What's new

Tejas, a poor performer?

This is called "throwing good money after bad". The world has dramatically changed since LCA was conceived 36 years ago.


No, it's not, it fits the role as a low tier multi role AC fine. India doesn't souly depend on LCA, like Pakistan does more so with JFs. Whatever the case, like Dhruv's production and stabilization, LCA will also stabilize and spawn it's LCHs, LUHs, etc. like Dhruv did. This time, there is even more industrial participation with several companies leeching off this program, and it's sub-programs. Tell them it's throwing good money. LCA was not conceived 36 years ago, not even DRDO's aerospace R&D wing ADA was conceived then, what do you know?
 
Last edited:
Well my good mate, that, in and of itself, is a problem.
For many airforces for a long time, SEFs were the rule
more than the exception and they still flew over parades.

I can't see it as anything but an admission of secure and
safe maintenance being an unreachable goal and would
really welcome a detailed explanation as to why it's so!

Wouldn't you?

The aircraft was in development and they didn't want to take the risk until it became operational and IAF pilots notched some hours and started operating it on a regular basis.

They didn't want test pilots not under direct control of the IAF flying over an area which is supposed to be the sole responsibility of the IAF.

Now that IAF pilots have the experience necessary, they are carrying out the parade displays.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rep...jas-makes-its-debut-at-rajpath-parade-1652947

This is called "throwing good money after bad". The world has dramatically changed since LCA was conceived 36 years ago.

But not when it comes to Pakistan and China.

Why are they doing that? I asked some other indians and they said "it's in their dna" not exactly the answer I was looking for

They are creating conditions to force the govt to accept the IAF's recommendation to go ahead with the F-16/Gripen tender.

IAF has plans for two tenders. The Single Engine Fighter tender and the Twin Engine fighter tender.

Due to the recent successes in the LCA program, the govt has asked to either cancel the SEF tender entirely or club it together with the TEF tender. Doing either favours LCA.

But IAF wants to create the ecosystem necessary to have two different MMRCA class fighter lines running in parallel to arrest the squadron draw down.

The govt argues that the LCA may not be MMRCA class, but it is sufficient as a SEF, and in exchange, more of the more capable TEF can be purchased to compensate for the numbers losses that may come up due to the cancellation of SEF. The govt also wants to avoid a single vendor situation that may happen because there are only two competitors. They feel a MMRCA 2.0 is a better option.

But the IAF wants all three jets instead. They also probably fear that in time more of the LCAs will be purchased instead of the 250 TEFs that they have asked for if the SEF doesn't go ahead.

The IAF is also intent on pushing the govt to authorize an increase in squadron capacity by 13 to 25 more from the current 42. So having three fighter lines would mean a lot of jobs are in jeopardy and the govt will relent in order to keep those jobs, hence greater numbers can be procured from all three lines. The task becomes much more difficult with just two lines.

Since 123 LCAs have already been contracted for, attacking the LCA now will ensure the purchase of the Gripen also.

At this point, India would be better off just taking what they've learned and building a new aircraft.

That's the plan. We are calling it the LCA Mk1A.
 
No, it's not, it fits the role as a low tier multi role AC fine. India doesn't souly depend on LCA, like Pakistan does more so with JFs. Whatever the case, like Dhruv's production and stabilization, LCA will also stabilize and spawn it's LCHs, LUHs, etc. like Dhruv did. This time, there is even more industrial participation with several companies leeching off this program, and it's sub-programs. Tell them it's throwing good money. LCA was not conceived 36 years ago, not even DRDO's aerospace R&D wing ADA was conceived then, what do you know?

The concept of LCA was the result of "Long Term Re-Equipment Plan 1981" , and ADA was established in 1984 to manage LCA program. I am not that far off.
 
The concept of LCA was the result of "Long Term Re-Equipment Plan 1981" , and ADA was established in 1984 to manage LCA program. I am not that far off.
The design was 'finalised' only in 1990.
First flight in 2001, that is in 11 years.

