TAPI Pipeline: Despite Security Issues, Bangladesh Expresses Interest

[idune]

Beleive me...none of these pipeline is going to work out because there are too many surpising events lined up in both Pakistan and Afganistan after US moves out of Afganistan in 2014....These are just US containment statergy to contain India,Pakistan and Iran through different means....Ultimately..South Asia will suffer ....

Finally someone spoken some sense. IP is possibility as Iran already built pipeline upto Pakistan border. If Pakistan can have political will and can overcome US-Saudi pressure, finance from third country could accommodate the pipeline.Pakistan should send clear message to Saudis - pay up $5 billion/year for oil and gas or shut up. And if India is really interested then india should use its trick on Saudis so Pakistan can bring the gas. Once Pakistan gets the gas, india could easily (given commercial agreement in place) extend that pipeline.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

I heard that India and Iran is trying to find a mechanism through which Iran will export the gas to Qatar and from Qatar it will be exported to India by an under sea pipe line... By doing this India will not directly import gas from Iran. Does anyone have any idea about that.

 

[culivert]

Whynot? India will only pay if the gas arrives in India. So does it matter if the gas travelled to pakistan or not. Also India should not 100% depend on it. It should use to supplement its need.

Not really!! India will take delivery of gas at Afghan-Turkmen border by paying for the gas. What is left now is the transit fees which India needs to pay to Pakistan and Afghanistan and the Wheeling Charges that India needs to pay to the consortium operating the pipeline. The transit fee and wheeling charges are around 0.5 USD/Mmbtu each whereas the gas price that India will be paying at Afghan-Turkmen border is around USD 10/Mmbtu.
So you see all India controls is the transit fee and the wheeling charges which are minuscule.
There is a huge security risk involved for India.
Right now only thing going for the project is the US support.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Your argument in favour of nuclear weapon is too flawed. USA had nuclear weapons when Mullah Khomeini took over from the Shah. Could the USA use that bomb on Iran? Iran is today without atoms, so I ask you why USA is not attacking Iran then with nuclear weapons instead of negotiating? Please think logically.

What Iraq could have done to the USA even with nuclear weapons? Iraq had chemical weapons, why did it not use it against USA or Kuwait?

N. weapon is not a toy that some of you may be fond of playing in a computer game. This weapon will not give any security to any country. Do you really think USA would have invaded North Korea if that country had no N. weapons? Why it is necessary for the USA to do so? N. Weapons are not for use.

By the way what security guarantee for Iran you are talking about. Is it israel? Oh, Iran is then afraid of that tiny Israel. Sanctions will be removed after Iran agrees not to pursue nuclear ambition. What are you talking about gaddafi & his nuclear weapons? Do not you read international newspapers?

Do you think USA invaded Gaddafi? It was the Libiyans who deposed and killed him. He ought to be deposed because he was an autocrat ruling Libiya for more than 30 years. He wanted his son to become the ruler after his death. I lived in Libiya for about 13 months, I know much about the interior of that country.

Anyway, keep on thinking that n. weapon is a toy that can be used at ease like defecating by the cows. Who can stop you from thinking like that? It is your choice.

I disagree with you regarding the Libya stuff. Libya operation was A-Z western operation. Rebels were very less in number and they did not have the power to overthrow Gaddafi. Not only that Gaddafi had around 70% support of the whole population. Lastly the person who killed Gaddafi was a french spy and he did that with the instruction of Sarkozy as Gaddafi was threatening to him that he would reveal the secret deals through which Sarkozy took money from Gaddafi during the election. For your info under Gaddafi Libya became mos developed country in Africa, literacy rates improved and living standard imroved dramatically. It is true he had many fault but still that was better then many other dictators of middle east and for controlling Libya where there are many different tribes and clash with each other is a common phenomena.

Regarding using of nuke by USA is not a easy matter. They needs to show the world and country man they had no other option before using that but no such situation came any time. But they used all sort of bomb and chemical weapon in those places. I can assure you if USA ever think that they needs to use nuke they wont be hesitated to do so. Regarding Iran war Bush tried to sell it in many ways but USA tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq and possible financial trouble tied them up for going into the war. Zionists tried to sell the war and still trying for long. Same also here before using nuke USA needs to show the world yes it is really a necessity. Did you forgot what Hilary Clinton said regarding nuking Iran???

 

[INDIC]

Whynot? India will only pay if the gas arrives in India. So does it matter if the gas travelled to pakistan or not. Also India should not 100% depend on it. It should use to supplement its need.

Central Asia have world's largest reserve of gas, if we are buying and spending on gas import, it will be large amount only.

 

[RISING SUN]

Question for Indians:
1. Which one do you prefer: TAPI or IPI?
2. What is the concern in IPI? USA pressure or Pak in between that can block it when it wants to?
3. Can you continue exporting it to Thailand and Malaysia and etc too?

Answer from Indian:-
1. IPI-more secure,Iran friendly country,less countries-less bureaucracy & other problems.
2. Prime concern is security in Pakistan & in future blackmailing, problem in payment to Iran from India, rate should be economically feasible for end users.
4. Why not, it will cover expenses done from our end but there is one confusion coming in my mind. if we are extending it so much then it may loose it economical rate of scale & pipeline capacity may be a factor which everyone is missing. It may not be possible to supply gas in extended length because of lack of capacity.

 

[Spring Onion]

Answer from Indian:-
1. IPI-more secure,Iran friendly country,less countries-less bureaucracy & other problems.
2. Prime concern is security in Pakistan & in future blackmailing, problem in payment to Iran from India, rate should be economically feasible for end users.
4. Why not, it will cover expenses done from our end but there is one confusion coming in my mind. if we are extending it so much then it may loose it economical rate of scale & pipeline capacity may be a factor which everyone is missing. It may not be possible to supply gas in extended length because of lack of capacity.

And why dont you see the same problem viz a viz TAPI

 

[Kaniska]

And why dont you see the same problem viz a viz TAPI

Cool dude...even TAPI will also not materialize..As i told you earlier...India and Pakistan are just pawn in the hands of big powers...There is no point in finding answer from each other....

 

[INDIC]

And why dont you see the same problem viz a viz TAPI

Time hasn't come for Pakistan to act as a transit for India because Pakistan can see nothing apart from Kashmir. It will be best option for India to look at alternate option of under sea pipeline.

 

[tyrant]

Time hasn't come for Pakistan to act as a transit for India because Pakistan can see nothing apart from Kashmir. It will be best option for India to look at alternate option of under sea pipeline.

Haha, this question may sound stupid but:
What if Pakistan or Iran mess up with the undersea pipeline?

 

[INDIC]

Haha, this question may sound stupid but:
What if Pakistan or Iran mess up with the undersea pipeline?

It is indeed stupid because Turmenistani gas will have to pass through Iran to get into India. Such pipeline certainly won't have any influence of Pakistan to be used as a leverage.

 

[Spring Onion]

Cool dude...even TAPI will also not materialize..As i told you earlier...India and Pakistan are just pawn in the hands of big powers...There is no point in finding answer from each other....

when will we turn into hawks from pawns in such cases?

 

[tyrant]

It is indeed stupid because Turmenistani gas will have to pass through Iran to get into India. Such pipeline certainly won't have any influence of Pakistan to be used as a leverage.

No, I meant the under-sea pipeline from Qatar to India.

 

[INDIC]

No, I meant the under-sea pipeline from Qatar to India.

Why do you think so.

 

[jha]

No, I meant the under-sea pipeline from Qatar to India.

That will be incredibly difficult to do.

In case of pipelines crossing through pakistan, it will have deniability that "non-state" actors had sabotaged the pipeline.
But sabotaging an under sea pipeline for "non-state" actors will be impossible. And if pakistani navy tries to do so in international water, that will be seen as an act of aggression against both Iran and India as pipeline of such import will be strategic in nature.
Sucg act of aggression will be given due reply by Indian Navy. And I dont think I have to explain what Indian Navy can do in Arabian Sea if it gets the green signal from Indian Govt. Will pakistan be able to afford such cost prohibitive game...? Only GHQ,Rawalpindi can answer that...