Tauqeer Raza Khan once again bashes Pakistan to prove their loyalty to Hindutva terror regime

[HRK]

Its for free online

If possible could you post the link

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why Pakistanis are even caring for what they have said if Pakistani muslims are having wonderful life?

From early days, the Pak leadership has feeding its populace that Pakistan is natural leader of the Islamic world being the nation with largest Muslim population (prior to breakup)

Hence, the thought of "lowly" Indian Muslim , who ideally should be beneath them in their minds, speaking anything against them get these folks triggered.

Indian religious Muslim leadership are mirror image of the above mindset. They too want to lord over the Muslim world and blame creation of Pakistan preventing that from happening.

In their head, partition of India caused 570 million Muslims of the subcontinent to be divided into three separate nations, hence diluted their political power in the Islamic world.

 

[pakpride00090]

If possible could you post the link

https://stimson.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/TheWellingtonExperience-SA-100820-WEB.pdf

 

[CriticalThought]

Yes I went through the videos. It's a polite way of saying yes we agree with it, unless you can tell me what else he means by Kashmir being an integral part of India means. Also do remember he said this in the context of the question asked by the reporter. The worst part of this the Sikhs actually raised their voices more against the removal of article 370, so what happened to these lot? Some would even say that their silence is compliance but I won't go down that route. They said enough in their statements and videos to show their true views.

It means as long as India can hold on to Kashmir, he considers Kashmir an integral part of India. If India loses Kashmir, too bad. Just like he believed Ladakh is an integral part of India, but now that China has taken over, did he issue any statement against it? He has pointedly refused to answer the question with regards to 370.

With regards to Sikhs, those dudes have international celebrities backing them as seen during the farmers' protests. Now if people like you were to stand together with Deoband, and tell India in no uncertain terms you will retaliate if anything happens to Deoband, you will see them being more vocal about such issues.

Even with all the back stabbing done by Musharraf, Bajwa, and Khan on Kashmir, Indian Muslims are doing all they can to protect their interests. There are those who are guilty of siding with Hindus, but Deoband is certainly not one of them.

 

[waz]

It means as long as India can hold on to Kashmir, he considers Kashmir an integral part of India. If India loses Kashmir, too bad. Just like he believed Ladakh is an integral part of India, but now that China has taken over, did he issue any statement against it? He has pointedly refused to answer the question with regards to 370.

With regards to Sikhs, those dudes have international celebrities backing them as seen during the farmers' protests. Now if people like you were to stand together with Deoband, and tell India in no uncertain terms you will retaliate if anything happens to Deoband, you will see them being more vocal about such issues.

Even with all the back stabbing done by Musharraf, Bajwa, and Khan on Kashmir, Indian Muslims are doing all they can to protect their interests. There are those who are guilty of siding with Hindus, but Deoband is certainly not one of them.

Bro that's your opinion (in bold ) and I don't agree with it, and people can see the videos for themselves to judge. He made his comments with regards to the clear question on article 370. Also how on earth is he right saying that anyway? It's an occupied region, he didn't even argue for a return to its special status which shows he is clearly in agreement. Let's leave all that aside what about when he spoke about the 1951 resolutions passed by his people in agreement with Indian rule?

Yes the Sikhs had some voice but let's be honest it was mostly them standing their ground. A few tweets on Twitter don't do much.

I do agree many Indian Muslims are leading a fight, but these Deobandi scholars are with Modi and his cronies.

 

[SIPRA]

If you want to see an example of Hindu derangement, this is it. From a speech laden with talk about serving their country and camaraderie with their Hindu brethren, this nasty Pujari somehow extrapolated a hidden agenda among Indian Muslims that they want to rule over the Muslim world.

These Hindutvadis generally sink in their own contradictions.

 

[CriticalThought]

Bro that's your opinion (in bold ) and I don't agree with it, and people can see the videos for themselves to judge. He made his comments with regards to the clear question on article 370. Also how on earth is he right saying that anyway? It's an occupied region, he didn't even argue for a return to its special status which shows he is clearly in agreement. Let's leave all that aside what about when he spoke about the 1951 resolutions passed by his people in agreement with Indian rule?

Yes the Sikhs had some voice but let's be honest it was mostly them standing their ground. A few tweets on Twitter don't do much.

I do agree many Indian Muslims are leading a fight, but these Deobandi scholars are with Modi and his cronies.

You are fundamentally mistaken about the Deobandi point of view wrt 1951 and even earlier resolutions. There are two cornerstones to it:

1. All of pre 1857 India should remain a single unit.
2. That unit should be governed by Muslims.

The original viewpoint of aniti-Pakistan Ulema was that all Muslims should remain together and fight to regain what they lost in 1857. Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi Rahimahullah was the leader of dissent on this and actively participated in the freedom struggle, backing Quaid-e-Azam on his proposal.

You are completely ignoring the fact that those celebrity voices imply that any violent action that Indian government might have taken would then lead to sanctions or other punitive actions. In today's world, non-Muslims are looking out for the rights and dignity of non-Muslims. And they are turning a blind eye to Muslim massacre around the world. And we have Muslims trying to show other Muslims as the enemy.