Not only that, but Tejas of today is very different from that one thanks to constant nagging. Otherwise we'd have ten squadron by now in the 1990 definition, which would be dumb.

Not to mention we were under sanctions for awhile.
 
The concept of LCA was the result of "Long Term Re-Equipment Plan 1981" , and ADA was established in 1984 to manage LCA program. I am not that far off.


Do you even remotely take programs like AURA, AMCA, MLH, or even NAL's RTA seriously today? No, none of those have been seriously sanctioned for prototyping, most of them their designs arent even finalized, let alone LCA at that time. ADA was made to produce some sort of LCA, but mostly to build some sort of aerospace R&D wing. After India abandoned any successor to HAL's Marut, India had to work from the ground up. LCA was a name only for a long period of time, most programs you, or I put in the backburner today have more to work with then LCA at those times.

I am not saying there werent mistakes, and mismanagement, there were, sure, but LCA is here now, with all stack holders - user, industry, developer, gov, etc. behind it.
 
Do you even remotely take programs like AURA, AMCA, MLH, or even NAL's RTA seriously today? No, none of those have been seriously sanctioned for prototyping, most of them their designs arent even finalized, let alone LCA at that time. ADA was made to produce some sort of LCA, but mostly to build some sort of aerospace R&D wing. After India abandoned any successor to HAL's Marut, India had to work from the ground up. LCA was a name only for a long period of time, most programs you, or I put in the backburner today have more to work with then LCA at those times.

I am not saying there werent mistakes, and mismanagement, there were, sure, but LCA is here now, with all stack holders - user, industry, developer, gov, etc. behind it.

Well, we are debating about two different definitions of "LCA", one is the concept of "LCA" and the other is "current model of LCA". The essence of the boarder definition of "LCA" has not been changed since 1981, which was to develop a modern fighter jet to replace the fleet of aging Mig-21.

Anyway, I think we can agree that the development of LCA has taken much longer time than anyone's expectation. So it is facing a very different environment from what it was meant for.
 
Well, we are debating about two different definitions of "LCA", one is the concept of "LCA" and the other is "current model of LCA". The essence of the boarder definition of "LCA" has not been changed since 1981, which was to develop a modern fighter jet to replace the fleet of aging Mig-21.

Anyway, I think we can agree that the development of LCA has taken much longer time than anyone's expectation. So it is facing a very different environment from what it was meant for.


You can have all the concepts in the world, without actual work going into them, it just remains a paper bird. Those current concepts I named are supposed to replace models as well, means nothing until the program is actually sanctioned, I am not taking none of those program seriously till they put money where their mouth is.
 
No, it's not, it fits the role as a low tier multi role AC fine. India doesn't souly depend on LCA, like Pakistan does more so with JFs. Whatever the case, like Dhruv's production and stabilization, LCA will also stabilize and spawn it's LCHs, LUHs, etc. like Dhruv did. This time, there is even more industrial participation with several companies leeching off this program, and it's sub-programs. Tell them it's throwing good money. LCA was not conceived 36 years ago, not even DRDO's aerospace R&D wing ADA was conceived then, what do you know?

In November 2005, a Dhruv crash-landed in Andhra Pradesh, causing the entire fleet to be grounded; the subsequent probe found a fault with the helicopter's tail rotor blades, which has since been corrected.[23][24]

On 2 February 2007, during rehearsals prior to Aero India, a HAL Dhruv of the Sarang helicopter display team of the Indian Air Force crashed, killing co-pilot Squadron Leader Priye Sharma and injuring the pilot Wing Commander Vikas Jetley.[125] After being in a coma for almost four years, Vikas Jetley died in January 2011.[126] The helicopter team continued to perform in the air show.[127]

In October 2009, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv flew into the ground near Quito while attempting formation flight with two other helicopters. The remaining six aircraft were grounded during the investigation, which later concluded pilot error to be the cause.[128]

In February 2010, an Indian Air Force Dhruv was forced to make a crash landing after suffering a loss of power while rehearsing for the "Vayu Shakti" air show; both pilots survived.[23]

