Tank Ambush at Kushtia

[Moon]

That makes majority of Pakistan



Explain. How?

East and West Pakistan were two very different "states", and SMR's points were entirely tilted to the people of East Pakistan.


The Pakistani rupee was dependant on combined exports and revenue from both West and East Pakistan. Had a separate currency been chosen for both, it would hamper the whole process. The same can be said of the taxation, knowing East Pakistan had a larger population, and most of Pakistan's industries were being set up there too.

Secondly, had a seperate army been made fore East Pakistan and with the funds there were, it would mean that less forces would be placed on West Pakistan, which was more prone to Indian hostilities and a threat of being overrun was very viable.

Lastly as WAJsal stated:

Six points were fancy words for a different federation.

It was a tactic used by SMR to appease the larger East Pakistani population and keep them on top of the Western "state". We saw the amount of support such policies got in E.Pakistan, and knowing they had a larger population they would've drained West Pakistan.

You are citing Awami League's election manifesto. It has no meaning in a Parliamentary discussion. PAL would have required a 2/3rd majority to realize its election agenda. Sk. Mujib could not have unilaterally changed a Constitution or imposed one. Please do not talk lame excuses when President Yahya cancelled Parliament of 25th March without ever asking the majority Leader.

Bhutto was also a majority leader.
Read my earlier post, people have a habit of wildly thumping their chests.

 

[bluesky]

Bhutto was also a majority leader.
Read my earlier post, people have a habit of wildly thumping their chests.

In the Pakistan Parliament how Bhutto with his 81 seats could have been a majority leader when the total number of Seats were 300? Cannot you do even a simple math? Awami League had 160 seats. So, it was the majority party. PPP was a major party, and not a majority party.

 

[Moon]

In the Pakistan Parliament how Bhutto with his 81 seats could have been a majority leader when the total number of Seats were 300? Cannot you do even a simple math? Awami League had 160 seats. So, it was the majority party. PPP was a major party, and not a majority party.

Both are true, again read this post:
"East and West Pakistan were two very different "states", and SMR's points were entirely tilted to the people of East Pakistan. "

Bhutto had a majority in West Pakistan. You're failing to grasp what is written.

 

[bluesky]

Both are true, again read this post:
"East and West Pakistan were two very different "states", and SMR's points were entirely tilted to the people of East Pakistan. "

Bhutto had a majority in West Pakistan. You're failing to grasp what is written.

You better write a true Constitution for both East and West Pakistan, based on which we will unite again. Bravo!!! People should study Political Science based on your Theory.

 

[Moon]

You better write a true Constitution for both East and West Pakistan, based on which we will unite again. Bravo!!! People should study Political Science based on your Theory.

Really read what I've written. Maybe you should use the gray matter God had gifted you.

 

[Anubis]

Read about Mujib's points which he used to rally the support :
The constitution should provide for a Federation of Pakistan based on the Lahore Resolution, in its true sense based on the parliamentary form of government with supremacy of a Legislature directly elected on the basis of universal adult franchise.[1]
The federal government should deal with only two subjects: Defence and Foreign Affairs, and all other residual subjects should be vested in the federating states.[1]
Two separate, but freely convertible currencies for two wings should be introduced; or if this is not feasible, there should be one currency for the whole country, but effective constitutional provisions should be introduced to stop the flight of capital from East to West Pakistan. Furthermore, a separate Banking Reserve should be established and separate fiscal and monetary policy be adopted for East Pakistan.[1]
The power of taxation and revenue collection should be vested in the federating units and the federal centre would have no such power. The federation would be entitled to a share in the state taxes to meet its expenditures.[1]
There should be two separate accounts for the foreign exchange earnings of the two wings; the foreign exchange requirements of the federal government should be met by the two wings equally or in a ratio to be fixed; indigenous products should move free of duty between the two wings, and the constitution should empower the units to establish trade links with foreign countries.[1]
East Pakistan should have a separate military or paramilitary force, and Navy headquarters should be in East Pakistan.[1]

Now you may think this is all fine and "equal" but the fact was, these points were made to settle scores against West Pakistan. Note that although I'm against the actions of Bhutto, I disagree that the Six Point's should ever be entertained, these points would've ensured the destruction of West Pakistan entirely in the long term.

I doubt you have any clue about how democracy works....Its actually pretty simple....I get majority votes I form government....it does not matter whether you agree with my points or not...as long as the majority of the population agrees with me I form government and I materialize my election promises...You can never come up with any justification for not letting him form the government. You lost the election and you lost the war.

 

[Moon]

I doubt you have any clue about how democracy works....Its actually pretty simple....I get majority votes I form government....it does not matter whether you agree with my points or not...as long as the majority of the population agrees with me I form government and I materialize my election promises...You can never come up with any justification for not letting him form the government. You lost the election and you lost the war.

