Tarek Fatah vs Riaz Haq on India, Pakistan and Muslims

[RiazHaq]

Haq's Musings: Tarek Fatah vs Riaz Haq on India, Pakistan and Muslims

Tarek Fatah, Canadian Muslim writer and broadcaster, and Riaz Haq, a Pakistani-American blogger, debate the following:



In a 2013 interview with Times of India, Tarek Fatah said, “Pakistan will soon disintegrate”. Is this a prediction or a wish? Why is he such a strong and vocal supporter ofBaloch insurgents? If Pakistan does disintegrate, what will be its fall-out for the region and the world?

When Tarek Fatah was asked in an NDTV interview about Donald Trump’s Muslim Ban, why did he criticize Muslims, Obama and western liberals rather than address the question directly?

Why is Tarek Fatah seen in the company of well-known anti-Islam bigots like Robert Spencer and Frank Gaffney on Fox News and as a guest of honor of RSS student wingABVP at JNU in India?

Why does Tarek Fatah pander to the Indian Hindu Nationalists and western Islamophobes? Why does he not condemn Islamophobia?

Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh moderated the debate.

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Haq's Musings: Tarek Fatah vs Riaz Haq on India, Pakistan and Muslims

 

[GURU DUTT]

Haq's Musings: Tarek Fatah vs Riaz Haq on India, Pakistan and Muslims

Tarek Fatah, Canadian Muslim writer and broadcaster, and Riaz Haq, a Pakistani-American blogger, debate the following:



In a 2013 interview with Times of India, Tarek Fatah said, “Pakistan will soon disintegrate”. Is this a prediction or a wish? Why is he such a strong and vocal supporter ofBaloch insurgents? If Pakistan does disintegrate, what will be its fall-out for the region and the world?

When Tarek Fatah was asked in an NDTV interview about Donald Trump’s Muslim Ban, why did he criticize Muslims, Obama and western liberals rather than address the question directly?

Why is Tarek Fatah seen in the company of well-known anti-Islam bigots like Robert Spencer and Frank Gaffney on Fox News and as a guest of honor of RSS student wingABVP at JNU in India?

Why does Tarek Fatah pander to the Indian Hindu Nationalists and western Islamophobes? Why does he not condemn Islamophobia?

Viewpoint From Overseas host Faraz Darvesh moderated the debate.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

India's Proxy War Against Pakistan

Hinduization of India

Hindu Nationalists Admire Hitler, Nazis

Western Islamophobia Industry

Trump's Muslim Ban

Talk4Pak Think Tank

Haq's Musings: Tarek Fatah vs Riaz Haq on India, Pakistan and Muslims

Salaam Chachhaa good too see you at last a good arcticle from you cheers

 

[Areesh]

Appreciate your patience. It takes real patience to talk to this "farigh tatta".

 

[xyxmt]

looking at Tarek Fateh's communication abilities the only way he could speak is in the company of the same views, he has no knowledge and ability to present arguments and counter arguments. He never or rarely appears in the shows with other Muslims, so the only way he can better his journalist carrier is to appear on the anti muslim shows where everyone is saying the same thing as him and he cant defend Islam or Muslim because he simply does not have the abilities. you do what you must to make a living and some people have morales and some dont.

 

[Hiptullha]

looking at Tarek Fateh's communication abilities the only way he could speak is in the company of the same views, he has no knowledge and ability to present arguments and counter arguments. He never or rarely appears in the shows with other Muslims, so the only way he can better his journalist carrier is to appear on the anti muslim shows where everyone is saying the same thing as him and he cant defend Islam or Muslim because he simply does not have the abilities. you do what you must to make a living and some people have morales and some dont.

It's very obvious that this guy's home ground is Twitter where he is surrounded by Indian sycophants prepared to shout down any opposing view. You should take a look at the arguments he gets into on that platform. He's a sub-par debater frequently resorting to attacking opponents.

 

[T-72M1]

why is Tarek Fatah's audio botched ?

bookmarked, will watch later.

