You do realise he is trolling
they always trolling ,that is chinese
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You do realise he is trolling
True..waiting for Agni V canister based launch.2013 has been a dream run for Indian defense forces
J-10B is quite far away as delays are still there.J-10B replaces F-16 Block 52+, and is quite a big bigger than JF-17 Block 1.
I'm waiting for Nirbhay.True..waiting for Agni V canister based launch.
True..waiting for Agni V canister based launch.
Agni V test in this december,is it correct?
Noted mr troll. Feel free to vacate this thread now
The workload of LCA and JF 17 will be very different, since both air forces are very different. JF 17 brings total operational freedom to PAF, with roles and capabilities that the F16s couldn't offer. LCA on the other side will come at the low end of a force with MKIs and Rafales on the high end, which will take over all main roles in A2A AND A2G. That doesn't leave much for other fighters, except of air policing roles, or CAS and even here, there will be upgraded M2Ks and Mig 29s in competition to the LCA, not to mention that drones will get more and more importance and the delays of LCA will make it arrive nearly when these are available too. Recon and light CAS roles will be gone for fighters like LCA.
2013 has been a dream run for Indian defense forces
Do anybody think LCA MK2 can take on J10b?
Anyway, LCA is much better than Mig-21 for sure.
General characteristics OF SU-30MKI
Performance
- Crew: 2
- Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
- Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
- Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
- Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
- Empty weight: 18,400 kg[84] (40,565 lb)
- Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
- Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
- Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,500 lbf) each
Armament
- Maximum speed: Mach 2.35[85] (2,500 km/h or 1,550 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[82]
- Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi)at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
- Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refueling)
- Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
- Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
- Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.
- Guns: 1 × GSh-30-1 gun (30 mm caliber, 150 rounds)
Air-to-air Missiles:
Air-to-surface Missiles:
- 10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
- 10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
- 6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
- 6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
- 2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
- 2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
- 6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
- 3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Bombs:
- 3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
- 3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
- 4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
- 1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
- 1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
- 6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
- 6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
- 4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
- 4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
- 8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
- 3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
- 8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
- 28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
- 32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
- 8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs
General characteristics OF RAFALE
Performance
- Crew: 1–2
- Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
- Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
- Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
- Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
- Empty weight:
- C: 9,500 kilograms (20,900 lb)
- B: 9,770 kilograms (21,540 lb)
- M: 10,196 kilograms (22,480 lb[183])
- Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb)
- Max. takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb)
- Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
- Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
- Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
- Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,360 lb) internal
Armament
- Maximum speed:
- High altitude: Mach 1.8 (1,912 km/h, 1,032 knots)
- Low altitude: Mach 1.1 (1,390 km/h, 750 knots)
- Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi)
- Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi)on penetration mission
- Service ceiling: 15,235 m (50,000 ft)
- Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min)
- Wing loading: 306 kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version M
Avionics
- Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) GIAT 30/719B autocannon with 125 rounds
- Hardpoints: 14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a capacity of 9,500 kg (20,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of:
- Missiles:
- MBDA MICA IR or EM or Magic II and
- MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles in the future
- Air-to-ground:
- Air-to-surface:
- Deterrence:
- Other:
- Thales Damocles targeting pod
- AREOS (Airborne Recce Observation System)reconnaissance pod[185]
- up to 5 drop tanks
- The Rafale can also carry a buddy-buddy refuelling pod[56]
General characteristics OF J-10B
- Thales RBE2 radar
- Thales SPECTRA electronic warfare system.
- Thales/SAGEM-OSF Optronique Secteur Frontal infra-red search and track system.
Performance
- Crew: 1[15]
- Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
- Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
- Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
- Wing area: 33.1 m² (356.3 ft²)
- Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[52])
- Loaded weight: 12,400 kg (28,600 lb)
- Useful load: 6,000 kg[52] (13,200lb)
- Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [15][52] (42,500 lb)
- Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A Taihang turbofan
- Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 19,000 lbf)
- Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN / 130 kN (27,999 lbf / 29,000 lbf)
Armament
- Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[53][54] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
- g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
- Combat radius: 1,600 km (with air to air refueling), 550 km (without air to air refueling)[46][52] ()
- Ferry range: 1,850 km[52]()
- Service ceiling: 18,000 m[52] (59,055 ft)
- Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 1.024 (with AL-31); 1.085 (with WS-10A)
Avionics
- Guns: 1× 23mm twin-barrel cannon
- Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 6,000 kg (13,228 lb) external fuel and ordnance[43]
- Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
- Missiles:
- Bombs: laser-guided bombs (LT-2), glide bombs (LS-6) and unguided bombs
- Others:
- Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
- Unknown phased array radar
- NRIET KLJ-10 multi-mode fire-control radar
- Externally mounted avionics pods:
sorry for off topic.But i am not argue that j-10b is a bad aircraft.Actually it is a good aircraft.But rafale is battle proven and Su-30mki is almost equal to SU-35.Avionics in rafale and Su-30mki is world standard.Avionics in rafale,Su-30MKI is unbeatable so it has an advantage over J-10B.
