Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[VelocuR]

Twin-engine fighter: Pakistan in talks with Russia to buy Su-35 jets

September 20, 2015

Pakistan and Russia are in the process of negotiating what analysts believe can be potentially the largest defence deal between the two countries, IHS Jane’s reported.

“The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has discussed buying Su-35 ‘Flanker-E’ fighter jets from Russia but a final decision is yet to be announced,” theIHS quoted a senior government official as saying.

Read: Talks on delivery of fighter jets, attack helicopters underway: Russian deputy FM

The senior government official’s remarks come in the wake of Russian media reports that Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov had said talks were underway for an unspecified number of Su-35s and a recent agreement for provision of Mi-35M ‘Hind E’ attack helicopters to Pakistan.

“It is too early to say if a deal will conclude and the terms,” the official said highlighting Russia’s willingness to sell advanced military hardware to Pakistan despite Moscow’s longstanding ties with India.

“Pakistan’s interest in the Su-35 was driven by the PAF’s need for a twin-engine fighter that can fly for a longer range than the JF-17 and penetrate more deeply into the enemy’s territory,’ the official revealed.

Pakistan currently relies on a mixed fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16s, Dassault Mirage-5s, Chinese manufactured F-7s and the JF-17 Thunder, which is co-manufactured by Pakistan and China.

Last month, Russia agreed to sell state-of-the-art Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan in what is seen as a ‘paradigm shift’ in Moscow’s policy to increase defence cooperation between the two countries.

“An agreement was signed between Pakistan and Russian authorities in Rawalpindi for the purchase of 4 Mi-35 helicopters,” a senior military official had said, not disclosing any further details.

Read: Paradigm shift: Russia agrees to sell Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan

Moscow for long ignored Islamabad in a bid to please its long-term ally New Delhi. But as a result of India’s growing tilt towards the US, Russia has now started expanding its cooperation with Pakistan.

For its part, Islamabad is eager to improve its ties with Moscow to diversify its options in the event of any stalemate in ties with Washington.

This article originally appeared on IHS Jane’s.

Twin-engine fighter: Pakistan in talks with Russia to buy Su-35 jets - The Express Tribune

More great news.......

 

[mingle]

Su series is fantastic

 

[Super Falcon]

I still bellieve it is made for PAF

PAF SHOULD GO FOR SU 35 but tech which SU 37 HAS canards etc should be included

 

[VelocuR]

But From where the money will come ?? IMF or US AID again???

Please don't ask this stupid question.

We've already answer this same focking questions over 2,000 times, can you check previous threads to revise old arguments?

 

[RazorMC]

How many threads, how many discussions must we endure on the same topic?

 

[SHAMK9]

But From where the money will come ?? IMF or US AID again???

Not from your bank account so dont worry bharti

 

[Khanivore]

By the way another news I read from CASIC(中国航天科工) official Wechat account, new turbofan engine with thrust-weight ratio of 8-9(chinese standard, slight stricter than US standard) for JF-17（blk 3 maybe?) is about to finish all test flights, wish we can see new JF-17 with new engine soon.

Wow! Fascinating news about the new engine. It's amazing to see how fast the Chinese engineers are working. Truly astonishing and admirable progress.

 

[Blue Marlin]

@Horus @WebMaster @Oscar @waz @Jungibaaz @Jango
can you please create a sticky thread and merge all su-35 related threads in to it as the air force section is becoming saturated in the su-35
heres a good thread name
" SU-35 New's Updates & Discussions "

 

[VelocuR]

Sputnik News

Real Deal: Pakistan Confirms Interest in Russian Su-35 Fighters

September 20 , 2015

Pakistan is poised to upgrade its air force by purchasing what are arguably the best combat aircraft already in use - Russian Su-35 fighters, and here is why.

A Pakistani government official spoke to IHS Jane's, confirming that the sides had already discussed a possible purchase of the advanced aircraft, as the Pakistani Air Force requires a two-engine fighter "that can fly for a longer range than the JF-17 and penetrate more deeply into the enemy's territory".


Currently the country's air force operates a fleet of US F-16s, French Mirage-5s, Chinese F-7s and Sino-Pakistani JF-17s.

Earlier, Moscow and Islamabad clinched a deal on the delivery of Mi-35M transport and attack helicopters to Pakistan, and the contract could be expanded.

While the media are discussing the PAK FA, F-35 and J-20, the fifth-generation aircraft being tested in Russia, the US and China respectively, the fully operational Su-35 seems even more reliable for the moment. It has been touted as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology", rendering it superior to other fourth-generation fighters under development.


In fact, only the absence of stealth technology and an active electronically scanned array formally separates this plane, which is unbelievably maneuverable at low speeds, from the family of fifth-generation jets.


The Su-35, NATO reporting name Flanker-E, is a multirole fighter that is capable of engaging several air targets simultaneously.

Read more: Real Deal: Pakistan Confirms Interest in Russian Su-35 Fighters

 

[abdulbarijan]

Lets keep terms like "jealousy" or "burning" out of it..we are grown ups here not a bunch of kids or emotional wreaks to have such emotions about something that we do not have any control over.

If one digs deeper - Russia has offered other jets - for example - one can take this media outing.. Russia experts suggest to sell MiG-35 aircraft to Pakistan | PAKISTAN DEFENCE NEWS BLOG as an offer. We folks can only make observations, which I tend to do based on the natural progressions of various changes that have happened over the years.

-I did not use the term 'jealousy" .. not at all ... it was Russia's deputy Foreign minister who did so ...