 

[RiazHaq]

Pankaj Mishra: #India's Savage, Invisible War, Unreason on #Kashmir, original sin of #Indian nationalism India's Savage, Invisible War - Bloomberg View via @BV
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Kashmiri Muslims remain as disaffected as ever -- and with good reason. A few hours before the assault on JNU last week, Indian security forces shot dead two Kashmiri students in the valley. The Indian media, and even those protesting against the scoundrels of patriotism, barely noticed just another day of impunity in Kashmir.

Neither such routine killings (by Indian govt), nor the endless crackdowns and curfews have changed or will change Kashmir’s ground realities. But last week’s multi-pronged assaults on JNU students revealed how profoundly and extensively a sustained lynch-mob hysteria over Kashmir had damaged Indian institutions -- security agencies and the legal system, as well as the media and the larger public sphere -- long before Modi’s ascent to power. In this sense, a long, savage but largely invisible war on India’s margins is finally coming home.

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Last week, a tragic farce overwhelmed India just as Narendra Modi was promoting his ambitious “Make in India” program to spur domestic manufacturing. It began with Zee News, a jingoistic and vastly influential television channel, whose owner had openly campaigned for Modi’s election in 2014. Zee broadcast an amateur video that showed students at the prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), India’s version of the London School of Economics, shouting slogans in favor of Kashmir’s independence and against the 2013 execution of Afzal Guru, a Kashmiri accused of attacking the Indian parliament in 2001.

Some other ultra-patriotic channels picked up Zee’s accusatory refrain against JNU students: that they were “anti-national.” Modi’s home minister declared his resolve not to “spare” the culprits. His education minister tweeted her angry refusal to tolerate any “insult to Mother India.” Delhi police raided the university campus. They arrested, among others, the president of the student union and a former teacher, charging them with sedition no less.

The home minister quoted a tweet supporting JNU students by Hafiz Saeed, a notorious Pakistani militant, to accuse them of links with evildoers. Exercised about the insults to Mother India, a mob of politicians and pro-Modi lawyers at a Delhi court beat up -- on two successive days, as a crowd of policemen stood by -- journalists as well as JNU students, including the one accused of treason.

Soon after these extraordinary events it emerged that not only did Saeed’s supposed endorsement come from a parody Twitter account, but the original video of sloganeering students had also been doctored.

An avalanche of scorn has landed on the Modi government and its seedy partisans in the Indian media. Adverse international headlines have made “Fake in India” and “Hate in India” seem more plausible ventures than Make in India for now.

A government driven hither and thither by Twitter burlesque is guilty of abysmal ineptitude. But frenzied deception and self-deception over Kashmir are not unique to Hindu nationalists. Rather, unreason on Kashmir is the original sin of Indian nationalism, secular as well as hardline Hindu.

Tens of thousands have died during more than two decades of a vicious Pakistan-backed insurgency and counter-insurgency in Indian-ruled Kashmir; an unknown number have been tortured or “disappeared.” The violence drove away an entire community of Kashmiri Hindus from the valley where most of the state’s population lives.

During this time, the political and popular mood has progressively hardened in India. The extravagant middle-class fantasy of a “Global Indian Takeover” made local Kashmiri disaffection seem a trifling irritant -- to be tackled through a U.S.-led emasculation of Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I instinctively don't like this Fatah guy but unfortunately lot of what he say's is very true (in terms of some groups having dominated the state to the detriment of others) although it must be said equally lot of what he says is rubbish. For example the "Baloch" question is entirely misrepresented. If force was used by Pak to integrate it within Pakistan India did it on larger scale in the case of invasion of Free Hyderabad state.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I instinctively don't like this Fatah guy but unfortunately lot of what he say's is very true (in terms of some groups having dominated the state to the detriment of others) although it must be said equally lot of what he says is rubbish. For example the "Baloch" question is entirely misrepresented. If force was used by Pak to integrate it within Pakistan India did it on larger scale in the case of invasion of Free Hyderabad state.

There is no one in Hyderabad then or now who wants to secede from India. Pakistan on the other hand keeps insisting that the people of Andhra should have been allowed to continue under the illegitimate government of the Nizam who was stingy and unhygienic (having refused to take a bath for several years). WHen the illegitimate Nizam was removed and replaced by people's representatives some of the greatest leaders of our times, including CHandrababu Naidu rose. THAT is the government people deserved. Not the shitty Nizam- good that his son died anonymously in Turkey. We'd have thrashed him to an inch of his life if he ever came back asking for his 'previlages'.

