Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[GURU DUTT]

Sour grapes . Lolz actually its the other way around. Indian potential Rafale deal has prompted Pakistan to go for a fighter plane of similar caliber since PAF hasn't recruited any major plane brand other than F16 block 52 in the last couple of decades.

here lies the catch line when WTO started pakistan could have got whatever it wanted had they not played with USA to save its interests in afghanistan but it did the opposite of what was required india took advantage from that and USA pinalised pakistan in the way it does best

now for air assets well MRCA deal was destinned to fail as it was nothing more than a kickbacks making scheme by the corrupt UPA

but when Namo took over as PM all changed but frenchies were not cooprating and wanted there investments back which they did with UPA at the expense of indian tax payers money

but when they saw they "frenchies" saw that they will loose and USA will gain from it they changed there mind now everything is on track as india wanted it to be

same goes for many russian deals even this current rumour of su-35 with pakistan was part of russian tactiks to arm twist india to get the best deals

how sucsesful were russians or indians will onli come owt after Namo,s december tour to russia till then happy dreaming and trolling

 

[dadeechi]

US has been aiding pak since decades with its tech and $$. Russia could not provide any stuff in the form of aid like america, then how would you mange the $$ to get decent fleet??.

The deal would be financed by China.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Bhai log indians, if we get even one flanker then i will ask PAF to bomb new delhi with a warhead of 10,000KG burnol seriously.

LOL I think PAF is showing interest they are thinking about +40

 

[Hurter]

With SU-35, our defensive doctrine might be changed as well.

 

[dadeechi]

but we can stop new business with Russia....like PAK FA etc....which is huge deal compare to your tiny deal...

And what would be the alternative to PAK-FA?

 

[Kurlang]

can even pack a ucav burraq full of runway destroying munitions and crash low flying radar hidden kamakazi style suicidal drones into india, provided they cant interfier and hack the transmission controls opps! okay may be its a flop idea.

bhai, plz change font

 

[I M Sikander]

Russians have started thinking in french manner.

Business is business and a cup of tea is a cup of tea. Russians have always been either friend or foe. Now they are doing business like French
French has been weapon Darling both for india and Pakistan. India and Pakistan are using french subs , weapons and fighter jets and neither india nor pakistan complaint france.

Russia should also follow this french model.

To hell with ideological friends and foes, at the end of the day it is the "Money" what matters.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Russians have started thinking in french manner.

Business is business and a cup of tea is a cup of tea. Russians have always been either friend or foe. Now they are doing business like French
French has been weapon Darling both for india and Pakistan. India and Pakistan are using french subs , weapons and fighter jets and neither india nor pakistan complaint france.

Russia should also follow this french model.

To hell with ideological friends and foes, at the end of the day it is the "Money" what matters.

I think Russia will follow business laws

 

[I M Sikander]

I think Russia will follow business laws

In business the only law that matters is money. All business models follow this.

 

[dadeechi]

By the time Pakistan gets Su-35 India will get PAK-FA. Pakistan is behind the curve.

From the point of Indians saying "Russia would never sell the SU-35s to Pakistan" we have arrived to the point where Indians say "Russia PAK-FA to India would be better than Russian SU-35 to Pakistan".....

What a climb down...

 

[AtiF Malang]

And what would be the alternative to PAK-FA?

F-35 Lightening ii.
US would love to roast PakFA by Pakistani F35 . Also F35 will give US the power to pressurize pakistan

 

[nadeemkhan110]

Su-35 vs F-16 Specifications

Su-35 Specifications
Fuel capacity: 11,500 kg (25,400 lb) internally

• Maximum speed: At altitude: Mach 2.25 (2,390 km/h, 1,490 mph)

At sea level: Mach 1.15 (1,400 km/h, 870 mph)

• Range: At altitude: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi)

At sea level: 1,580 km (850 nmi)

• Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with 2 external fuel tanks

• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)

• Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,000 ft/min)

• Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (500.8 kg/m² with full internal fuel) (84.9 lb/ft² 50% fuel)

• Thrust/weight: 1.13 at 50% fuel (0.92 with full internal fuel)

