Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[gau8av]

Ok.ok.you dont have to tell us again and again and again and again.only time can tell if we will get them or not

it will, but if you do manage it, it'll be a huge strategic failure of our foreign policy.. clean bowled, killi uda di type situation so it is a big deal

see, if you guys manage the Eurofighter or F 15 or Gripen etc, that wont be as big a deal as as PAF getting Russian jets

changing world though, time will tell.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

it will, but if you do manage it, it'll be a huge strategic failure of our foreign policy.. clean bowled, killi uda di type situation so it is a big deal

Not really. Over the years Russians have been overcharging us. They also have blackmailed us with spare parts. They want greater profits. That's all.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

Cherry on the top will be to refuse to IBRIS radar and instead opt for the AESA being developed for J-20

Oh Come on HORUS Sir ,


"itna maza lena acha nahi" .... I do not know if we are getting those beauties or not but if we do many poster on this thread will die....

 

[gau8av]

Not really. Over the years Russians have been overcharging us. They also have blackmailed us with spare parts. They want greater profits. That's all.

the thing is, despite the spares and maintenance issues with Ruski equipment, we're still highly, or one might even say fully dependent on the Russians for our air force fighter requirements, and that's set to continue on with the FGFA for another 30 years or so or till however long it takes to get an indigenous manufacturing base going, which is the endgame. You can expect everyone to milk us till that happens.

 

[Kakaspai]

the thing is, despite the spares and maintenance issues with Ruski equipment, we're still highly, or one might even say fully dependent on the Russians for our air force fighter requirements, and that's set to continue on with the FGFA for another 30 years or so or till however long it takes to get an indigenous manufacturing base going, which is the endgame. You can expect everyone to milk us till that happens.

As much as Russia needs India, India needs Russia too

 

[Donatello]

Okay, so how about this
China can reverse engineer flankers for themselves, that is what we know. However, they cannot re-export it, since Russia is already mad at them for reverse engineering. If Pakistan wants a heavy, flanker class aircraft, it would have to come from Russia directly, otherwise we might upset the Russians if we buy J-15/j-16 from China. The last this we want is Russians stopping the supply and support for RD93 engines.

Usually when Pakistan buys big equipment from China, it is either paid in full or via Ex-Imp banks of China at really low interest rates. But since Gwader and CPEC is an important strategy for China, we need something heavy to safeguard it. Meaning, China might be willing to finance the Su35 purchase. That way, Russia gets the export orders, China gets to make sure that Pakistan is equipped to provide security and support in the Arabia Sea/Persian Gulf and Pakistan gets to have it's maritime boundaries secured at a nominal but justifiable cost.

Since this news was un-expected, PAF might shoot down any rumors or discussions ( i am sure they are already pissed at the news leak). Su35 will be the ultimate game changer. It will literally put India's Naval plan in Arabian Sea in a limbo....and think of this...Su35s operating out of Gwader will have Iran's Chahbhar under their wings...and Su35s operating out of Karachi will put Mumbai at un-ease. What more can you ask for?

There are has been no comments on SU 35 from official Pakistani sources. Only comments from Russians and discussions on forums.

Which makes it even more interesting.....

 

[gau8av]

As much as Russia needs India, India needs Russia too

yup, entangled by dependency, not good.. aap log bhi 'great satan' ke saath buri tareh fase hue ho

 

[Akasa]

no, the "battle proven" tag does add quite a bit of value

How does levelling a country with Cold-War-era air defenses add "value" to a combat platform designed and touted to defeat other systems in its class?

China has a long way to go before it can effectively compete with Russian or US/EU stuff..

If by "competing" you mean arms exports, then that is neither a goal nor a necessity for the companies that build Chinese fighter aircraft.

 

[ejaz007]

A Pakistan Pilot didn't even know that PAF operated twin Engine aircraft.... A5 single engine pe urate thy kya

Or Kya yeh Constitution me lika hai ya Quaid E Azam k 14 points me k Pakistan twin engine jet ni le skta???

Perhaps some sort of reporting mistake?

F-6 were twin engined and were operated for more than 3 decades by the PAF. The A-5, an F-6 derivative, was also twin engined and served for more than 2 decades.

How can Air Cmdr.® Kaiser Tufail make such a statement? One could have accepted him saying that the PAF never operated a heavy fighter or a twin-engined heavy fighter. But this is not what is presented in the article.

Puts a question mark on the veracity of the content as presented by Usman Ansari.

Perhaps some sort of reporting mistake?

 

[aliyusuf]

Perhaps some sort of reporting mistake?



Perhaps some sort of reporting mistake?

