Tanks in FATA for counter insurgency

[Umair Nawaz]

Nah.. We are used to having terrorists as revered political and charity leaders in Pakistan. Whats an ACV named after a terrorists after that

Good the feeling is mutual with yr Modi and BJP is in power.

 

[foxbat]

The difference being that Modi and BJP are terrorists only for Pakistan (and that's good. I like the ones who terrorize Pakistanis) and the so called charity heads of Pakistan are designated terrorists by UNSC, USA, UK etc etc.

 

[Pakistanisage]

FATA Operation Zarb e Azb is a great Opportunity for training our Soldiers and testing our Equipment.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

LOL then our greats are just terrorists on indian minds. But heroes in pakistan. Just like yr Mangal Panday and Gandhi.

 

[Jungibaaz]

with this kind of fire power and air strikes being brought about in civilian conflict, what are the chances that post this all is over, the world bodies will come out with resolution after resolution against pakistan like they are currently doing it for Sri Lanka

This kind of firepower and strategy was used in Swat. And after Swat Op, it was pretty much considered as a model counter-insurgency op for this sort of war. Since then, the armed forces have honed in on their strategy and know exactly how to achieve what they want to achieve. Couple that with so many years of intel gathering, American intel support, induction and use of UAV's for recon and intel gathering.

Hence, your comments are nothing but pot shots.

 

[foxbat]

This kind of firepower and strategy was used in Swat. And after Swat Op, it was pretty much considered as a model counter-insurgency op for this sort of war. Since then, the armed forces have honed in on their strategy and know exactly how to achieve what they want to achieve. Couple that with so many years of intel gathering, American intel support, induction and use of UAV's for recon and intel gathering.

Hence, your comments are nothing but pot shots.

You had to spoil such an intelligent response with a stupid one liner in the end. ?

 

[Jungibaaz]

You had to spoil such an intelligent response with a stupid one liner in the end. ?

I could say a lot more, but I need not waste my time, your original post was a bit of an experiment post wasn't it? Am I right?

 

[foxbat]

I could say a lot more, but I need not waste my time, your original post was a bit of an experiment post wasn't it? Am I right?

Not really. I was sitting with a Sri Lankan Tamil from my office and debating whether the UN probes into SL's WoT are justified or not. And then I read this thread and popped the question. If I troll on a topic, I am more circumspect. This one was an honest thought ..

 

[shaheenmissile]

4 or 5 hits from the RPG can disable this tank but the crew module/cabin survived the hits. it happened during Swat ops in 2009.

Just 4-5 shots? Thats pathetic.
Israelis use chains for protection against RPG in lower parts of the Tank

Likewise metal mesh can be used for upper parts.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This kind of firepower and strategy was used in Swat. And after Swat Op, it was pretty much considered as a model counter-insurgency op for this sort of war. Since then, the armed forces have honed in on their strategy and know exactly how to achieve what they want to achieve. Couple that with so many years of intel gathering, American intel support, induction and use of UAV's for recon and intel gathering.

Hence, your comments are nothing but pot shots.

in Iraq the Abrams became hunters and their Bradly's were the killers.
American Abrams withstood whatever Iraqi insurgents could throw at them (Americans knew to keep the hatch closed unlike the Iraqi stooges).

Tank has mobility, firepower and fear factor. in counter insurgency it has been tired and tested by Pakistanis, Russians, Americans, Israelis, Syrians , Sri Lankans and Iraqis.

it will continue to spearhead our ground assaults. its excellent tool against neutralizing snipers and ambushes due to its longer range , protection and firepower.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Nah.. We are used to having terrorists as revered political and charity leaders in Pakistan. Whats an ACV named after a terrorists after that

Shame on India it cant do shat about it.

 

[Sinnerman108]

in Iraq the Abrams became hunters and their Bradly's were the killers.
American Abrams withstood whatever Iraqi insurgents could throw at them (Americans knew to keep the hatch closed unlike the Iraqi stooges).

Tank has mobility, firepower and fear factor. in counter insurgency it has been tired and tested by Pakistanis, Russians, Americans, Israelis, Syrians , Sri Lankans and Iraqis.

it will continue to spearhead our ground assaults. its excellent tool against neutralizing snipers and ambushes due to its longer range , protection and firepower.

Correct,
However a tank is better suited for an armored assault, or moving in long columns to destroy a large force i.e Large enemy structures, comm posts, and advancing enemy columns.

However in urban warfare the enemy's biggest weapon is RPG, and their biggest structure is mud build cottages.

