Tareen meets Aleem, likely to announce new political party in 72 hrs

[Jango]

In fact, the rise of Imran Khan in Pakistan has a lot to do with the decline of PPP in Punjab.

Personal anecdote.

Almost 50% of my family members (the older ones) were previously PPP supporters. I am talking the 80's and 90's. Now they are with PTI

 

[nbamba]

The bolded part: Most likely scenario.
PPP has a remote chance: On the basis of rural Sindh seats alone, PPP should have several dozen MNAs. Combine with a few from other provinces and a coalition with either PMLN or some PTI spinoff, a political bargain can make a PPP PM--remote, but possible. In 1993, Benazir had many many seats in Punjab Assembly but ended up having Muslim League guy with only a handful of seats as the CM of Punjab while Benazir became the PM.

You see: It is not always the topmost slot like PM or CM which matters in bargains. Important portfolios and appointments. Advisors. Minister of State...

But one thing I am sure of-and sure of as soon as I saw Shirin Mazari leaving PTI: Imran is not going to be the next PM of Pakistan for at least next few years--if ever.

In fact, the rise of Imran Khan in Pakistan has a lot to do with the decline of PPP in Punjab. Although ZAB is a Sindhi, his political foundation has always been in Punjab. If you think about the 1 million people who welcomed Benazir in Lahore in 1986, you will know that PPP in Punjab is not weak at all.But Zardari's pragmatism (he is allied with the Chaudhry family, who have a blood feud with the Bhutto family) and extremely poor governance performance have caused the PPP to lose its popularity even among the poorer social classes in Punjab, and the PPP Unable to campaign in Punjab under threat of Taliban attack in 2013, all factors contributed to Imran Khan's rise. Without the void created by the complete decline of the PPP in Punjab, it is hard to imagine how Imran Khan, who founded PTI from 1996 to 2008 with only one seat, would have room to grow.

 

[Meengla]

In fact, the rise of Imran Khan in Pakistan has a lot to do with the decline of PPP in Punjab. Although ZAB is a Sindhi, his political foundation has always been in Punjab. If you think about the 1 million people who welcomed Benazir in Lahore in 1986, you will know that PPP in Punjab is not weak at all.But Zardari's pragmatism (he is allied with the Chaudhry family, who have a blood feud with the Bhutto family) and extremely poor governance performance have caused the PPP to lose its popularity even among the poorer social classes in Punjab, and the PPP Unable to campaign in Punjab under threat of Taliban attack in 2013, all factors contributed to Imran Khan's rise. Without the void created by the complete decline of the PPP in Punjab, it is hard to imagine how Imran Khan, who founded PTI from 1996 to 2008 with only one seat, would have room to grow.

You know it is really hard to say to what extent the Establishment's role was in destroying PPP. But on the bolded part: You are right: PPP, ANP and maybe even MQM candidates in 2013 couldn't campaign due to the threat of terrorism while Imran Khan was walking in the park during the campaign!! Why so? Because Imran was playing his usual duplicitous game by calling the terrorists hiding in the tribal areas as 'Apney Log' (our own people) being bombed to please America and gain dollars.

I think Zardari has actually saved the PPP which was facing a certain obliteration after Benazir's death. PPP is a dynastic party and the heir was killed. Zardari cleverly added 'Bhutto' to his kids' names and managed not only hold onto power in the second largest province of Pakistan since 2008 but even formed a Federal govt. Kudos to his wheeling and dealing!! And you are right about Zardari: He is quite acceptable to the Establishment. He is the most pragmatist of all leading figures in Pakistan. I just wished his party believed in 'governance'.

About Benazir's death: I don't know to what extent the 'Establishment' was involved. It was certainly not in the then President Musharraf's benefits to have her killed; after her death, Musharraf's exodus became inevitable. Fact is that the religious militants had a particular hatred for ANP and PPP politicians! Look at how many of them were killed by them!! Benazir was one more victim but it was her stupidity of sticking her head out the bullet-proof SUV's sunroof that killed her.

