Tejas completes advanced weapon trials

[KRAIT]

That was a Navy operation. The PAF was not informed of that sortie, or else that Atlantique would have been provided escorts. Navy has no fighters.

That means, a "technical" glitch.

 

[Sergi]

That was a Navy operation. The PAF was not informed of that sortie, or else that Atlantique would have been provided escorts. Navy has no fighters.

But didn't PAF have radars why not shoot down returning Migs
Beside trolling ; Mig21 bison can match F16s

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

You mean your link clearly says quoting "Unknown Sources". Last time I checked, Bangalore is in the South.

for your Information any plane which comes under Air force requires 1-2 years for develop air war tactic to know its pro and cons and after that it put on battle front

No Unlike PAF which bought plane first and then start seeing if which type of bombs it can drop and do testing, LCA will do test first then hand over

Can't you read properly? that's what I said, it is still under testing in LSP. Give me a link which says the Radar has finished testing and is currently deployed in all or many LCAs.

We are testing LCA is similar to your KF-17 what PAF is doing now testing and integrating new system so that it can fire range of missiles.

While LCA will integrate range of missile firing capability from start.[/QUOTE]


Source?

Made in China or Somalia, the point is it costs less than half of Tejas LCA while giving superior performance compared to LCA.


First lets see your Mark-2 fly, then we'll talk about its capabilities.

Well can't tell a person who don't know the advantages of Composite, have you checked the total take of weight of JF-17 vs LCA? you JF-17 can't carry much load as much LCA can carry

JF-17
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb[9])
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,300 kg (5,130 lb[9])
Max. takeoff weight: 12,383 kg (27,300 lb[9])

LCA
Empty weight: 6,560 kg (14,460 lb)
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)

One can see how much JF-17 a superior plane can take load.? [/B]

for your Information any plane which comes under Air force requires 1-2 years for develop air war tactic to know its pro and cons and after that it put on battle front

No Unlike PAF which bought plane first and then start seeing if which type of bombs it can drop and do testing, LCA will do test first then hand over


We are testing LCA is similar to your KF-17 what PAF is doing now testing and integrating new system so that it can fire range of missiles.

While LCA will integrate range of missile firing capability from start.

Source?




Well can't tell a person who don't know the advantages of Composite, have you checked the total take of weight of JF-17 vs LCA? you JF-17 can't carry much load as much LCA can carry

JF-17
Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb[9])
Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,300 kg (5,130 lb[9])
Max. takeoff weight: 12,383 kg (27,300 lb[9])

LCA
Empty weight: 6,560 kg (14,460 lb)
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)

One can see how much JF-17 a superior plane can take load.? [/B][/QUOTE]

Now the Question is how come LCA can carry more weight then superior JF-17, because of airframe made of strong composite, If JF-17 frame made to carry same type of load then it weight would have been increase by 4000 Kg , thats the advantage of composite understand ...

But didn't PAF have radars why not shoot down returning Migs
Beside trolling ; Mig21 bison can match F16s

because their Radar didn't picked up MIG, MIG also uses radar absorbing quoting , semi stealth feature thats why their radar didn't picked up.

 

[Matrixx]

I agree with you, LCA is good for Airline Interception. Also it can give quality entertainment to the passengers while doing some circus acts in mid-air. This way LCA can become a major player in Airline Service Sector.

And for the last time, LCA is not replacing any MiG-21s in Sulur. LCA is the first Fighter-Interceptor to be deployed in Tamil Nadu.

I can expect this from Pakistani.....you wanted LCA to fail but it is coming out late but in flying colors....Frustrated or your stomach upset...

It is not the drones which the PAF is afraid of. It is what comes after a drone gets shot down is the problem.

I can understand your excuse...

 

[Riaz Hussain]

@Alfa-Fighter: However still the integration is at a faster pace than LCA. Lets see LCA complete all radar related weapon tests first. PAF chief has already said SD-10 testing is underway and may probably be complete, while LCA is yet to start BVR weapon test let alone complete.
LCA can carry only 350Kgs of external payload extra. JF-17 can carry 3650kgs and LCA 4000kgs. The rest of the Take off weight is from fuel. But still JF-17's ferry range is 3480km while LCA has a ferry range of only 3000km. So the whole point of composites was for only 350kgs payload extra while losing 480km of range, which is dumb.