Thus it makes more sense for some thing like this

Because there is no turret or a heavy gun, there is a good amount of weight saved thus increasing mobility and reducing maintenance.

Although originally this system uses 30mm guns, it may be reduced to smaller caliber for cost efficiency.

 

[Inception-06]

Are these used for Infantry support roles or independent roles? Judging by terrain and need i think Infantry support is their best suited role.

And to protect the supply and logistic lines on the roads !

Wouldn't be such a bad idea to deploy Sakab Armored Command and Control Vehicles to deploy and control UAVs along with tank movements. It can help us develop recon, target acquisition concepts to be deployed later against a conventional threat.

We are doing it !

Just 4-5 shots? Thats pathetic.
Israelis use chains for protection against RPG in lower parts of the Tank

Methods like this are cheap and good, I dont know why our Generals are not giving order for that ! Lack of resources ? Also Turret Skirts like the T-80UD has it and ERA Blocks would help to counter RPG threat........


I did post that in the past check it out:

HIT presented since 1999 3 Types of Alzarar Tank, from which 2 Types are in service:


Type 1 with a lot of ERA and notice the skirts under the turret it looks like they did copy it from the T-80UD Skirt:






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Type 2 has not the "T-80 turret skirts":





Type 3 looks modern, but I dont know it has less or more ERA protection than Type 1 and Type 2, also it has not the Turret Skirts:





The sense of the turret-side skirts was:

"Rubber skirts hangs from the turret front which is believed to reduce the signature of the T-80U and deflect top attack bomblets."



Army Guide - T-80, Main battle tank


It is sad that the Alkhalid Tank, Alzarrar Tanks and the Type-85IIMP have not this turret skirts.

Alzarrar Type-1 looks the best from protection in my opinion, Type 1 has a lot of ERA and notice the skirts under the turret it looks like they did copy it from the T-80UD Skirt:

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Correct,
However a tank is better suited for an armored assault, or moving in long columns to destroy a large force i.e Large enemy structures, comm posts, and advancing enemy columns.

However in urban warfare the enemy's biggest weapon is RPG, and their biggest structure is mud build cottages.

Thus it makes more sense for some thing like this

Because there is no turret or a heavy gun, there is a good amount of weight saved thus increasing mobility and reducing maintenance.

Although originally this system uses 30mm guns, it may be reduced to smaller caliber for cost efficiency.

yes the tanks are made for frontal Armour assaults on a conventional enemy. a turret and heavy gun is no hindrance but is actually far better than anything that lighter classes can offer. its gun can take out snipers hiding behind rubble .. the picture you show is that of a support vehicle its missile tubes and radar are far more vulnerable to RPG and heavy MG fire.
there are many videos like below where tank's main gun able to destory out sniper position which nothing else could

 

[nomi007]

Wow! Nice modification! But will it stand a hit from an RPG?

Secondly, can it swivel around independent of the turret?

Indian tanks are night blindness

Tanks’ ‘blindness’ to end by 2017
India will soon end the night blindness of its 2,100 Soviet-origin T-72 and 1,200 Russian-origin T-90 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs), apart from 1,780 Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICVs) bought from Russia.

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) on Tuesday gave its approval to a `2,820-crore proposal to buy night vision devices from the state-owned Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) to enhance the MBTs and ICVs’ capability to take on mechanised enemy troops in the dark.

The projects may be completed by 2017. The gaps in night vision capabilities of the Army tank fleet was one of the issues flagged by then Army Chief General V K Singh in his letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in early 2012 that got leaked to the media, triggering a Parliament uproar.

His predecessor, General Deepak Kapoor, too had raised the issue in January 2010, stating that about 80 per cent of the Soviet-origin 2,400 T-72 ‘Ajeya’ tanks, which form the backbone of the Army’s main tank regiments, were night-blind.Close to 80 per cent of Pakistan’s and 100 per cent of Chinese battle tank fleets have better night vision capabilities than India’s.

Among the proposals cleared by the DAC include the DRDO-developed Thermal Imaging (TI) systems with a 6-km range for commanders of all T-72 tank variants. The 2,000-odd TI systems will cost about `1,000 crore, officials said. Around 300 of the existing T-72 fleet are already fitted with the TI systems, on a pilot project basis.

An earlier effort to provide night vision with French Catherine Thermal Imagers on the 310 initial lot of Russian-origin T-90 tanks had failed. India, then, decided to upgrade its existing fleet of 800 tanks to provide TI sight of up to 200 metres to the Driver, up to 5,000 metres to the Gunner and about 400 metres to the Commander.


near 2017 we will replace our type-59 with latest tanks