• Maximum g-load: +9 g

Armament

• Guns: 1× 30 mm GSh-301 internal cannon with 150 rounds
• Hardpoints: 12 hardpoints, consisting of 2 wingtip rails, and 10 wing and fuselage stations with a capacity of 8,000 kg (17,630 lb) of ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Rockets:
    • S-25L laser-guided rocket
    • S-25 unguided rocket
    • B-8 unguided S-8 rocket pods
    • B-13 unguided S-13 rocket pods
  • Missiles:
    • Vympel R-27R/ER/T/ET
    • Vympel R-77 – the proposed R-77M, R-77T
    • Vympel R-73E/M, and R-74M
    • Vympel R-37M[153]
    • Kh-29T/L
    • Kh-31P/A
    • Kh-59ME
  • Bombs:
    • FAB-250 250-kilogram (550 lb) unguided bombs
    • FAB-500 500-kilogram (1,100 lb) unguided bombs
    • KAB-500L laser-guided bomb
    • KAB-1500 laser-guided bomb
  • Other:
    • buddy refueling pod

Avionics

• Irbis-E passive phased array radar
• OLS-35 infra-red search and track system
• L265 Khibiny-M electronic warfare pod

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F16 Block 50 Specifications

• Maximum speed: At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[64]

At altitude: Mach 2[2] (1,320 mph, 2,120 km/h) clean configuration

• Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

• Ferry range: 2,280 nmi (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks

• Service ceiling: 50,000+ ft[2] (15,240+ m)

• Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)

• Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)

• Thrust/weight: 1.095

• Maximum g-load: +9.0 g

Armament

• Guns: 1 × 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling cannon, 511 rounds
• Hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip Air-to-air missile launch rails, 6 × under-wing, and 3 × under-fuselage pylon (2 of 3 for sensors) stations with a capacity of Up to 17,000 lb (7,700 kg) of stores
• Rockets:
  • 4 × LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19/7 × Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively)
  • 4 × LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19 × CRV7 70 mm rockets)
  • 4 × LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4 × Zuni 127 mm rockets)
• Missiles:
  • Air-to-air missiles:
    • 2 × AIM-7 Sparrow
    • 6 × AIM-9 Sidewinder
    • 6 × AIM-120 AMRAAM
    • 6 × IRIS-T
    • 6 × Python-4
  • Air-to-ground missiles:
    • 6 × AGM-65 Maverick
    • 4 × AGM-88 HARM
    • AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)
  • Anti-ship missiles:
    • 2 × AGM-84 Harpoon
    • 4 × AGM-119 Penguin
• Bombs:
  • 8 × CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition
  • 8 × CBU-89 Gator mine
  • 8 × CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon
  • 4 × Mark 84 general-purpose bombs
  • 8 × Mark 83 GP bombs
  • 12 × Mark 82 GP bombs
  • 8 × GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB)
  • 4 × GBU-10 Paveway II
  • 6 × GBU-12 Paveway II
  • 4 × GBU-24 Paveway III
  • 4 × GBU-27 Paveway III
  • 4 × Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) series
  • 4 × AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW)
  • Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
  • B61 nuclear bomb
  • B83 nuclear bomb

• Others:
  • SUU-42A/A Flares/Infrared decoys dispenser pod and chaff pod or
  • AN/ALQ-131 & AN/ALQ-184 ECM pods or
  • LANTIRN, Lockheed Martin Sniper XR & LITENING targeting pods or
  • Up to 3 × 300/330/370/600 US gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time or
  • UTC Aerospace DB-110 long range EO/IR sensor pod on centerline

Avionics

• AN/APG-68 radar
• MIL-STD-1553 bus

Sources: Sukhoi Su-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Secret Service]

Su-35 vs F-16 Specifications

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Su-35 Specifications
Fuel capacity: 11,500 kg (25,400 lb) internally

• Maximum speed: At altitude: Mach 2.25 (2,390 km/h, 1,490 mph)

At sea level: Mach 1.15 (1,400 km/h, 870 mph)

• Range: At altitude: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi)

At sea level: 1,580 km (850 nmi)

• Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with 2 external fuel tanks

• Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)

• Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,000 ft/min)

• Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (500.8 kg/m² with full internal fuel) (84.9 lb/ft² 50% fuel)

• Thrust/weight: 1.13 at 50% fuel (0.92 with full internal fuel)

• Maximum g-load: +9 g

Armament

• Guns: 1× 30 mm GSh-301 internal cannon with 150 rounds
• Hardpoints: 12 hardpoints, consisting of 2 wingtip rails, and 10 wing and fuselage stations with a capacity of 8,000 kg (17,630 lb) of ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Rockets:
    • S-25L laser-guided rocket
    • S-25 unguided rocket
    • B-8 unguided S-8 rocket pods
    • B-13 unguided S-13 rocket pods
  • Missiles:
    • Vympel R-27R/ER/T/ET
    • Vympel R-77 – the proposed R-77M, R-77T
    • Vympel R-73E/M, and R-74M
    • Vympel R-37M[153]
    • Kh-29T/L
    • Kh-31P/A
    • Kh-59ME
  • Bombs:
    • FAB-250 250-kilogram (550 lb) unguided bombs
    • FAB-500 500-kilogram (1,100 lb) unguided bombs
    • KAB-500L laser-guided bomb
    • KAB-1500 laser-guided bomb
  • Other:
    • buddy refueling pod