Well ... reporting mistake should not be about something that is being presented inside of a quote. Then its not a mistake. It is either a case of extremely slack journalism or an attempt to paraphrase snippets of the author's own views in the garb of a well known person's quote. I will leave that open to interpretation.

 

[airmarshal]

Will not take any step detrimental to India's security: Russia | Zee News
Last Updated: Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 23:54
New Delhi: Russia on Thursday said that it will never take any step detrimental to the security and safety of its special strategic partner India.

Russian Embassy here issued a statement in the backdrop of a report that said Russia and Pakistan were in talks on the delivery of Russian multirole Mi-35M attack helicopters and the latest Su-35 fighter jets.

"Time and again, the Russian leaders have stated at the highest level that Russia will never take any steps detrimental to the security and safety of our special and privileged strategic partner ? India, or the security structure in the South Asian region, or any other region for that matter," the statement said.

"This assurance is fully valid today as it was valid yesterday. This is the guideline of our President's foreign policy concept," it said.

"As regards the newspaper report from Nizhni Tagil, it is a sheer case of overstatement by the agency, on the one hand, and of overreaction by a section of the Indian media, - on the other," it added.

PTI

Phew!!! Indian ego can now wear cucumber on the eyes and go for a sun bath.

But then there is too much diplomatic jargon in the statement and no categorical denial.

Whatever makes India happy!

 

[majid mehmood]

Why not 2,3 or 4 sqds ?

@Stealth
PAF paint job on a Su-35 might lift spirits here

if it will be 1 sqd it would be dedicated to navy but 5 sqd it would be dedicated to both paf & pn
i donnt how many sqd will go in pn
but 1 sqd will contain 12 or 16 planes in air force

 

[Sulman Badshah]

12 or 16 planes in air force

it is 14-18

 

[Zaneesh852]

the thing is, despite the spares and maintenance issues with Ruski equipment, we're still highly, or one might even say fully dependent on the Russians for our air force fighter requirements, and that's set to continue on with the FGFA for another 30 years or so or till however long it takes to get an indigenous manufacturing base going, which is the endgame. You can expect everyone to milk us till that happens.

FGFA is likely to yield another tejas for IAF. IAF would always end up buying JSF if she is allowed to India.

 

[dadeechi]

Okay, so how about this
China can reverse engineer flankers for themselves, that is what we know. However, they cannot re-export it, since Russia is already mad at them for reverse engineering. If Pakistan wants a heavy, flanker class aircraft, it would have to come from Russia directly, otherwise we might upset the Russians if we buy J-15/j-16 from China. The last this we want is Russians stopping the supply and support for RD93 engines.

Usually when Pakistan buys big equipment from China, it is either paid in full or via Ex-Imp banks of China at really low interest rates. But since Gwader and CPEC is an important strategy for China, we need something heavy to safeguard it. Meaning, China might be willing to finance the Su35 purchase. That way, Russia gets the export orders, China gets to make sure that Pakistan is equipped to provide security and support in the Arabia Sea/Persian Gulf and Pakistan gets to have it's maritime boundaries secured at a nominal but justifiable cost.

Since this news was un-expected, PAF might shoot down any rumors or discussions ( i am sure they are already pissed at the news leak). Su35 will be the ultimate game changer. It will literally put India's Naval plan in Arabian Sea in a limbo....and think of this...Su35s operating out of Gwader will have Iran's Chahbhar under their wings...and Su35s operating out of Karachi will put Mumbai at un-ease. What more can you ask for?



Which makes it even more interesting.....

And that's exactly what I have indicated in my earlier post on the "India, Russia opt for velvet divorce" thread.

China is the architect of this deal and this is actually a master stroke by China for the following reasons.

1) China would provide finances , Russia to provide the Hardware, Pakistan to provide the men & location.

2) China may even retain full or partial ownership of the planes. Lease to buy model.

3) Russia has been pitching its SU-35 sale proposal to China for sometime now but china has not been interested due to it's own indigenous programs. This deal would satisfy the Russians.

4) China pitching-in would mean the numbers could cross 100+

5) The reason would be to protect CPEC in which Russia would also join in shortly

6) This deal would ensure that PAF & PN would feel totally secured and would get it completely out of the clutches and bondage of western hardware as it would be supported by two Major powers who have inherent gain in the prosperity of Pakistan

7) India is at the cross roads and needs to decide how it would react. Will it bury the bury the hatchet with China & Pakistan or will it join the western camp. China is trying to force a decision which India does not want to take at this point in time. India's decision is important for China before it acts on India's SCO membership application.