And you are acting biased in interpreting the words of the JUH officials. They have continued with the same position they have held over a century: one, and united India. And they have categorically refused to comment on the matter of 370. Kudos to them for their principled stance.

 

[waz]

You are fundamentally mistaken about the Deobandi point of view wrt 1951 and even earlier resolutions. There are two cornerstones to it:

1. All of pre 1857 India should remain a single unit.
2. That unit should be governed by Muslims.

The original viewpoint of aniti-Pakistan Ulema was that all Muslims should remain together and fight to regain what they lost in 1857. Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi Rahimahullah was the leader of dissent on this and actively participated in the freedom struggle, backing Quaid-e-Azam on his proposal.

You are completely ignoring the fact that those celebrity voices imply that any violent action that Indian government might have taken would then lead to sanctions or other punitive actions. In today's world, non-Muslims are looking out for the rights and dignity of non-Muslims. And they are turning a blind eye to Muslim massacre around the world. And we have Muslims trying to show other Muslims as the enemy.

And you are acting biased in interpreting the words of the JUH officials. They have continued with the same position they have held over a century: one, and united India. And they have categorically refused to comment on the matter of 370. Kudos to them for their principled stance.

There is no mistake about this at all, he was clear what he meant. Yes I'm aware of their prior stances but how does that relate to Pakistan? We don't agree with it and he stressed that part clearly by saying he rejects the two nation theory so why do they need defending when they're opposed to Pakistan?

That then brings us back to the original point on how he clearly stated that he supports the integrity of India when the reporters asked about article 370. He doesn't need to directly talk about it as he's made his stance clear i.e. that India should be one. Kashmir's independence does not come into it.

Those celebrity voices would have led to nothing. Even the Sikhs said that on their forums. Where were the sanctions in 1984 when their holiest site was attacked and Sikhs were massacred in thousands on the streets?
Again I'l ask why haven't they spoken against the removal of article 370?

I'm not acting biased at all, you might want to refer to the Brelvi head/elder who I posted about earlier. What is happening is that you're trying to paint a rosy picture of their contempt for the plight of the Kashmiris. Kudos to what stance, for siding with Satan's minions Modi and the BJP? Where's the condemnation for turning Kashmir into the world's largest prison?
Just because you look up to their scholars doesn't mean they are right. I didn't want the discussion to head this way but you brought this 'personal bias' into it, so it's quite right I clearly call yours out. What anyone's school of thought is stays irrelevant, if they're wrong they are wrong.


Have a look at this, what's your take on this? This happened.



First, a delegation of senior Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind leaders met Home Minister Amit Shah to extend support on the Kashmir issue, followed by the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadees, which too came out in support of the government’s actions in the State.

The Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind’s overtures were not exactly a surprise, considering the fact that just before the delegation’s meeting with Amit Shah, its president, Arshad Madani, had met Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat in New Delhi to remove “misgivings between communities” to bring about “an atmosphere of communal harmony”.

Madani’s meeting with Bhagwat upset a section of the community. In an article for Muslim Mirror, Aslam Abdullah, a United States-based Islamic scholar of Indian origin, accused Madani of selling one of the “most precious human commodity [sic] known as conscience for some visible and invisible gains”

https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/article29665076.ece

 

[xeuss]

There is no mistake about this at all, he was clear what he meant. Yes I'm aware of their prior stances but how does that relate to Pakistan? We don't agree with it and he stressed that part clearly by saying he rejects the two nation theory so why do they need defending when they're opposed to Pakistan?

That then brings us back to the original point on how he clearly stated that he supports the integrity of India when the reporters asked about article 370. He doesn't need to directly talk about it as he's made his stance clear i.e. that India should be one. Kashmir's independence does not come into it.

Those celebrity voices would have led to nothing. Even the Sikhs said that on their forums. Where were the sanctions in 1984 when their holiest site was attacked and Sikhs were massacred in thousands on the streets?
Again I'l ask why haven't they spoken against the removal of article 370?

I'm not acting biased at all, you might want to refer to the Brelvi head/elder who I posted about earlier. What is happening is that you're trying to paint a rosy picture of their contempt for the plight of the Kashmiris. Kudos to what stance, for siding with Satan's minions Modi and the BJP? Where's the condemnation for turning Kashmir into the world's largest prison?
Just because you look up to their scholars doesn't mean they are right. I didn't want the discussion to head this way but you brought this 'personal bias' into it, so it's quite right I clearly call yours out. What anyone's school of thought is stays irrelevant, if they're wrong they are wrong.


Have a look at this, what's your take on this? This happened.



First, a delegation of senior Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind leaders met Home Minister Amit Shah to extend support on the Kashmir issue, followed by the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadees, which too came out in support of the government’s actions in the State.

The Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind’s overtures were not exactly a surprise, considering the fact that just before the delegation’s meeting with Amit Shah, its president, Arshad Madani, had met Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) chief Mohan Bhagwat in New Delhi to remove “misgivings between communities” to bring about “an atmosphere of communal harmony”.

Madani’s meeting with Bhagwat upset a section of the community. In an article for Muslim Mirror, Aslam Abdullah, a United States-based Islamic scholar of Indian origin, accused Madani of selling one of the “most precious human commodity [sic] known as conscience for some visible and invisible gains”

https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/article29665076.ece

Arshad Madani represents Deobandis as much as your Maulana Fazlur Rahman represents Islam. Arshad Madani has ZERO credibility and following in India. Please don't use the statement of power hungry politicians to judge organizations or entities or people at large.

To the topic at hand, Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan is another of those politically aspirational Mullahs whose core support is based in the inner city of Bareilly, and can rarely even defend Muslims from getting lynched in his own city. He is known in Bareilly to sell his support to the highest bidder, and it is no secret that he has taken money from the BJP in the past to set up Muslim candidates in city elections in order to split the Muslim vote, to enable BJP candidates to sail through.

 

[peagle]

If possible could you post the link

He's also written a book on "the Quetta experience", the download source should be the same.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Arshad Madani represents Deobandis as much as your Maulana Fazlur Rahman represents Islam. Arshad Madani has ZERO credibility and following in India. Please don't use the statement of power hungry politicians to judge organizations or entities or people at large.

To the topic at hand, Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan is another of those politically aspirational Mullahs whose core support is based in the inner city of Bareilly, and can rarely even defend Muslims from getting lynched in his own city. He is known in Bareilly to sell his support to the highest bidder, and it is no secret that he has taken money from the BJP in the past to set up Muslim candidates in city elections in order to split the Muslim vote, to enable BJP candidates to sail through.

Reza khan himself was a proud man, you can disagree with his views but was a very important figure in the history of SC Muslims and hardcore barelvis (like my maternal family)still consider barielly to be akin to holy land of sorts
Really sad to see what become of the proud man's future generations and the city he lived in, Ajmer and Barielly is considered by many Pakistanis (depending on sect) (especially old school people) as holy places
Gut wrenching to see that both of these historically important holy cities for Muslims of SC are enabling instead of defending Muslims against fascism

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This Mullah is merely asking for 20,000 guns, to take back Aksai Chin, from China. It is peanuts. I fail to understand that why Modi and other Sanghis are not paying heed to his extraordinary offer?

This Molla is quite clever. He's trying to arrange a divorce for a bachelor folk....

 

[xeuss]

Reza khan himself was a proud man, you can disagree with his views but was a very important figure in the history of SC Muslims and hardcore barelvis (like my maternal family)still consider barielly to be akin to holy land of sorts
Really sad to see what become of the proud man's future generations and the city he lived in, Ajmer and Barielly is considered by many Pakistanis (depending on sect) (especially old school people) as holy places
Gut wrenching to see that both of these historically important holy cities for Muslims of SC are enabling instead of defending Muslims against fascism

For Ajmer and Bareilly to go down this part you have to understand the mechanisms of the Dargah. These are enormous sources of revenue and for these people to remain as Sajjadanasheens and Mutawwalis of the dargah (and reap the enormous economic benefits) you have to be politically allied with the rulers in the state who control the State Waqf Boards. Note that Ajmer is covered by a separate central act (Dargah Khwaja Saheb Act of 1955), but the provisions are similar.

The laws themselves are well meaning and supposed to curtail abuse - but as in India everything comes at a price - a price that the current Mutawallis willingly pay to ensure that they stay in power and control the Dargahs.

 

[Genghis khan1]

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From the book " wellington experience "

@Areesh
@HRK
@Reichsmarschall
@SQ8
@waz

Tagging you guys so if you see any Hindu/Sikh Indian chanting how Muslims are equal in India .... You can show them these references.
Wellington Experience is a good book regardless. Recommended to give it a read. Its for free online.

This is also true for US military. Muslim soldiers will be systematically weeded out after reaching certain Ranks (Lt.Colonel) or before reaching senior enlisted position. Some minor exceptions would be local born ( ie. Black soldiers) or someone who doesn’t care about religion at all.

 

[waz]

Arshad Madani represents Deobandis as much as your Maulana Fazlur Rahman represents Islam. Arshad Madani has ZERO credibility and following in India. Please don't use the statement of power hungry politicians to judge organizations or entities or people at large.

To the topic at hand, Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan is another of those politically aspirational Mullahs whose core support is based in the inner city of Bareilly, and can rarely even defend Muslims from getting lynched in his own city. He is known in Bareilly to sell his support to the highest bidder, and it is no secret that he has taken money from the BJP in the past to set up Muslim candidates in city elections in order to split the Muslim vote, to enable BJP candidates to sail through.

Thank you brother for the clarity and it makes sense, and seeing as you are Indian Muslim you know more than us Pakistanis do. I knew these lot wouldn't represent the Muslims at large.
@CriticalThought bro I won't post anymore about this i.e. as the brother has cleared things up.