Tayyip Erdoan: “We will raise a religious generation”

[King Solomon]

I don't disagree with you brother. I know we should take hadith's as teachings and explanations of the Qur'an. But I still don't think there are "tons" of them, might be due to my lack of knowledge, but I've heard from many scholars that Saheeh Hadith's are authentic. So before I can comment fully about this subject, I need to read more about the issue. And see what the general thought of the Sunni scholars is about this matter.

I also heard the same from scholars in my early life but whenever I studied Hadiths personally I found many contradictions myself. For this reason I was never satisfied with my religion until I started to take the Quran as my sole guidance and Hadith as complementary. I can tell you most Sunni scholars will tell you to reject what I said in my posts and follow Hadiths as a substitute to the Quran. Moreover, the funny thing is that if you go to any Shia scholar, he will give you some "sahih" sources which would be denied by Sunni scholars. Different sects of Islam have different views on which hadiths are acceptable and which are not. But all of them follow the Quran, which is God's word. In other words, we can see that the main reason why there are so many sects and divisions in Islam may be due to their perception on which Hadiths are acceptable and which are not. This difference in perception, in turn, yields to many misinterpretations of Quranic verses by certain sects.

I hope your quest is successful and you are able to increase your knowledge on the matter.

 

[Deno]

What makes you despicable in my eyes is that you don't have the enough capacity to understand that the same foummers you thank defend Israel's rights to murder Palestinians and steal their lands. Whereas there is not a single Turkish member here who defends to carry out bombing attacks on kurdish villages.

And about 2appreciating someone pointing a fact"

What about the PERSON who points out a fact supports his own country's religious system? While he comes here and slanders and tells us that Islam as a system fails. Let me cut it into pieces, since you obviously have a hard time understanding it. What a person says is important if he is genuinly meaning it. But if his intention is to slander about Islam and tell us what a failure Muslims are, he is just here to trick weak minds like you. While his country steals lands and kills thousands of innocents EVEN TODAY just because they are Muslims. Turkish universities must be pretty low since they accept people like you.

It is not about muslims being a failure... Majority of Turkish people are muslim and Turkey is not a failure... The concept of religion in state bussiness is failure. Look at countries with state religion ( Countries which use religion as constitution ) Anyone who believes that religion could achive anything in state bussiness is fooling themselves. Europeans understood this centuries ago and Muslims still dream about ridiculus things like '' Sharia '' '' Ummah '' '' Caliphate ''

Their failure does not come from being muslim, their failure comes from still not understanding the concept of secularism... * there are millions of muslims who favor secularism... Example: Iranian opposition, Mass majority of Turks, Azeri Turks, Balkan Muslims, Left wing of Arab Spring...

A person who finds the meaning of life in religion calls me '' weak minded ''... Please...

 

[mehmeTcc]

It is not about muslims being a failure... Majority of Turkish people are muslim and Turkey is not a failure... The concept of religion in state bussiness is failure.

Couldn't agree more. Being a Muslim is a proud for me, but if Turkey will select a state-religion and adopt it, we will go back to decades.

 

[Deno]

You brought up all about the "Zionism" here, don't think I didn't follow your posts. It is clear you wanted a Muslim vs. Jew thread.

My friends... This is what we call brainfart...

 

[Alienoz_TR]

A person who finds the meaning of life in religion calls me '' weak minded ''... Please...

You want a fight? Let's do it.

Who created you? Who created the ones that created you?

 

[King Solomon]

It is not about muslims being a failure... Majority of Turkish people are muslim and Turkey is not a failure... The concept of religion in state bussiness is failure. Look at countries with state religion ( Countries which use religion as constitution ) Anyone who believes that religion could achive anything in state bussiness is fooling themselves. Europeans understood this centuries ago and Muslims still dream about ridiculus things like '' Sharia '' '' Ummah '' '' Caliphate ''

Keeping aside the rampant ignorance and absurdity in every post of yours, I couldn't stay silent with this.

Your model of atheist nation states have not even completed 100 years. Most Muslim nations follow your model of separating religion from constitution yet already they are in a miserable condition today. The Islamic model of Caliphate has worked for 1000+ years and guaranteed Muslims prosperity and safety within their homeland.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

It is not about muslims being a failure... Majority of Turkish people are muslim and Turkey is not a failure... The concept of religion in state bussiness is failure. Look at countries with state religion ( Countries which use religion as constitution ) Anyone who believes that religion could achive anything in state bussiness is fooling themselves. Europeans understood this centuries ago and Muslims still dream about ridiculus things like '' Sharia '' '' Ummah '' '' Caliphate ''

Their failure does not come from being muslim, their failure comes from still not understanding the concept of secularism... * there are millions of muslims who favor secularism... Example: Iranian opposition, Mass majority of Turks, Azeri Turks, Balkan Muslims, Left wing of Arab Spring...

A person who finds the meaning of life in religion calls me '' weak minded ''... Please...

Turkey is a good example on how secularism as a system fails. It was during the secularists that Turkey was worse than African countries, and during islamic in power in which the country thrived. The same can be said about Christian Europe. You islamophobes thinks islam is barrier to development, but true development happened during Islamic minded people in Turkey. The real backwards in Turkey are those who call themselves secularists or laikci.