On 14 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Jammu injuring all 9 personnel on board.[129]

On 22 December 2010, a Dhruv crashed in Leh injuring both pilots.[129]
On 21 April 2011, four army personnel were killed when a Dhruv crashed in north Sikkim. Initial reports pointed to weather as the cause, but a court of inquiry was established to ascertain the exact cause.[130]

On 19 October 2011, an Indian Border Security Force (BSF) Dhruv (VT-BSH) crashed in north-east India, resulting in the deaths of the three crew on board.[131] The cause of the crash was found to be pilot error due to spatial disorientation.[132]

On 15 January 2012, a BSF Dhruv (VT-BSN) crashed on the runway at Raipur airport during a test flight; there were no deaths but all five of the crew on board were injured.[133] Investigation by DGCA has concluded that the crash was caused by pilot error.[134] Inadequacies in training of flight crew had been identified.

On 5 April 2012, a Dhruv was heavily damaged by Maoists who fired upon the helicopter [135]
On 13 May 2013, a Dhruv crashed in Siachen injuring the pilot and co-pilot [136]
On 19 December 2013, a Dhruv armed with weapons made an emergency landing in Karnataka.[137]
On 22 February 2014, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv often used as a presidential transport crashed in the Chimborazo region. The pilot Captain Fabian Pazos Narvaez survived, but three military officials were killed. The incident is under investigation.[138][139]

On 25 July 2014, an Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed near Sitapur in Uttar Pradesh, India. All seven on board were killed. It had been tracked from the ATC of a Delhi air force station until contact with the aircraft was suddenly lost. A mayday call from the pilots appeared to highlight a mechanical failure as the cause. The IAF ordered a court of inquiry to establish the cause of the crash.[140]

On 13 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 2 crew members [141]
On 28 January 2015, an Ecuadorian Air Force Dhruv crashed injuring 4 crew members [141]
On 11 February 2015, an Indian Army Dhruv crashed in Jammu&Kashmir, killing 2 crew members.[142]
On 4 July 2017 and Indian Air Force Dhruv crashed in Arunachal Prasesh killing all 4 crew members onboard [143]

On 5 September 2017 several Indian Army (IA) personnel, including two generals, survived with only minor injuries from the crash in India’s Himalayan region of Ladakh.[144]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Dhruv#Incidents_and_accidents[/QUOTE]

US air chief has been spotted flying in Tejas (truck for some nincompoops). View attachment 452360

It's good to see some trolls get their panties in a twist on hearing Tejas. :D

Keep crying:pop:

Did your panties got a twist when u saw the image of a white pilot on a Tejas?
 
The design was 'finalised' only in 1990.
First flight in 2001, that is in 11 years.

Not only that, but Tejas of today is very different from that one thanks to constant nagging. Otherwise we'd have ten squadron by now in the 1990 definition, which would be dumb.

Not to mention we were under sanctions for awhile.

like this was not informed to these trolls multiple times already.

remember you are dealing with a lot who were winning in east Pakistan till the fall of dhaka.

You know what i mean. :D:D:D
 
Can someone in form this forum how many Tejas operational squadrons does IAF have?
 
The air force officer is referring to the IOC-2 version which will obviously have limited flight envelope. 6/-2G only. The FOC will open up the flight envelope to 8.5/-3.5G. So that's when it will perform at 100%.

FOC is expected this year. It's awaiting final weapons tests. ADA is waiting for the Israelis to integrate the Derby and Python V completely into the aircraft. The gun also has to finish tests, that will happen in a few months.

The Mk1A will be a 9/-3.5G fighter.
Indian are extremely deluded for a reason```see above
 
Here comes a racist bigot. :lol: What this has to do with him being black or white?


I think it was 6 including a prototype.
He asked squadrons u are giving total warplanes produced.

.

You mean 6 whole squadrons?
How many aircraft per squadron?
Total warplanes are 6 not squadrons. And arent they going to induct lca-1 now the upgraded version.
 

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom