Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Yousafzai_M]

Dozens of threads already on the SU-35 thing for PAF. Why don't we just hold off the discussions till we see SU-35 with Pakistani flag on them? just a thought.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Russia at least has won over France on this forum. No one wants to talk about Rafale any more. SU-35 is the new kid on the block which everyone is interested in now.

What do you want to talk about about Rafael India is getting 36 of em.... you can visit Indian Defence section to talk about Rafael ..... there are still plenty of threads there

 

[dadeechi]

Never said no to that but i was just putting forward a case that what if INDIA says no to Russia what Russia can do and who has the upper hand in INDO-RUSSIAN scenario because most of the guys here think that Russia totally depends on INDIA and they can dictate them what to do and what not to do If Russia can go against the Half on the World in Ukraine matter or in any other matter than i think INDIA might not be a problem...

Either way i was just here to debate about this even though i myself don't believe Su 35 comming to PAK any time soon.......

I was not contradicting your post but rather adding to yours.

 

[500]

till now fgfa is just a new design that's it
now look at f-35 most expensive 5th gen jet
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Journalism at its best.

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[jaiind]

Spares our Chinese friends have a lot ,cause they have these flankers almost a decade ago ?
So don't worry , put your dam.hands together r for su-35s in Pakistani flag camouflage ?lolzz


No we are not so desperate ,its you Indians getting out of your minds ?lolzz

man, so many threads are running on su 35 for pak. you will know who is desperate for what..

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

I am sure, uncle Sam have close look on this deal. We should not accept less than f16 block60 with AIM120D or f18s next time. No less than AIM120D.
Best of luck!!
Play smart !!

 

[PWFI]

lol..Pakistan seems to be in hurry to get trapped ...I got to know from sources its kind of strategic honey-trap in the form of Weapons of atmost national importance to Pakistan for which India has agreed to pay huge sum to Russia...enjoy the bird and dont cry when it will shit on your face ....rofl....

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[Viper0011.]

I appreciate the second part of your post.
However just for heck of it - You don't calm things when you threaten the other side with nukes - that is escalation.

You have to see why the threat was issued to begin with.....a president sitting and watching soccer or American football or playing cricket, doesn't just call his foe and issues a threat. There has to be some pre-existing condition for such..... that pre-existing condition needs to be removed through talks so everyone stays calm and peaceful.

 

[MilSpec]

How do they lose it?
Please explain.

It's not about loosing out on the current book orders but the slew of potential book orders, such as the FGFA follow ons and upgrades, P75i- for which they are pitching amur, Armata platform which will be pitched as a contender for the FICV platform, article 30 engine variant which will be pitched for eventually for AMCA, K77 Aesa, follow on A50, along with MRTA, the potential order is in the range of 75 Billion dollars over the next 12 years, why would Russia risk change in attitude or re-aligning it's market to tap some thing which would be in the range of 25 billion dollars in the next 12-15 years in pakistan.

From the leverage side of it, yes India does have a certain amount of leverage not as exagerrated as blanket statements as put here, but not directly on the government but on the bureaus like Raduga OKB, Mashinostroeyenia OKB, NPO Saturn, Irkut Corp, Ilyushin, RAC etc. With single-handedly keeping Projects like the Mig29M, R27 Avtomatika 9B-1032 PRGS27, K172, KH353M24 ship launched version, RGS 31 A2G 4th gen seeker alive. In other words, India more than a buyer has been a valuable partner for these organisations. So moving away from that just becuase India has sourced some euro aircrafts, which India has traditionally done (Mirage, Jaguar, Ouragon, Hawker Hunter, Gnat, vampire, AMX 30, Chieftien, vickers mk1, )even with Russian equipment forming the backbone is a misnomer....

 

[Viper0011.]

Exactly ...........buying from America france or russia is to veto any sell to pakistan.....

What we are getting from russia:

PAKFA + FGFA = 35BN
TANKS = 5 BN
Brahmos JV program
Mig29K
HELICOPTER=4BN
FRIGATE = 3BN
NUKE SUB=1BN
SU 30MKI (42 NOS)=4.2 BN
MISSILES = AAM, AGM,AShM ETC

this above are confirmed ...........and thats atleast 50 bn we are talking about

As i said there is aleast 60-70 bn is involved ,,,,,,,,,which can easily veto any sell to pakistan lets wait for Nov vist of modi to russia things will get clear

And.....after spending this whatever $ 50-60 billion (allegedly), the Russians, the French, the UK and the US are STILL selling to Pakistan!!! So you are going to veto this like you vetoed the F-16 block 52's sale? The Jordanian -16's, the Vipers AH-1Z, more -16's, Sniper pods, the MI heli's, etc, etc??

Psychology says, there are five stages of grief and trauma:

1: Nothing happened at all. Life is the same like yesterday.
2: Wait, may be something did. But not really, how could it be? (Denial)
3: Holly Shiiit!!! It did happen!!!!
4: I am SO HURT!!! Cry, cry..
5: I admit it happened. I am a normal person, I need to move on with life knowing and accepting the reality!

