Talwar Class Frigate of Navy being loaded with Shtil-1 surface to air missile at INS Kadamba

[ni8mare]

We use SS-N-15 ASW missile from heavy torpedo tubes on bigger ships.Its rough russian equivalent of ASROC though less sophisticated.

wiki say nuclear anti-sub torpedo and has 0.9 Mach in water.........

Wont compared to ASROC .....SS-N-15 9 is slow ?

Grigorovich class (russian talwar version) actually has only 2x12.
Russian Navy Thread 2. - Page 30

looks like it is 24 vls only ......which is low in no number (also will in talwer)

talwer should go with this VL system

found Gorshkov-class frigate quite good fire power 16 AShm and 32 anti air missile

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what is your opinion of Shtil-1 vs Barak 8?
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Whereas many Westen navies have opted for the use of lightweight 324mm ASW torpedoes for both close in ASW and as helicopter-delivered long range ASW system, Russia has traditionally combined RBU, specifically RBU-60000 with dual purpose heavyweight torpedoes (ASuW/ASW). Any shipborn Ka-27 and Ka-28 use 1 × 350mm (APR-3E), 400mm (AT-1M, VTT-1) or 450mm (UMGT-1 Orlan) ASW-torpedo or -missiles

The RBU-6000 can double as an close-in anti-torpedo self-defence weapon. Only few Western navies (US, South Korea, Japan) still use ASROC, which provides and intermediate weapons between ship and air-launched lightweight torpedo. Russia does have ASW rockets, including 50km 91RE1 member of the Club family (follow on to 45km SS-N-15 and 100km SS-N-16), but these tend to be fairly large and longer range than the US ASROC (which extends the surface and sub launch ASW range of light weights out from 10-12km to 19-22km).

I thought that RBU-6000 only uses unguided bombs which is different then ASROC which uses torpedo
I have no knowledge of RBU-6000 using torpedo as projectile...it is ?
why Russia dont uses 91RE1 like Western navies?

 

[Abingdonboy]

what is your opinion of Shtil-1 vs Barak 8?

The active seeker on the BARAK-8 coupled with its TVC makes it truly deadly (perhaps amongst the most deadly in service today) and far more advanced and effective than the Shitil.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

wiki say nuclear anti-sub torpedo and has 0.9 Mach in water.........

Wont compared to ASROC .....SS-N-15 9 is slow ?

looks like it is 24 vls only ......which is low in no number (also will in talwer)

talwer should go with this VL system

found Gorshkov-class frigate quite good fire power 16 AShm and 32 anti air missile

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what is your opinion of Shtil-1 vs Barak 8?
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I thought that RBU-6000 only uses unguided bombs which is different then ASROC which uses torpedo
I have no knowledge of RBU-6000 using torpedo as projectile...it is ?
why Russia dont uses 91RE1 like Western navies?

SS-N-15/16(non-nuclear) i think was procured for delhi class to be launched from torpedo tubes onboard ship.The larger ships(destroyers/shivalik) possibly have them-not talwar.

Gorshkov is russia's next generation frigate,only a very few built yet.Numbers cut down due to price.Its better than talwar for sure.

shtil-1 vs barak is no comparison.Barak is way better.

RBU uses unguided bombs and depth charges,against subs and incoming torpedoes.
What you quoted dual purpose torpedoes meant dueal purpose heavyweight torpedo tubes which can launch conventional torpedoes or ss-n-15/16 series.
Financial problems mostly,russian navy is only now waking up.New ships will have full variations of the kalibr complex(Klub ascm,lacm,asw)

 

[Agent_47]

Grigorovich class (russian talwar version) actually has only 2x12.
Russian Navy Thread 2. - Page 30

Can you explain difference between Grigorovich class and Gorshkov class in terms of missions and sensors ?

 

[Penguin]

looks like it is 24 vls only ......which is low in no number (also will in talwer)

Talwars currently have 24 Shtil missile in their forward magazine, so it's an exact trade.

what is your opinion of Shtil-1 vs Barak 8?

Alltogether a different ballgame.

I thought that RBU-6000 only uses unguided bombs which is different then ASROC which uses torpedo
I have no knowledge of RBU-6000 using torpedo as projectile...it is ?

RBU doesn't use a torpedo as projectile. Rather, the RGB-60 rocket is a rocket propelled depth charge. The new 90R rockets however have an underwater gravitation homing projectile (i.e. homing as they 'fall'). The projectile's effective homing head search radius is 130 meters.

why Russia dont uses 91RE1 like Western navies?

Not sure I understand this question.

Can you explain difference between Grigorovich class and Gorshkov class in terms of missions and sensors ?

Same mission. 11356M for the Black Sea Fleet (lower threat area). 22350 for the Northern fleet (access to Atlantic, North Pole). Building Grigorovich class does 2 things a) supply proven ships to the Russian navy quick (given slower pace of progress on Gorshkov class) and b) keeps the yard that isn't working on Gorshkov busy (Yantar, Kalinigrad). 22350 is built at Severnaya Verf (Northern Wharf Shipyard), St. Petersburg. Sensors on the Gorshkov are a newer generation.

22350

Air search radar: Furke-4 5P-27 Detecting, tracking and targeting of air and surface targets, Poliment 5P-20K 4 faced active phased array search, tracking and guidance radar
Surface search radar: Monolit 34K1 surface search & AShM targeting radar
Fire control radar: Puma 5P-10
Sonar: Zarya M sonar, Vinyetka towed array sonar
Navigation: 3 × Pal-N radars
Other: 2 × target illuminators aft superstructure for Palash CIWS
Communications: Vigstar Centaurus-NM
Electro-Optical Systems: 2 × MTK-201M and 2 × 5P-520
Combat system: Sigma/Sigma 22350

11356M

Air search radar: Fregat M2EM
Surface search radar: 3Ts-25E Garpun-B, MR-212/201-1, Nucleus-2 6000A
Fire control radar: JSC 5P-10E Puma FCS, 3R14N-11356 FCS, MR-90 Orekh SAM FCS
EW Suite: TK-25E-5;
Countermeasures: 4 x KT-216

 

[ni8mare]

Not sure I understand this question.

I am asking why Russia don't uses 91RE1(ASROC counterpart) like Western navies?

 

[Penguin]

I am asking why Russia don't uses 91RE1(ASROC counterpart) like Western navies?

There aren't many ships yet with more than an 8 cell VLU for this missile Only few ships of the Russian navy use Club family missiles to begin with, and when they do it is the anti-ship variant. The Russian navy still uses the older RPK-2 Vyuga / 81R / SS-N-15 Starfish, which is launched from torpedo tubes.
RPK-2 Vyuga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As well as RPK-6 Vodopad / RPK-7 Veter aka SS-N-16 Stallion
RPK-6 Vodopad/RPK-7 Veter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia