Teaching religion

[TNT]

whats the difference between the problems of 99% muslims and 1% non muslims? All of them want food to eat and some place to call home a famous saying in pakistan roti kapra makaan

yes exactly as 99% people are muslims and yes logically they will elect a muslims leader So, why was the need of adding the clause that only muslim is worthy of this job and specially targeted non muslims and make them feel unworthy and second class citizen

Because it was the demand of 99℅ to have such a rule, is that not democracy? The western Parliaments demand headscarf ban, face veil ban n all that, in guise of democracy, the US doznt allow anyone to be President unless born inside US. But when we have a rule of muslim being head of state, u ppl go crazy n call it violation of minority rights?? Isnt it violation of minority rights when u force them to wear certain clothes??? Hypocrisy have no bounds indeed.

 

[Iltutmish]

Because it was the demand of 99℅ to have such a rule, is that not democracy? The western Parliaments demand headscarf ban, face veil ban n all that, in guise of democracy, the US doznt allow anyone to be President unless born inside US. But when we have a rule of muslim being head of state, u ppl go crazy n call it violation of minority rights?? Isnt it violation of minority rights when u force them to wear certain clothes??? Hypocrisy have no bounds indeed.

And don't forget the Holy Land of all Liberals: The United Kingdom

If you convert to catholicism (or any other religion) you will be kicked out from the line of succession.

Countries have rules, checks and boundaries. An idol-worshipping Hindu cannot be loyal to the cause of Muslim Pakistan (Pakistan ka Matlab kya?) hence he is not allowed to become PM or President.

 

[Mugen]

No country endorses absolute freedom, or in other words, real-life hunger games.
But let's assume what you say is true, that it is due to 'too much freedom,' implying lawlessness and chaos. Even then, human behavior has to stem from something, it is not random, it is an influential attribute, coming from 'nature' or 'nurture'. So, this backwardness in society, where does it stem from and flourish in a society with too much freedom? And how come, numerous other countries with 'too much freedom' are not in a similar position?

I never said that any country endorses absolute freedom, that point was just to demonstrate that there is such a thing as too much freedom and that excessive amount of it leads to problems. Freedom is a double-edged sword and needs to be applied carefully.

In Pakistan, I believe the problems stem from lack of education, and more importantly lack of accountability. The "too much freedom" applies to Pakistan in this context, the wrong do-ers are not punished; they have "too much freedom". Even if Pakistan has thousands of laws, most of them are not applied and so naturally The law of the jungle takes place resulting in the chaotic conditions we find Pakistan in. Punishment is perhaps the best motivation to prevent something from happening, and after that it is reward - unfortunately, Pakistan does not have a functioning system for either of these great motivators.

And the other countries you speak of have selected and successfully applied the correct version of freedom whilst restricting some forms of it that are detrimental to their society.

 

[El Sidd]

@VCheng

Allowing government to enforce religion is a mistake, as this thread shows it yet again, but as a nation we choose to ignore it to our everlasting detriment.

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Its a governance issue not religious

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng

Allowing government to enforce religion is a mistake, as this thread shows it yet again, but as a nation we choose to ignore it to our everlasting detriment.

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Its a governance issue not religious

Of course it is a governance issue. Separation of religion and state, or not, is a choice made by every sovereign nation. The results for Pakistan have been starkly clear for decades, yet we, as a nation, choose to ignore them.

 

[El Sidd]

Of course it is a governance issue. Separation of religion and state, or not, is a choice made by every sovereign nation. The results for Pakistan have been starkly clear for decades, yet we, as a nation, choose to ignore them.

I know you want to repeat your religious secularism but what rights does a secular form of government reserve to make religion a governance matter?

 

[Verve]

These threads remind me of the sickular and libturd infestion of PDF a few years ago ... same old actors activating with full force!

 

[VCheng]

I know you want to repeat your religious secularism but what rights does a secular form of government reserve to make religion a governance matter?

I personally have absolutely no problem with religion or the free exercise thereof. The fatal error lies in mixing matters of state with matters of personal beliefs by force of law. Please understand the difference if you wish to continue.

 

[El Sidd]

I personally have absolutely no problem with religion or the free exercise thereof. The fatal error lies in mixing matters of state with matters of personal beliefs by force of law. Please understand the difference if you wish to continue.

Give me a simple example.

Are you saying religion of enlightened moderation was allowed to bring civil war in the country?