 

[That Guy]

@RiazHaq You have the patience of a saint. I wouldn't be able to control myself, if I was talking to that buffoon of a man.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@RiazHaq You have the patience of a saint. I wouldn't be able to control myself, if I was talking to that buffoon of a man.

Saint Riaz, maybe you should petition Vatican.

 

[That Guy]

Saint Riaz, maybe you should petition Vatican.

lol, they'd probably either laugh, or ask me who the hell I am.
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Baluchistan an independent country? What is Tarek Fatah smoking? Baluchistan has never been independent, ever.

"The Khans of Kalat, who lived in modern-day Pakistan Balochistan, were the rulers of Kalat. They were never fully independent, there was always a paramount power to whom they were subject. In the earliest times they were merely petty chiefs: later they bowed to the orders of the Mughal emperors of Delhi and to the rulers of Kandahar, and suppliedmen-at-arms on demand. Most peremptory orders from the Afghan rulers to their vassals of Kalat are still extant, and the predominance of the Sadozais and Barakzais was acknowledged so late as 1838. It was not until the time of Nasir Khan I that the titles of Beglar Begi (Chief of Chiefs) and Wali-i-Kalat (Governor of Kalat) were conferred on the Kalat ruler by the Afghan kings."

History of Balochistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[django]

This iblis tarek fatah is a well known gustaf e rasool, the less verbal diahorea we hear from him the better

 

[RiazHaq]

Tarek Fatah, the Pakistan and Muslim basher, who's received a lot of adulation by the Indian Hindu diaspora and been an honored guest Hindu Nationalists in India, called for dissolution of India in an interview a few years ago:

Tarek Fateh calls for dissolution of India into multiple nations

"India, the whole sub-continent, you see it was never been one country....even during the British, India has not been one country under Ashoka, not even under Aurangzeb

The future that I see, if I had my dreams come true, something like Europe, the entities that exist are Bengal. Punjab with no borders, common currency,

there's more in common between someone in Lahore and Delhi than between someone between Delhi and Madras.

Break-up of India, that's my analysis of what will happen in the future, if it's ever dissolved voluntarily, would be best thing to happen to India, like Europe has.

 

[RiazHaq]

Row breaks out over #TarekFatah's insults at Panjab University in #chandigarh #India | The Indian Express

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...k-fatah-comment-at-panjab-university-4404142/

A HUGE row broke out between Panjab University students and Pakistan-born Canadian writer Tarek Fatah after the latter allegedly called a J&K student terrorist. Tarek had been invited to deliver a Tedx talk on Balochistan. After the fracas, the organisers called off his talk, scheduled for Thursday.
Gagandeep Singh Dhillon, a PhD scholar in geography, said: “I was sitting at the physics canteen when Tarek came and began an informal interaction with students. We were discussing yesterday’s Nagrota terror attack. When he was talking to us, the department librarian came. When the students rose to show respect, Tarek told them, ‘Indians need to stop giving such treatment to their seniors’.”

Dhillon said Tarek mocked at the librarian and asked him to tell the students to sit. Immediately, an altercation ensued. Among those arguing was Mustafa, a PhD scholar from Kargil. “Tarek was saying, ‘He would not stand up for his own father, why are you all standing up for this person’. When I objected, he told me, ‘Hey you gori chamdi, where are you from?’ When Mustafa replied, Tarek allegedly responded with ‘You’re a Pakistani terrorist, you’re an anti-national’.”
Also, Tarek allegedly told Dhillon, “You are a Khalistani.”
Another PhD student Ganeshwari said when she asked Tarek his opinion about her, he said, “You are the real patriot because of your religion.”
Tarek said he called Mustafa a Pakistani “because he was behaving like one”. He said before the altercation, the group was discussing Tuesday’s terror attack. “My view was that India needs to retaliate in the strongest terms. That upset him leading to an argument.”
According to Tarek, suddenly, “a dozen men” arrived. “This was an attack planned by the Congress youth wing and people backing Left ideology.”
A PU spokesman said, “The university neither invited anyone nor cancelled any event.”
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