"I do not think that the contacts under discussion will cause jealousy on the part of any of the two sides," Ryabkov told journalists.
Russia-Pakistan Military Cooperation Not Threatening Relations With India

-Secondly, for someone who goes in to such detail over a single word ... I believe you forgot to read the part where the Mig-35 "offer" wasn't really an offer but more of a suggestion for Russian administration, when India did not shortlist the Mig-35 for the MMRCA deal ... Hence the quote of Russia's strategy and technical analysis center assistant director at the time being along the lines of ...

"Russia should let the Indian Air force undertake the consequence for own decision. In the Moscow tradition to maintains the restraint to the Pakistani sell weapon, but refuses in India to purchase under the Mig - 35 new situations, should carefully examine this policy."

Russian deputy foreign minister when he talks of talks under way for delivery of SU35 - one can draw observations on the key word "delivery" which is a process that happens after various stages are completed in a deal. Again..when I said that a fighter deal goes through various stages before it comes down to the dealing parties talking about deliveries - the general global tendency is one assumes various processes having been completed, because that's how fighter tenders work everywhere else. Your take of it being something different in the case of Pakistan, as in out of nowhere is a valid point - though highly prone to doubt in this case.

If the discussion is about initial stage of talks then it can be understood. "delivery" talks which the russian spoke about takes it into a different level.

Based on the "delivery" term - as you say..my "little theory" and I clearly mention it as a theory is based on the on going talks of russians supplying the chinese su 35, talks of which have been on going and off going from the last several years. My little theory is based on those talks and russian claims of being very close to signing of the su 35 contract and delivery to the chinese ...which one has been reading fromthe last couple of years.

This is just my 4th or 5th post on this su35 saga all this while..I cannot be burdened with what other members have posted against other members.

- I said that this was a 'theory' in jest ... If I were to seriously consider it ... I think I should have gone further and call it a guess or wishful thinking or at best a very weak hypothesis... and let me tell you why ...

Your "theory" is based on the presumptions that;

1. "talks on the delivery of Russian multirole Mi-35M attack helicopters and the latest Su-35 fighter jets." -- are the Deputy FM's exact words ..
   
2. This is so out of the blue, chances are PAF pilots haven't even gotten in a cockpit of a Super Flanker ... which means that the whole process of requirement,trials, analysis price ... etc. has not taken place ... which is necessary for a delivery ..
   
3. The dealings of SU-35 with China ...
   
   hence ... this must mean ... SU-35 only being delivered to PLAAF but can be used to protect investments in Pakistan ...

and this so called 'theory' can be simply dismissed based on two factors ...

-Ilya Karmik specifically mentioning Pakistan as a "potential customer" ... Remember this is also Sputnik the same defensenews outlet that reported the Russian Deputy FM's story and this piece was published back in August of 2015.

Other potential buyers include Pakistan and Brazil, with Kramnik also referring to figures from manufacturer Polet, which makes parts for the Su-35, showing increased production of its onboard system in order to fulfil orders for a total of 60 aircraft from Vietnam, Venezuela and Indonesia.

Russian Su-35 Fighter Jet Sees Export Orders Soar

-The confirmation from the Pakistani side .. although not an exact quote but is reported something like this .. notice the choice of words ...

A Pakistani government official spoke to IHS Jane's, confirming that the sides had already discussed a possible purchase of the advanced aircraft

Read more: Real Deal: Pakistan Confirms Interest in Russian Su-35 Fighters

Bottom line ... Ilya Kramik is calling Pakistan a potential "buyer" ... Pakistani officials are talking about a "Purchase" -- yet your basing your idea on the choice of words that weren't even exact quotes ...

I think this is enough to prove how illogical this idea is ... but lets put an end to this idea once and for all ... by exploring other problems with your theory ...

- Why is it that PLAAF wants to operate ONLY SU-35 in Pakistan to protect its interest ... after all PLAAF has assets from its own industry like say J-11B, J-16/15 are enough to deter any sort of threat ...

- How do you presume that PAF never had access to the SU-35 ... the Mig-35 "suggestion" was in mid 2011 ... in 2012 there were rumors on Chinese forums and even on here that PAF was considering SU-35's ... and this was right after India screwed the Russians out of the MMRCA ... so who is to say Pakistan never had any access to the Super flanker ...

The deal goes through or not is another discussion, but like I said I should have gone further and call it a guess or wishful thinking because it simply has too much flaws and is based on coincidences ...

 

[somebozo]

Forget SU35...we should go for this super maneuverable stealth beauty piece..It fits well with PAF doctrine of using extreme maneuverability to advantage in defeating enemy defenses..

 

[Super Falcon]

Talks means bussines we dont talk .mother of all deals slogan become mother of all orphens

So plz all indian people have same prospective about pak which is tottaly wrong that we are poor nation our woman wear burkas etc

And ur prospective wont change reality but it benefits us

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Forget SU35...we should go for this super maneuverable stealth beauty piece..It fits well with PAF doctrine of using extreme maneuverability to advantage in defeating enemy defenses..

this berkut was for tech demo nothing more RAF never ordered it so plz dont piss off

 

[Khanivore]

Forget SU35...we should go for this super maneuverable stealth beauty piece..It fits well with PAF doctrine of using extreme maneuverability to advantage in defeating enemy defenses..

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this prototype was just a technology demonstrator.

 

[Dalit]

How many threads, how many discussions must we endure on the same topic?

Endure! Endure as much as you can LMAO there is so much more that you are going to have to endure. This is only beginning...

 

[SQ8]

Enjoy these recent maneuvers from the MAKS 2015 airshow.

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If this was being done in a many vs many fight(as it is usually), that is a great target for any wingman or other aircraft to blow out of the sky.

The Su-35 needs to switch over to the same FLCS setup as the F-22. TVC ONLY when needed.