Opportunism in democracy is okay to an extent.
Stooping so low to gain support by promising to squeeze West Pakistan is another.
Once SRM went on the offensive, so did W.Pakistan. I never said we won the war.

 

[Anubis]

Opportunism in democracy is okay to an extent.
Stooping so low to gain support by promising to squeeze West Pakistan is another.
Once SRM went on the offensive, so did W.Pakistan. I never said we won the war.

How is it squeezing West Pakistan? You would have the same autonomy as East Pakistan. Unless ofcourse exploitation of EP was necessary for the survival of WP I do not see any reason not to support autonomy...especially when the two places are geographically and culturally separated.

 

[Moon]

How is it squeezing West Pakistan? You would have the same autonomy as East Pakistan. Unless ofcourse exploitation of EP was necessary for the survival of WP I do not see any reason not to support autonomy...especially when the two places are geographically and culturally separated.

The sad thing is, it was necessary. Although not to the extent that was cconducted.

 

[Jf Thunder]

This little battle could be turned into a great movie!!

we should actually start turning these little battles into movies
The Battle of Hilli
the battle of Hussainiwala etc

 

[gangsta_rap]

Events like these have been drowned out by the general outcome of the war unfortunately. That's why we don't hear them so often.

 

[Hellfire]

Any photos of this event?

The link for the complete article is here:

http://www.defencejournal.com/2000/nov/kushtia.htm

@Signalian

It remains a classical case where the Junior Leadership showed determination and grit when the senior leadership was at odds with them.

I believe this has been discussed earlier too:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tank-ambush-at-kushtia.143936/

@Dubious @Arsalan

Request merge the same if okay with @Signalian

 

[War Thunder]

Chafee is an amazing light tank to drive
I love it just as much as the German Leopard light tank, and the AMX 13 75 French.
While the Chinese Wz 131 aint bad either...

amazing tanks to own...

dam no video link no web link to pictures. internet generation wont believe it

yeh lein

bas isko wohi battle samajh lein

 

[Hellfire]

@War Thunder I guess @Irfan Baloch refers to the lack of any 'evidence' in terms of the Battle itself (to quote a Pakistani member PAKISTANFOREVER , whose only contribution in a thread remains 'GENUINE, IRREFUTABLE, RELIABLE, HONEST & HARD evidence' )

On point, now that we have come here.
@Irfan Baloch

Sir.

Any inputs on the Hussainiwala part of 1971 war? I recall as a kid (was roaming in Fazilka & heard the legend from IA troops itself) that a Pakistani Lieutenant (from SSG if I recall correctly) kept up a tenacious defence in that particular region against Indian attempts (through troops ex 67 Brigade) to regain the portion of Indian DCB lost to him in the first place. And all through the war, he could not be overwhelmed.

@Joe Shearer It has been almost 3 decades since I heard the story, don't recall much. But, I do recall that he went back after the war. And he was the reason that a Major (from our side) was awarded a VrC (Posthumous) (I think), as the Major was the only one who could reach the actual location of the Lieutenant's defences and was killed by a burst from his MMG . The lieutenant, apparently, left back a note with the remains, praising the officer for his courage and leadership.

@Nilgiri @jbgt90

@Signalian Any inputs on this story? That, if you can verify, would be worth a write up at least. I was impressed and remain impressed till date. We paid a disproportionately high price for our failure in that. One can visit a memorial over our KIAs limited to that particular sub-sector to witness the price.

@MUSTAKSHAF @salarsikander

 

[War Thunder]

@War Thunder I guess @Irfan Baloch refers to the lack of any 'evidence' in terms of the Battle itself (to quote a Pakistani member PAKISTANFOREVER , whose only contribution in a thread remains 'GENUINE, IRREFUTABLE, RELIABLE, HONEST & HARD evidence' )

On point, now that we have come here.
@Irfan Baloch

Sir.

Any inputs on the Hussainiwala part of 1971 war? I recall as a kid (was roaming in Fazilka & heard the legend from IA troops itself) that a Pakistani Lieutenant (from SSG if I recall correctly) kept up a tenacious defence in that particular region against Indian attempts (through troops ex 67 Brigade) to regain the portion of Indian DCB lost to him in the first place. And all through the war, he could not be overwhelmed.

@Joe Shearer It has been almost 3 decades since I heard the story, don't recall much. But, I do recall that he went back after the war. And he was the reason that a Major (from our side) was awarded a VrC (Posthumous) (I think), as the Major was the only one who could reach the actual location of the Lieutenant's defences and was killed by a burst from his MMG . The lieutenant, apparently, left back a note with the remains, praising the officer for his courage and leadership.

@Nilgiri @jbgt90

@Signalian Any inputs on this story? That, if you can verify, would be worth a write up at least. I was impressed and remain impressed till date. We paid a disproportionately high price for our failure in that. One can visit a memorial over our KIAs limited to that particular sub-sector to witness the price.

@MUSTAKSHAF @salarsikander

eh mate
A battle is a battle, that one or this one...