Submarine would be strategic platform Bangladesh or any other navy. We have to consider threat perception, future viability and evolution path. Considering these simple facts Song class does not make sense at all. Also song class would have limited, if any, future relevance and upgrade possibilities. Bangladesh should consider something that will be meaningful for many years to come. Type 41 or even the type Pakistan is working on with China could be suitable option. But we can not also forget political factor that is often influenced from across the border.
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Submarine would be strategic platform Bangladesh or any other navy. We have to consider threat perception, future viability and evolution path. Considering these simple facts Song class does not make sense at all. Also song class would have limited, if any, future relevance and upgrade possibilities. Bangladesh should consider something that will be meaningful for many years to come. Type 41 or even the type Pakistan is working on with China could be suitable option. But we can not also forget political factor that is often influenced from across the border.
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yes, but as far as i know BD navy decided to build sub fleet in two stages.
Stage 1 : Old subs for training and experience in maintaining (till 2019)
Stage 2 : Introduction of Modern subs (after 2020)
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Please go for Song Class. 
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BD could squeeze China to get couple of Ming for free and pay friendship price for a Song class.. Not bad to start with.. They are talking about acquiring 3.
But whats up with 4.5 generation fighter??? Should we keep our sky wide open for the enemy?
But whats up with 4.5 generation fighter??? Should we keep our sky wide open for the enemy?
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Well, few days ago in a talk show (RTV)one ex-brigadier revealed that china asked for a submarine base of chinese navy in Bay of Bengal. Bt bangladesh refused.. I say why waste our miskeen money on subs when someone else want to do the job for us??
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Well, few days ago in a talk show (RTV)one ex-brigadier revealed that china asked for a submarine base of chinese navy in Bay of Bengal. Bt bangladesh refused.. I say why waste our miskeen money on subs when someone else want to do the job for us??
I dont think people build submarine base in foreign land. Never heard of that.
First of all, when you asking for friendship price, squeezing is not sign of friendship. Besides, I dont think Bangladesh is in any position or have intention to squeeze China.
Second, Ming class may be good for training platform but for real purpose Song class will be waste of money and falling for indian wish of incapable BD navy.
Bangladesh is an independent country and should use its own manpower and resources to keep away foreign agressions. Yet, I see here some people are waiting eagerly for a Chinese base on our shore. About submarine type, some people are trying to involve Pakistan when BD is purchasing Submarines directly from China. So, this kind of talk is less than childish.
Some people do not like even Song class, but like BN to buy Kilo class. However, China itself does not build this class for its own navy, it buys from Russia. So, in that case BN will have to ask Russia for Kilo purchases. SHW should ask Russia to increase its military loan by another $600 million to purchase three Kilo-class submarines.
One thing is BD will have to cut its coat according to the size of its clothe. Another point is, BN has no mission outside of the BoB. So, it should not pursue for an expensive class of submarine fleet that overburdens its budgets.
Some people do not like even Song class, but like BN to buy Kilo class. However, China itself does not build this class for its own navy, it buys from Russia. So, in that case BN will have to ask Russia for Kilo purchases. SHW should ask Russia to increase its military loan by another $600 million to purchase three Kilo-class submarines.
One thing is BD will have to cut its coat according to the size of its clothe. Another point is, BN has no mission outside of the BoB. So, it should not pursue for an expensive class of submarine fleet that overburdens its budgets.
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People leave Pakistan out of this - This is between China & Bangladesh ! We build & sell the Agosta 90Bs nothing else & this isn't a Honda City to a Toyota Corolla switch we're talking about whereby training in one equates with the other; if you want the Chinese Subs they'd be the ones who would train you, if you want the Germans then talk to them & so on & so forth for other options on the table.
Thank You !
Thank You !
If Bangladesh has opportunity to cut cost and gain valuable experience by placing order along with Paksitan then there no harm. Besides, that is just a suggestion nothing that an indian stooge regime would take.
Song class has reached dead end on evolution path with very little if any upgrade opportunity available. Considering future needs, money will be spent and submarine/armada our enemy has, song class will be waste of money and only will satify wish from across the border. China makes Type 41 Yuan class sub that is better than kilo class in many respect. But that will be against wishes from across the border and their well wishers.
Also, operating range is not only consideration. Endurance, weapon systems, noise level, propusion many of these factors play crucial role in sub consideration. Besides, when indians often talks about blockade, role of sub would not just be sitting duck in BoB but breacking that blockade.
Submarine is way much important platform for BN specially when neighbor occupied our island and encroaching our maritime territory. When Awami league regime is spending $1 billion, purchasing for UN work, money argument hardly hold any water.
Chinese will be developing new subs based on the Qing design (type 43). PAK will most likely be the first customer and with good relation in the future with ouster of BAL fagots we can inshallah have those. But a open tender is the best way for financial transparency. Type 214 can also be good option.
Those R pretty old bro. If we R going for ming for short term, then new subs make perfect financial & technical sense for long term goals. If what U say is true, then its really disheartening.
Those R pretty old bro. If we R going for ming for short term, then new subs make perfect financial & technical sense for long term goals. If what U say is true, then its really disheartening.
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Strategic?? Do you guys even know what strategic is?
Unless you guys are getting a SSBN with nuclear tipped ICBM/MRBM there is nothing strategic about these submarine. These second hand chinese noisy submarines will be nothing but a good target practice for harpoons on the P8-Is.
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