Folks from India are between stage 1 and 3 right now. 4th is about to hit when the contract is announced (if they haven't learned from the MI-35 contract)!! Good luck

 

[SQ8]

It's not about loosing out on the current book orders but the slew of potential book orders, such as the FGFA follow ons and upgrades, P75i- for which they are pitching amur, Armata platform which will be pitched as a contender for the FICV platform, article 30 engine variant which will be pitched for eventually for AMCA, K77 Aesa, follow on A50, along with MRTA, the potential order is in the range of 75 Billion dollars over the next 12 years, why would Russia risk change in attitude or re-aligning it's market to tap some thing which would be in the range of 25 billion dollars in the next 12-15 years in pakistan.

From the leverage side of it, yes India does have a certain amount of leverage not as exagerrated as blanket statements as put here, but not directly on the government but on the bureaus like Raduga OKB, Mashinostroeyenia OKB, NPO Saturn, Irkut Corp, Ilyushin, RAC etc. With single-handedly keeping Projects like the Mig29M, R27 Avtomatika 9B-1032 PRGS27, K172, KH353M24 ship launched version, RGS 31 A2G 4th gen seeker alive. In other words, India more than a buyer has been a valuable partner for these organisations. So moving away from that just becuase India has sourced some euro aircrafts, which India has traditionally done (Mirage, Jaguar, Ouragon, Hawker Hunter, Gnat, vampire, AMX 30, Chieftien, vickers mk1, )even with Russian equipment forming the backbone is a misnomer....

For the FGFA India is still stuck with Russia, it will need it. Unless you jump to another platform and take in the associated(and needless extra costs) so that is not needed. All those other projects as well arent just a Russian need; they are an Indian one as well. Even those leveraged ones on the development projects are linked to a requirement and not because its charity. So when there is some shift away from traditional sources, it is both unfair and unrealistic to expect that those sources will not move away as well.

At the end, China has bought a lot from Russia and reverse engineered it. Something that should put off the Russians much more than just diplomatc pressure. Yet, they are willing to sell.. wanting to sell.
So the leverage being there isnt just one way, its both ways. If Russia is offering something that India wants and needs, it will still complain, raise an issue.. but buy it regardless of whether Russia sells to Pakistan or not

 

[Viper0011.]

@Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @blain2 @Oscar sir ....why all time religion is bought with out any issue ?

Would you stand similar insults on koran, the prophet, or myths associated that this member or other member does on hinduism and vedas?

Wait, where did the poster say anything about Hinduism? I wrote a post on Yoga too like 2 hours ago. I think its great. I think its like Humus, its great for humans to have and I don't care who really "owns" it, whether religiously or culturally. So I think the poster above is referring to the calming effects of Yoga in terms of relieving the stress this SU-35 thing is causing the Indian community.

When you guys flame logical, factual threads, what do you think I do? I close my eyes, run some music with water fall or ocean music, deep breathe and stretch (aka, the Yoga). Its a great thing for stress relieving and to calm down. I recommend it to everyone . There is no religious aspect from my standpoint, its just beneficial to humans and to the human body. If it belongs to Hinduism, or Buddhism, then good for people who believe in it.

And I agree, there shouldn't be any insult to anyone's religion or stuff. BUT....you guys need to follow it too. Debate, not personal attack. Because if you insult someone personally, then they'll say whatever the heck they want to say, and you don't have a case anymore either.

 

[Blue Marlin]

well, this is a very heated thread. i shall say my part and leave it at that. Russia is pushing India to purchase the su-35, by creating the the atmosphere of Pakistan procuring the su-35, which in fact they genuinely want.

quiet a while ago, just after the 126 jet deal was cancelled, sukhoi proposed an more advanced mki variant based on the su-35, this deal was dropped in favour in searching for other western suppliers. quote me if im wrong here, but there were plans to have internal weapons bays. similar to that of the f15-se(as shown in the link).

would i see the su-35 in paf colours? No
does paf need the su-35? yes

 

[SirHatesALot]

One of the more reasons to have a robust domestic defense industry.
This should be used as an opportunity to scrap FGFA, i really don't like that aircraft

 

[ni8mare]

And.....after spending this whatever $ 50-60 billion (allegedly), the Russians, the French, the UK and the US are STILL selling to Pakistan!!! So you are going to veto this like you vetoed the F-16 block 52's sale? The Jordanian -16's, the Vipers AH-1Z, more -16's, Sniper pods, the MI heli's, etc, etc??

Allegedly ................i have said before also learn a little about indian defence

All the items listed below are actually happening:
TANKS = 5 BN
Brahmos JV program
Mig29K
HELICOPTER=4BN
SU 30MKI (42 NOS)=4.2 BN
MISSILES = AAM, AGM,AShM ETC
Helicopter upgrade=2 bn
Frigate and destroyer upgrade=?? (recently passed will be with VLS shtil-1 etc)

All the items listed below are actually in process:
PAKFA + FGFA = 35BN
NUKE SUB=1BN
Su-30 upgrade = 5 bn

All the items might happen in future:
SUBs deal = 10 bn
FRIGATE = 3BN

And Yeah..Vipers AH-1Z

are really scary then Mi-35 or LCH or Apache
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And if F-16 was that much scary then what is the purpose of SU-35 on first place .. why why why...
Suddenly russian junk has become superior overnight

@MilSpec what about some High attitude very long range SAM .......SM-6 or S-400