Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Spectre]

Or we could focus on our economy first and then decide to procure something worthy may be after 4-5 years down the road?

What economy? National Security comes first and foremost. Russians are not going to wait forever.

Pakistanis are hardy souls who can make do with less electricity, schools, health-care but can never sacrifice their security and national integrity. India under Modi is just itching to hurt Pakistan and Pakistan has to make sure they think 10 times before causing any mischief like cold start. SU-35 would give Pakistan a true non nuclear deterrent. For that if Pakistan has to live in tough conditions for 4/5 years then no biggie.

 

[Secret Service]

oh boy.. Su 35 sounds unbelievable. but if it happens, i think one squadron of su35 will enough for PAF due to its high cost and maintenance. no doubt it will be a big boost for air force...

 

[jaydee]

Last 5 years, I am listening this...till date what did you buy from Russia

Come out of cave...
JF 17 uses Russian engines.Recently signed deal on MI 35.

 

[cmpk1]

same thing happened with MI-35. started with "sources", then few officials had something to say, then deal was signed. These defence deals take a lot of time. I'm sure we're going to hear some more news regarding Su35 in coming months.

And India will be infuriated, if Russia indeed offers us SU35, but then they just can't shun away Russia, they depend on them. decades of Russian armaments can't just be taken off just because they didn't like Russian policy.

Russians have been put under pressure by the US/EU, yet India has been dealing with the latter & didn't really care about Russia. Russians are now going to show them who is the daddy, all this recent developments are in favour of Pakistan i.e. The recent cold relationship between Russia-India, CPEC, Pakistan as a front line state on WoT etc. Look at the bigger picture, things are changing fast! & we got to thank Gen Musharaf, he started these negotiations, took us a decade to break the ice between Pakistan & Russia.

 

[Donatello]

Another issue would be to integrate them with our AEWACs....and include a 'heavy' into the learning curriculum of PAF

 

[aliyusuf]

I honestly hope I am wrong, but keep in mind that the statement still came from one source, Sputnik. We'll have to wait a few days to see what comes from this news, but I will do a new piece accounting for this as well as exploring some of the advantages and challenges of the Flanker in PAF.

That is the first that came to my mind as well and I looked it up ...

Sputnik is an international multimedia news service launched in November 10 2014 by Rossiya Sevodnya ... a Russian Government news agency that replaced "RIA Novosti" and "Voice of Russia" on the international front in December 9 2013.

Doesn't seem to be a flaky source.

 

[Secret Service]

Last 5 years, I am listening this...till date what did you buy from Russia

engines...

 

[Syed Hussain]

I have stopped getting excited about such pieces of news. Because generally it goes like "Pakistan has shown interest in SU-35"...after 2 years, Pakistan is in talks with Russia for SU-35... after more 2 years, Pakistan has decided to go further with the deal...after 2 more years, tan tanan Pakistan has decided to buy 4 units of SU-35 and it could include 2 more units if 'satisfied...deliveries will begin in 4 years...!
And that's simply mind craping.

 

[cmpk1]

And when they have them, what will we have in our inventory to counter them apart from arguments? It will be a complete one side show.

They've got SU30, & in BIG numbers. anything happened?

takes years to get the delivery of new jets, & deal for 36 Rafael's still hasn't been signed.

 

[Basel]

Another issue would be to integrate them with our AEWACs....and include a 'heavy' into the learning curriculum of PAF

What many don't get is PAF was familiarizing with Flankers since long with PLAAF even deputed very experienced F-16 pilots there on Su-30s of PLAAF and there was a reason that J-11 were sent to Pakistan for exercise.

If purchased then PAF can ask for open architecture systems for integration of other weapons systems and with Chinese AWACS in its inventory.

 

[Hurter]

I rubbished this SU-35 nonsense a while back and deleted the previous ludicrous thread.

Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

 

[Metanoia]

@Spectre Good sarcasm lol

When the Indians announced the tender for their MMRCA the US pitched in some advance F-16 if my memory serves me right...which the Indians did not even consider. There was a reason for it and it will be the same reason why Pakistan will NOT opt for anything based on SU-27 platform regardless of them offered by the Russians.

 

[Spectre]

@Spectre Good sarcasm lol

When the Indians announced the tender for their MMRCA the US pitched in some advance F-16 if my memory serves me right...which the Indians did not even consider. There was a reason for it and it will be the same reason why Pakistan will NOT opt for anything based on SU-27 platform regardless of them offered by the Russians.

Finally someone got it. Lol, I even got a few likes.

But yeah you are right, for now deals would be on a smaller scale - testing the waters phase. SU-35 is too soon, but as India moves away from Russia you would see Russia moving towards Pakistan - just how the game is played.

Though you have to just love how many posters who were talking crap about Russian tech are treating the same as World's finest and vice versa

 

[cmpk1]

I have stopped getting excited about such pieces of news. Because generally it goes like "Pakistan has shown interest in SU-35"...after 2 years, Pakistan is in talks with Russia for SU-35... after more 2 years, Pakistan has decided to go further with the deal...after 2 more years, tan tanan Pakistan has decided to buy 4 units of SU-35 and it could include 2 more units if 'satisfied...deliveries will begin in 4 years...!
And that's simply mind craping.

took us years to sign the deal for 8 Submarines. you're not buying a candy here.

 

[aliyusuf]

Another issue would be to integrate them with our AEWACs....and include a 'heavy' into the learning curriculum of PAF

Sir, if what is written on the Sukhoi site is true (on which I have my serious doubts) ... then Irbis-E (the fire control radar on board the Su-35S (the variant under discussion) ... can detect a 3m2 (small fighter) target at 400km. That is greater range than any AEW/AWAC based radar that we have.