 

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[PakAlp]

You know it is really hard to say to what extent the Establishment's role was in destroying PPP. But on the bolded part: You are right: PPP, ANP and maybe even MQM candidates in 2013 couldn't campaign due to the threat of terrorism while Imran Khan was walking in the park during the campaign!! Why so? Because Imran was playing his usual duplicitous game by calling the terrorists hiding in the tribal areas as 'Apney Log' (our own people) being bombed to please America and gain dollars.
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So many PPP gatherings were attacked by the terrorists, ANP leadership was targeted and many leaders were killed, so realistically ppp and anp couldn't even campaign for 2013 elections, they were not held on fair grounds.

Pti and Pmln freely campaigned. Pmln called them our brothers and we are one. These both parties were also against military operations whilst ppp and Anp were pro operations. Thankfully the operations were a success and we reduced terrorist attacks.

About Benazir's death: I don't know to what extent the 'Establishment' was involved. It was certainly not in the then President Musharraf's benefits to have her killed; after her death, Musharraf's exodus became inevitable. Fact is that the religious militants had a particular hatred for ANP and PPP politicians! Look at how many of them were killed by them!! Benazir was one more victim but it was her stupidity of sticking her head out the bullet-proof SUV's sunroof that killed her.

Ppp, Anp, Mqm, JUP, sunni ittehad council, Tlp (wasn't official party then) PAT were all anti terrorism parties, they all were targeted by TTP, look at how many sunni masjids and darbars were targeted. MWM is another party who was anti TTP.

Whilst Pmln, Pti, Jui, JI, LJ, SSP, ASWJ, TJ, and all pro terrorist party got away with it.

After Benazir killing, it was game over for General Musharaff, I dont believe he did it, he was removed afterwards. However its possible certain organisations act on their own without the generals permission. It does happen in the USA too, CIA at times acts independently.

I still cannot understand how TTP was so powerful and effective. Once a scholar issued a fatwa against TTP and TTP leader mentioned they will target him, so from Waziristan they planned it and excuted him in Lahore with a child suicide bomber. How can they be so powerful and effective, a mystery.

 

[nbamba]

So many PPP gatherings were attacked by the terrorists, ANP leadership was targeted and many leaders were killed, so realistically ppp and anp couldn't even campaign for 2013 elections, they were not held on fair grounds.

Pti and Pmln freely campaigned. Pmln called them our brothers and we are one. These both parties were also against military operations whilst ppp and Anp were pro operations. Thankfully the operations were a success and we reduced terrorist attacks.



Ppp, Anp, Mqm, JUP, sunni ittehad council, Tlp (wasn't official party then) PAT were all anti terrorism parties, they all were targeted by TTP, look at how many sunni masjids and darbars were targeted. MWM is another party who was anti TTP.

Whilst Pmln, Pti, Jui, JI, LJ, SSP, ASWJ, TJ, and all pro terrorist party got away with it.

After Benazir killing, it was game over for General Musharaff, I dont believe he did it, he was removed afterwards. However its possible certain organisations act on their own without the generals permission. It does happen in the USA too, CIA at times acts independently.

I still cannot understand how TTP was so powerful and effective. Once a scholar issued a fatwa against TTP and TTP leader mentioned they will target him, so from Waziristan they planned it and excuted him in Lahore with a child suicide bomber. How can they be so powerful and effective, a mystery.

After the two assassinations in Rawalpindi and Karachi in 2007, the crime scenes were quickly cleaned up, exactly the same plot, apparently because some very powerful and powerful figures in the deep state and intelligence agencies of Pakistan ordered a cover-up and sabotage Investigation, if this is purely done by TTP, there is absolutely no need for such a cover-up. However, Zardari and the PPP president did not show any interest in solving the case during their five-year tenure. This also made many loyal PPP supporters very disappointed with Zardari. Thing to mock PPP

 

[PakAlp]

After the two assassinations in Rawalpindi and Karachi in 2007, the crime scenes were quickly cleaned up, exactly the same plot, apparently because some very powerful and powerful figures in the deep state and intelligence agencies of Pakistan ordered a cover-up and sabotage Investigation, if this is purely done by TTP, there is absolutely no need for such a cover-up. However, Zardari and the PPP president did not show any interest in solving the case during their five-year tenure. This also made many loyal PPP supporters very disappointed with Zardari. Thing to mock PPP

General Musharaff came on tv and said he doesn't know why the crime scene was cleaned up, he also lost his power afterwards so who was responsible? Benazir killing didn't benefit Musharaff and PPP also came to power. He certainly didn't benefit. When General Zia ul Haq was killed, his crime scene was also covered up, who was responsible?

Regarding Benazir killing, Pakistan government stance was she hit her head and died but we all know she was shot in the head. Zardari on TV said she was shot in the head, also Sherry Rehman mentioned the same but no investigation was done. Forget Zardari or PPP but why our security agencies won't mentioned what happened to her, how she was killed, they even lie about her being shot in the head.

I agree if TTP was responsible then why our government and agencies would cover up her being shot in the head, clean the crime scene etc. The answer is obvious.

 

[PakAlp]

SKA is the biggest conman in Pakistani politics currently.

His gripe is with Ishaq Dar and SS, not with NS or PML at large.

Just look at his interviews. The day NS comes back SKA will be back into PML as a minister.

Much more respect for Miftah who at least isn't sucking up to N and the current politicians, as well as Mustafa Khokhar.

SKA's narrative these days is all 'Judge aur bureaucrat zyada kharab hain syasatdan say'. Whenever someone questions him about politicians or NS, he side steps the questions.

From his talk shows he is clearly encouraging changes in the system, making changes in the beaucracy, devolving power to local levels. He wants politicians, ghq, judiciary to sit and workout a long term plan for Pakistan.

 

[Jango]

From his talk shows he is clearly encouraging changes in the system, making changes in the beaucracy, devolving power to local levels. He wants politicians, ghq, judiciary to sit and workout a long term plan for Pakistan.

Precisely.

He has no qualms about criticizing Zardari or IK, but NS par is ki bolti band ho jati hai, and he comes to the 'system' which he was a part of.

Is say koi poochay keh Airblue ki equipment kay liay duty tum nay kyun zero ki thi? Tab chup ho jaye ga

 

[SaadH]

PPP and Bilawal? How much do you know about Pakistani politics?
No amount of 'engineering' can make PPP get even a quarter of seats in Punjab.
The next govt. is going to be led by the Noon League with PPP given the bone in Sindh.
And I disagree with you and PDF: Pakistan is not going to be 'history' because Imran is becoming 'history'. Let's reconnect after some months or a year to see where Pakistan would be.

You underestimate the power of ISI, despite representing a minority ethnic group in Sindh, they still managed to win 2/3 of the NA seats, courtesy of fraudulent censuses under the watch of establishment and other maneuvering/engineering in the background.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Jahangir Tareen to move ECP for registration of new party today​

ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) secretary general Jahangir Tareen’s legal team will likely move the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) today for registration of the new political party, ARY News reported on Friday, quoting sources.
On Thursday, Tareen sought recommendations from his political companions for names for his new political party.
Sources familiar with the development further said Tareen will continue meeting the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf deserts in Lahore today and is also scheduled to meet former AJK prime minister Tanveer Ilyas and Pakistan Muslim League-Q chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain.

The legal team of Tareen will move the ECP for registration of the new party, the sources said.
A few days ago, senior politician Jahangir Tareen met the former Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf provincial minister Aleem Khan for the formation of a new political alliance.
Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan discussed matters related to the future of the people who have resigned and the making of a new party.
Sources revealed that participants of the meeting suggested making a new political party instead of a pressure group as the political party will be able to stand for people’s rights.

Jahangir Tareen to move ECP for registration of new party today

ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) secretary general Jahangir Tareen's legal team will likely move the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP)

arynews.tv

 

[PakAlp]

This must be raising eyebrows in PDM and questions such as what is the motive of the establishment, will PDM too be sidelined? Pmln is strong in Punjab but PPP and Pmlq would love the ex Pti guys to join them.