That means, a "technical" glitch.

Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.

But didn't PAF have radars why not shoot down returning Migs
Beside trolling ; Mig21 bison can match F16s

Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.
All PAF F-16s are going to be BVR capable and will have JHMCS. The BVR and HMS advantage of the bison is gone.

I can expect this from Pakistani.....you wanted LCA to fail but it is coming out late but in flying colors....Frustrated or your stomach upset...

You got me all wrong. I'm upset LCA is placed far away out of range of PAF. I want LCA to be placed near the border and have it intrude into Pakistani Airspace. I want to see how well the Composites burn.

 

[Sergi]

Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.
All PAF F-16s are going to be BVR capable and will have JHMCS. The BVR and HMS advantage of the bison is gone.

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You didn't get what I mean
Even Bisons will be gone in 2/3 years but they can take on F16s

LCA should be the last thing PAF should be worried.
And get your screw right. LCA isn't a front line plane. Oh and about PAFs range ..... They didn't even get out in wars .... 71

In case of War last thing PAF will do will be offencive sorties. Your air chief says you gona defend against IAF
I personally like Pak nationals like you. Guess why

 

[kṣamā]

Dear Indian Members,
I have been following this forum for quite a long time, though I joined recently. Its a complete waste of time explaining these morons, dimwits what an indigenous system mean. Neither have they ever experience the joy of MAKING something nor do they know that, something can be made from scratch without begging for kits from someone else. Any tom-dic-harry can sit with a tool-set, kits with a Manuel and assemble something. Here in India lil gals do that for RC planes in which they send their Barbies, over there so called "aeronautics engineer" have to figure that out for Chinese jet-kits. In simpler words "Bandar Kaya Jane Adrak Ka Swad".

Regards

For my pakistani friends who now will poke with no of "desi" components and all other things from nooks and carnies, I have just one thing to say, "We are humble, We are learning. Indian ministers are corrupt, even more than pakistani at some times, but that just amplifies the success of our DRDO and HAL."

 

[sancho]

See this you useless piece of trash. From where did the MiG-21 suddenly come to Sulur?

Who is talking about Sulur? I am talking about the interception and ground attack roles in the southern coastal area and the neighboring countries, which as you claimed wasn't available earlier. Kalaikunda had Mig 21s and 27 for these reasons, now gets MKIs while the modernisation of the fleet adds new squads of LCA MK1 and MKI in Sulur and Tanjavur to take over these roles in this area. LCA obviously will take over the interception roles of older Mig 21, while MKI the A2G of the Mig 27 and both are meant to add maritime attack capabilities too.
Again, IAF is getting more capable and with a much bigger footprint, they are replacing lower numbers of single role fighters (Mig 21, 23, 27) at less air bases, with more multi role fighters and raise more squads and airbases. That's the same alongside the Pak/CH borders, or in the southern coastal areas and LCA MK1, as well as the MKIs will add much to the interception, A2G and maritime attack roles in these areas. It's not that hard to understand, but your posts shows your attitude quiet clear, so no need to wast further time for me.

 

[Screambowl]

Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.
All PAF F-16s are going to be BVR capable and will have JHMCS. The BVR and HMS advantage of the bison is gone.

but when navy conducts its sorties does Pakistan airforce shut down the radars to detect hostile aircraft and you did not detect our migs? this was the question.

 

[kṣamā]

but when navy conducts its sorties does Pakistan airforce shut down the radars to detect hostile aircraft and you did not detect our migs? this was the question.

Greetings,

Please excuse my noviceness but it would be quite grateful of if you could provide me with the link of the incidence you seem to discuss. I have been out of touch for quite some time, it dose not harm to brush up.

Regards.

 

[Sergi]

Greetings,

Please excuse my noviceness but it would be quite grateful of if you could provide me with the link of the incidence you seem to discuss. I have been out of touch for quite some time, it dose not harm to brush up.

Regards.

Search "Atlantiq+ Pak navy+Mig21" in google

 

[Ajaxpaul]

He got his kicks from bashing tejas and ran away...