It was in fact christian prostestant ethics that helped develop todays succesfull European countries. Read The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and you may grasp how religious ethics helps the economy The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This piece of works by Weber is in every Political Scientist curriculum, because his findings are true.
The reason to why the greatest business men in Turkey are from Kayseri is the same "work" ethics which stems from Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/business/worldbusiness/11iht-wbturkey.2450036.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav072408a.shtml

Edit: double post

 

[Quasar]

a useless thread by people who thinks Turkey has f 16 block 52+

 

[Zulkarneyn]

And today all the dictators who were staunchly defending secularism in Tunisia, Egypt and other Arab countries fell. During these islam hater dictators their country was garbage. We are already witnessing in Turkey how true Muslims are the best to steer the country, and we will see the same in Egypt and Tunisia if those who ascend to power truly hold the same values.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Turkey is a good example on how secularism as a system fails. It was during the secularists that Turkey was worse than African countries, and during islamic in power in which the country thrived. The same can be said about Christian Europe. You islamophobes thinks islam is barrier to development, but true development happened during Islamic minded people in Turkey. The real backwards in Turkey are those who call themselves secularists or laikci.

It was in fact christian prostestant ethics that helped develop todays succesfull European countries. Read The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and you may grasp how religious ethics helps the economy The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This piece of works by Weber is in every Political Scientist curriculum, because his findings are true.
The reason to why the greatest business men in Turkey are from Kayseri is the same "work" ethics which stems from Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/business/worldbusiness/11iht-wbturkey.2450036.html?pagewanted=all

Edit: double post

Industrialization in Turkey started with Ataturk's reforms. In Ottoman times, there was no "industry" at all. There were light industries, mainly controlled by non-Muslims.

Today's Turkish Industry is simply founded by Ataturk, reformized by Ozal. Ozal contributed too much to our country, no wonder why they killed him.

 

[user1]

'The concept of religion in State business as a failure' is the propaganda to drive the masses away from the religion. Allama Iqbal, the National Poet of Pakistan, has said: If you separate religion from the politics, then what is left is only 'Chingezi', that is, utter barbarianism.

The problem arises when 'Mullahism' and 'Muslim Monarchs' are confused with Islam. Separation of religion and politics in the West started as a reaction to unthinkable horrors committed in the name of Christianity. What they adopted instead was the learnings of 'Enlightenment' most of which are in complete agreement with Islamic teachings.

Let me quote, Mufti Muhammad Abduh, who in late nineteenth century visited Europe and on return said: I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I got back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam.

The failure of Muslims comes not from not understanding the secularism, it comes from not understanding the Islam (Quran), which forms the basis of modern democratic societies.

 

[Deno]

Turkey is a good example on how secularism as a system fails. It was during the secularists that Turkey was worse than African countries, and during islamic in power in which the country thrived. The same can be said about Christian Europe. You islamophobes thinks islam is barrier to development, but true development happened during Islamic minded people in Turkey. The real backwards in Turkey are those who call themselves secularists or laikci.

Are you kidding me? Do you ahve any idea about politics in Turkey? After Ismet Inonu, CHP didn't won one elections... Turkey was always ruled by Right wing goverments... What kind of joke are you? and ,n the times of the real secularists = Mustafa Kemal, Turkey was the fastest growing economy of the world... We even exported fighter planes to Holland... What kind of propaganda did you go trough? With Japan, US and Canada Turkey was the only country that stayed free from emperial claws of Europe...

It was in fact christian prostestant ethics that helped develop todays succesfull European countries. Read The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber and you may grasp how religious ethics helps the economy The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This piece of works by Weber is in every Political Scientist curriculum, because his findings are true.
The reason to why the greatest business men in Turkey are from Kayseri is the same "work" ethics which stems from Sunni Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/bu...pagewanted=all

This is ridiculus... Being protestant did not effect anything other than creating an environment that made it easy to seperate church and state and improved education... Not because it created a more devout people but it created more free and less radical people...

Tukey's most succesfull bussiness man is from Ankara not from Kayseri...

Edit: You can look at the top 100 bussiness men in Turkey... Only Sabanci is from Kayseri ( I may be wrong about Sabanci )

Edit 2: I checked and I was right, Sabancı s from Kayseri.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Industrialization in Turkey started with Ataturk's reforms. In Ottoman times, there was no "industry" at all. There were light industries, mainly controlled by non-Muslims.

Today's Turkish Industry is simply founded by Ataturk, reformized by Ozal. Ozal contributed too much to our country, no wonder why they killed him.

The later periods of Ottoman was truly filled with corruption and bad government. Ataturk introduced a secular Turkey and indeed he emphasized in Industry and reform. But the reason as to why Turkey has been unable to develop in the real direction is because of the rift between later corrupted secularist who were with all their might trying to keep down islamic forces and muslims. But thanks God we are getting rid of corruption and finding the real culprits behind the ones who made coups and halted the development for decades.

No force is strong enough to stop Muslims.

 

[mehmeTcc]

The later periods of Ottoman was truly filled with corruption and bad government. Ataturk introduced a secular Turkey and indeed he emphasized in Industry and reform. But the reason as to why Turkey has been unable to develop in the real direction is because of the rift between later corrupted secularist who were with all their might trying to keep down islamic forces and muslims. But thanks God we are getting rid of corruption and finding the real culprits behind the ones who made coups and halted the development for decades.

No force is strong enough to stop Muslims.

Can you tell me, who is this "corrupted secularist"?

 

[Quasar]

dear Turkish forum members!

zulkarneyn, selim and forummurat are unfortunately just some trolls who has nothing to contribute to our Turkey's defence section! and as seen many times the only way for them to exist here is just giving names to other members or insults....

don't feed the trolls..... just IGNORE...they have nothing to say!