In the case of LCA,we dont compare chinese aircraft industry and Indian aircraft industry.Chinese has much mature industry than ours.But LCA give us basic foundation for our aviation industry.It is not equal to j-10 but better than jf-17.Value of knowledge give us by LCA for industry is immeasurable.LCA MK-2 can better only through MK-1
Agni V test in this december,is it correct?
Engine size dictates a plane's size, since a plane is built around the engine. JF-17 is MiG-21 size. J-10B is F-16 size. They are not of the same size class and their roles do not overlap. J-10B and JF-17 form a high / low mix.
Do anybody think LCA MK2 can take on J10b?
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Excellent.
Now Pl provide Tejas' specification also. If possible pl provide the specifications of Gripen C/D.
No Agni III test is in December.
General characteristics of LCA TEJAS
Performance
- Crew: 1
- Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
- Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
- Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
- Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
- Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
- Loaded weight: 9,500 kg (20,944 lb)
- Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)
- Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
- Dry thrust: 53.9 kN[94] (12,100 lbf)
- Thrust with afterburner: 85 kN[95][96][97] (19,000 lbf)
- Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
- External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage
Armament
- Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[98] (1,920 km/h) ; (CAS) at high altitude
- Range: 850 km[99] (459 nmi, 528 mi)
- Combat radius: 300 km[99] (162 nmi, 186 mi)
- Ferry range: 3,000 km[65](1,840 mi)
- Service ceiling: 15,250 m[98] (50,000 ft)
- Wing loading: 247 kg/m² (50.7 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 1.07[91]
- g-limits: +8/−3.5 g[91]
- Guns: 1× mounted 23 mm twin-barrel GSh-23 cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
- Hardpoints: 8 total: 1× beneath the port-side intake trunk for targeting pods, 6× under-wing, and 1× under-fuselage with a capacity of 4,000 kg external fuel and ordnance
- Missiles:
HAL Tejas carrying R-73 missile and Drop Tank.
Tejas weapon display Aero India 2011
- Air-to-air missiles:
- Air-to-surface missiles:
- Anti-ship missiles
- Bombs:
[100]
- KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
- GBU-16 Paveway II
- FAB-250
- ODAB-500PM fuel-air explosives
- ZAB-250/350 incendiary bombs
- BetAB-500Shp powered concrete-piercing bombs
- FAB-500T dumb bombs
- OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
- OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
- RBK-500 cluster bomb stake
- Others:[100]
- S-8 rocket pods
- Bofors 135 mm rocket
- Drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time.
- LITENING targeting pod[10
General characteristics of GRIPEN C/D
Performance
- Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
- Payload: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
- Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in); two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
- Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
- Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
- Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
- Empty weight: 6,800 kg[229] (12,600 lb)
- Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
- Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
- Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
- Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
- Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
- Wheel track: 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in)
Armament
- Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at high altitude
- Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
- Ferry range: 3,200 km(2,000 mi)with drop tanks
- Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
- Wing loading: 283 kg/m² (58 lb/ft²)
- Thrust/weight: 0.97
- Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 120 rounds (only available on single-seat A/C model)
- Hardpoints: 8 (three on each wing and two under fuselage) and provisions to carry combinations of:
- Rockets: 4× rocket pods 13.5 cm rockets
- Missiles:
- 6× Rb.74 (AIM-9) or Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
- 4× Rb.99 (AIM-120) or MICA
- 4× Meteor (under development)
- 4× Rb.75
- 2× KEPD.350
- 2× Rbs.15F anti-ship missile
- Bombs:
- 4× GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb
- 2× Bk.90 cluster bomb
- 8× Mark 82 bombs
I have been following many of your posts..I couldn't see one prompt response or even on the topic discussion from you..Somehow, I feel that the most important role of LCA is parades. Its to impress the India populace to show that India finally can build its own fighter jet.
If we would focus on rational thinking and results, instead of indigenous pride, this would be the best and easiest option:.....................
But as long as we insist on indigenous systems for indigenous fighters, LCA will keep delaying and the hope for a useful AMCA remains to be low!