Hope to see tejas in Action soon. BOL

 

[kurup]

Greetings,

Please excuse my noviceness but it would be quite grateful of if you could provide me with the link of the incidence you seem to discuss. I have been out of touch for quite some time, it dose not harm to brush up.

Regards.

He was talking about the Atlantique Incident ......

Atlantique Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Atlantique Incident was an event in which a Pakistan Navy's Naval Air Arm Breguet Atlantique patrol plane, carrying 16 people on board, was shot down by an IAF MiG21 for alleged violation of airspace. The episode took place in the Rann of Kutch on August 10, 1999, just a month after the Kargil War, creating a tense atmosphere between India and Pakistan.

 

[Riaz Hussain]

but when navy conducts its sorties does Pakistan airforce shut down the radars to detect hostile aircraft and you did not detect our migs? this was the question.

Most likely the shootdown took place inside Indian Air Space and was out of range of Pakistan GCI. The Atlantique crashed exactly on the border though.

Who is talking about Sulur? I am talking about the interception and ground attack roles in the southern coastal area and the neighboring countries, which as you claimed wasn't available earlier. Kalaikunda had Mig 21s and 27 for these reasons, now gets MKIs while the modernisation of the fleet adds new squads of LCA MK1 and MKI in Sulur and Tanjavur to take over these roles in this area. LCA obviously will take over the interception roles of older Mig 21, while MKI the A2G of the Mig 27 and both are meant to add maritime attack capabilities too.
Again, IAF is getting more capable and with a much bigger footprint, they are replacing lower numbers of single role fighters (Mig 21, 23, 27) at less air bases, with more multi role fighters and raise more squads and airbases. That's the same alongside the Pak/CH borders, or in the southern coastal areas and LCA MK1, as well as the MKIs will add much to the interception, A2G and maritime attack roles in these areas. It's not that hard to understand, but your posts shows your attitude quiet clear, so no need to wast further time for me.

The whole point is Sulur. Kalaikunda is in Bengal not Tamil Nadu.
There is no interception or enemies rather for LCA to be deployed in the middle of the peninsula away from maritime borders. The main reason why there were no interceptors anywhere in Tamil Nadu up-till this point.
BTW, that Trash part wasn't directed at you.

LCA should be the last thing PAF should be worried.

We are not worried about LCA. All I'm asking is for LCA to be deployed closed to PAF. PAF loves LCA in IAF's hands. PAF hopes India sells all its Su-30MKI, MiG-29 and Mirage-2000 and only buys LCA with that money.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

@Alfa-Fighter: However still the integration is at a faster pace than LCA. Lets see LCA complete all radar related weapon tests first. PAF chief has already said SD-10 testing is underway and may probably be complete, while LCA is yet to start BVR weapon test let alone complete.
LCA can carry only 350Kgs of external payload extra. JF-17 can carry 3650kgs and LCA 4000kgs. The rest of the Take off weight is from fuel. But still JF-17's ferry range is 3480km while LCA has a ferry range of only 3000km. So the whole point of composites was for only 350kgs payload extra while losing 480km of range, which is dumb.

I think you are not engineer thats why you taking this, Average (Range) is directly promotional to weight, When take of weight is high , then it has to burn extra fuel to carry that weight ,


Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,300 kg (5,130 lb[9]) - JF-17
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg - LCA

LCA carry more fuel but due to weight it range decreases , on the same time if it carries less weight (equivalent ) to JF-17 then it range will be more then your JF-17

Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.


Navy conducts its own sorties. They don't inform the Airforce of each sortie, that is stupid.

It means your Pak AF don't have radar coverage of that area? RADAR understand , their is something radar.

All PAF F-16s are going to be BVR capable and will have JHMCS. The BVR and HMS advantage of the bison is gone.

Your F-16 gone BVR very Late , this capability our MIG-21 having from ages.

You got me all wrong. I'm upset LCA is placed far away out of range of PAF. I want LCA to be placed near the border and have it intrude into Pakistani Airspace. I want to see how well the Composites burn.

Don't worry they will be after developing tactics , if they introduced , your RADAR won't able to find it like in case of MIG-21