Former PTI PM of AJK also joining new PTI

Will move forward together with Jahangir Tareen, says ex-AJK PM Tanveer Ilyas

"Good news is on the way for PTI members looking for a position of leadership in other parties," he says.

www.dawn.com

Former PTI MPA joins Jahangir Tareen's group

LAHORE: Former Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) MPA Niaz Gishkori joined the senior politician Jahangir Tareen's group, ARY News reported. As per details,

arynews.tv

Jahangir Tareen to move ECP for registration of new party today

ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) secretary general Jahangir Tareen's legal team will likely move the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP)

arynews.tv

 

[PakAlp]

It is certainly a loss in Pakistan when the most popular political party is being dismantled and its vote bank will feel the loss. But IF there is stability and sound economic policies for the next 5-10 years then people are people: They would be part of the political process again.

The PTI vote bank is smart and adaptable. Many are cultist but, in the end, they are human beings and would adapt based on changed circumstances or to another popular narrative. It is a totally false premise that because Imran goes away, the people will not adapt. Have you wondered why Imran was losing the byelections leading to the April 2022 events? Have you wondered why Imran, knowing the NCM was coming up, did'nt call for elections in March 2022? Why didn't he do that: Because he was unsure of his re-election then! You see: People can change their political affiliations!

But then only time will tell who is right, right?!

Up till IK removal, so many people blamed IK for the inflation etc, whether right or wrong but the blame was on IK and PTI. As a politician IK should have dissolved the assemblies and go for elections before the NCM, he 100% knew he will loose because he lost the majority in the parliament. Sheikh Rasheed who is experienced and clever politician advised IK to dissolve assemblies, the establishment also advised him the same with their 3 options. People forget that PDM was making alot of noise and not listening to the establishment, I believe from around November time they wanted to bring NCM but were pressurised not to do it. The bigger question is should IK have been allowed to stay as PM when he didnt command the majority in the house? I understand dirty games were played but just sharing what actually happened.

 

[PakAlp]

Is there any possibility of PPP revival in Pakistan in the foreseeable future? After Benazir's death, under Zardari's thorough pragmatism leadership, the PPP has degenerated from a Pakistani national party with almost the same strength as PMLN to an influential party only in rural areas of Sindh province. Zardari was an unprincipled trader without any ideological charisma, which led to the complete decline of PPP. The two major political parties currently competing in Pakistan, PMLN and PTI, are both conservative right-wing parties. They have a compromise, concession, and negotiation attitude towards religious forces and the Taliban, and they are not progressive secular parties. Pakistan now has only two right-wing political parties competing, but there is no "left-wing party" with comparable strength, and there is no secular and progressive party that clearly opposes religious conservative forces and the Taliban. This is very unhealthy. If the PPP can never be revived, is it possible for Pakistan to produce a new strong leftist party?

MQM P? But highly unlikely they will be successful in all of Pakistan. ANP is another secular left leaning party. After the Bangladeshi war the Pakistani establishment turned towards right wing parties, the left wing secular nationalist party turn towards separatism if played dirty with.

PPP started of as Islamic socialist party and then turned secular during Benazir time, at the moment as you mentioned it doesn't have a clear ideology these days.

Divide and rule gora style.

The secterian molvis were also promoted to divide the religious people, keep them fighting among themselves, billions were invested in maddrassas, mosques, tv stations, schools, media.

 

[PakAlp]

@FOOLS_NIGHTMARE while your Noon League fights PTI and will definitely lose this battle, the establishment is creating a new face for itself. This will eliminate Noon League as King's party leaving Billo Rani in the race for PM. Establishment loves Billo.

Noon League has no future. Its only establishment which can carry such political dead bodies. Its establishment which brought you in govt carrying Shehbaz on its shoulders.

PmlN under Shabaz Sharif is close to the military, its badde Mian who had a fallout, even then SS was opposing Nawaz attacks on the establishment and Bajwa. PPP project will not work, the government will be under PmlN and SS as PM, coalition partners will be Ppp, Pmlq, Jui, Bap, MqmP, JT PTI (MqmP, JT Pti, Bap will be used to keep Pmln is check).

The future we cannot say, Maryam Nawaz, Bilawal, Hamza Shabaz will eventually overtake the role of their fathers. I dont see Bilawal as a success after Zardari, Maryam is also useless. Hamza Shabaz most likely.