage of total aquisition.

So you fail in that too.



I know, but it was worth it.



Do you, really? Let's see:

More than 40m Pakistanis defecate openly: Unicef - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Lack of toilets tied to stunted growth in Pakistan: UNICEF - The Express Tribune

UNICEF warns lack of toilets in Pakistan tied to stunting - Yahoo News

Millions In Pakistan Lack Toilet Access

The dirty truth: 41 million Pakistanis without toilets - Blogs - DAWN.COM

World Toilet Day: Lack of sanitation kills 40,000 children in Pakistan annually - The Express Tribune

Typical Pakistanis, mocking India about something, as if they are any better. "Many Indians don't have toilets, hahaha, although many Pakistanis don't either, but still hahaha."

"India is facing difficulty with Tejas, hahaha, Pakistan cannot even make a moped engine, but still India hahaha."

You are a delusional Indian ..haha...living in a fools paradise called India..haha

 

[[Bregs]]

Mark 1 induct kiya nahi and now talking abt mark 2

 

[itachiii]

Hi,
perhaps then the Tejas as A complete combat aircraft can be scrapped, but the project of developing Tejas into technological demonstrator is something that can be looked at. To develop and mature other hi tech goodies of fighter jet, such as one you previously mentioned

give me one good reason to scrap the project.. jst one.. there is a confirmed order of 40 mk 1 planes from IAF. HAL already delivered an aircraft to IAF and in the month of december 3 more tejas planes are going to be delivered. FOC is stated to be achieved in December 2015/march 2016. meanwhile HAL and ADA are already working on an improved version of mk 1 fighter with aesa radar and on mk 2 aircraft. the plane is completely fine and is all set to fly in tri colours under the command of IAF.