Avionics

• Irbis-E passive phased array radar
• OLS-35 infra-red search and track system
• L265 Khibiny-M electronic warfare pod

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View attachment 258467
F16 Block 50 Specifications

• Maximum speed: At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[64]

At altitude: Mach 2[2] (1,320 mph, 2,120 km/h) clean configuration

• Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

• Ferry range: 2,280 nmi (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks

• Service ceiling: 50,000+ ft[2] (15,240+ m)

• Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)

• Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)

• Thrust/weight: 1.095

• Maximum g-load: +9.0 g

Armament

• Guns: 1 × 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling cannon, 511 rounds
• Hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip Air-to-air missile launch rails, 6 × under-wing, and 3 × under-fuselage pylon (2 of 3 for sensors) stations with a capacity of Up to 17,000 lb (7,700 kg) of stores
• Rockets:
  • 4 × LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19/7 × Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively)
  • 4 × LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19 × CRV7 70 mm rockets)
  • 4 × LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4 × Zuni 127 mm rockets)
• Missiles:
  • Air-to-air missiles:
    • 2 × AIM-7 Sparrow
    • 6 × AIM-9 Sidewinder
    • 6 × AIM-120 AMRAAM
    • 6 × IRIS-T
    • 6 × Python-4
  • Air-to-ground missiles:
    • 6 × AGM-65 Maverick
    • 4 × AGM-88 HARM
    • AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)
  • Anti-ship missiles:
    • 2 × AGM-84 Harpoon
    • 4 × AGM-119 Penguin
• Bombs:
  • 8 × CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition
  • 8 × CBU-89 Gator mine
  • 8 × CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon
  • 4 × Mark 84 general-purpose bombs
  • 8 × Mark 83 GP bombs
  • 12 × Mark 82 GP bombs
  • 8 × GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB)
  • 4 × GBU-10 Paveway II
  • 6 × GBU-12 Paveway II
  • 4 × GBU-24 Paveway III
  • 4 × GBU-27 Paveway III
  • 4 × Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) series
  • 4 × AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW)
  • Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
  • B61 nuclear bomb
  • B83 nuclear bomb

• Others:
  • SUU-42A/A Flares/Infrared decoys dispenser pod and chaff pod or
  • AN/ALQ-131 & AN/ALQ-184 ECM pods or
  • LANTIRN, Lockheed Martin Sniper XR & LITENING targeting pods or
  • Up to 3 × 300/330/370/600 US gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for ferry flight/extended range/loitering time or
  • UTC Aerospace DB-110 long range EO/IR sensor pod on centerline

Avionics

• AN/APG-68 radar
• MIL-STD-1553 bus

Sources: Sukhoi Su-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i dont think its a right time to discuss the specifications of su 35 and f 16 .. we are over reacting, i think. it is indeed a positive development but we have to wait.

 

[khail007]

he he he he pakistani fantasy of indians bieng jealous on reports of Su-35 for pkaistan is like like lewis hamilton getting jelous of @qamar1990 as qamar wants to buy a merc

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And GURU jee acts like lewis and already owns a merc and try to influence manufacturer not to sell to qamar....ha ha ha

GURU jee u r from the nation which is born jealous of Pakistan's creation and that is a historical fact.

 

[GURU DUTT]

From the point of Indians saying "Russia would never sell the SU-35s to Pakistan" we have arrived to the point where Indians say "Russia PAK-FA to India would be better than Russian SU-35 to Pakistan".....

What a climb down...

as i said before dont count your chickens till they hatch kya samjhe

point is just because india is buying western wepons pakistanies are dreaming russia will jeopardise its equations with india.... do you realli think russia will do that

as for pakistan its total militarry and socio economik infra is totalli dependent on USA support will USA keep quite when it sees its investnments getting neutralised by russia & china getting it for which it aided pakistan for more than half a centuarry specialli when bulk of all the assets of pakistani elite are in western nations

as they say two brids in hand are better than four in the bush .... if you know what i mean