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Pakistani army has deployed to Kalash valley for first time after audacious Taliban raid just to south of mountain area

For a decade the Kalash, a mountain tribe nestled in a stunning valley deep in the Hindu Kush, managed to avoid the Taliban scourge ravaging the rest of north-western Pakistan.

Visitors streamed into the valley to experience a unique non-Muslim culture in which the women eschew veils, the men make wine, and everyone worships a complex array of gods. Pictures of Kalash women adorned in an explosion of colourful beads became an icon of Pakistan's (admittedly struggling) tourist industry, and a hint at the country's tolerant vision of itself.

But the advent of some unwelcome visitors are putting paid to all that. Over the past month Pakistan's army has deployed to the Kalash valley for the first time.

Soldiers prowl the valleys at night, firing deafening volleys of gunfire that echo between the valley walls. A military camp and new police station have sprung up. Vehicles with spies from the military's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence, jolt down the rutted roads. All are protecting, they say, against the Taliban.

In late August Pakistani Taliban fighters based in Afghanistan mounted a ruthless night-time ambush on border soldiers and police in Arandu, just south of Kalash. "They crossed the river on inflatable tubes under darkness because the bridges were guarded," said local farmer Sher Zameen, who came on the scene a few hours later. "Then they opened fire on the soldiers as they slept in their tents." Some 35 soldiers and police were killed.

The ruthless assault shattered a decade of relative calm in Chitral district. Located in the topmost corner of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Chitral had managed to dodge the trouble that racked the rest of the northwestern province – until now. It spelled disaster for the Kalash, thought to number just 3,500 people, whose idyllic mountain homeland borders Taliban-controlled parts of Afghanistan, and is feared to be next in line for an attack.

Tourism, a major source of income, has collapsed, with local police insisting that the trickle of foreigners who dare visit be accompanied by armed guards. And the otherwise peaceful Kalash are unnerved.

"I don't know why the army needs to deploy here," said Abdul Khaliq, a tribal elder who lives close to a new makeshift army base in the heart of the valley. "It's making people scared and tense. They should be up on the border, not down in the village."

Until now, the Kalash's greatest worry was proselytism. Muslim communities in nearby valleys have for years urged them urged the Kalash to abandon their religion and culture, which are quite distant from Islam. Many have succumbed, sometimes for professional advancement or to have an easier time at school or in the army. Among those left, there is proud defiance.

"People tell us we should become Muslim. We tell them to become Kalash," said Khwanza Bibi, a 28-year-old health worker, cracking a fistful of freshly harvested walnuts.

Their cultural defences were also strengthened by an unusual connection with Greece. Some scholars, pointing to the Kalash's fair-skinned features, believe they are the descendents of Alexander the Great and his invading armies.

Others dispute the theory, but nonetheless a steady stream of Greek volunteers, armed with Greek government money, mobilised to protect the valley and its rich culture.

A towering wooden museum and school – by far the largest in the main valley, Bumburet – and smart communal centre where Kalash women live during menstruation and childbirth, are the product of this friendship.

But even the Greek connection has been stymied by the Taliban.

Two years ago militants kidnapped Athanasios Lerounis, a Greek volunteer, and spirited him across the border into Afghanistan. Lerounis was freed several months later, after payment of a handsome ransom and the release of several Taliban prisoners from a Pakistani jail, according to a senior Pakistani official.

Today policemen are billeted at the Greek museum, smoking and eating in a room near the bustling primary school in the same building. The teachers are angry.

"It's not good," said one, speaking on condition of anonymity. "If the Taliban attack the police, then our pupils could get caught in the crossfire."

Then again, the Kalash have long experience dealing with odd visitors. In 2002 a Spanish zoologist who had taken a house in the valley, proclaiming himself to be a Kalash, was murdered in mysterious circumstances. Police suspected the man, who is buried in a local graveyard, of being a spy. The case remains unresolved.

Last year Gary Faulkner, a construction worker from Colorado, booked into a local hotel, armed with a sword and a pistol. In the dead of night the middle-aged American started trekking into the mountains, headed for the Afghan border, in search of Osama bin Laden, but was later arrested and sent back to the US.

"Gary was a very friendly guy. He said he had earlier worked as a killer for the government. Now he was gong to get the big one – Osama," recalled one local hotelier with a chuckle.

The recent woes have been triggered by events in Afghanistan. Since 2009 US troops have pulled out of Nuristan, the mountainous province across the border, leaving the area largely in insurgent hands.

Local militant numbers were boosted by an influx of Pakistani Taliban from the valley, where the army conducting a sweeping operation in 2009 that drove them out.

Then this year the Taliban started to strike back, using rear bases in Nuristan and Kunar to carry out brutal cross-border raids, such as the one in Arandu. Pakistan's military responded with crudely-aimed cross-border artillery barrages that have killed dozens of civilians in Afghanistan, further straining relations between the two countries.

The complex war politics mean little to the Kalash, who have traditionally felt little connection with the Pakistani state. "It treated us like animals, and this valley like a zoo," said Khaliq, the tribal elder. Now, with winter closing in, they hope that nature will protect them.

Over the coming months snow up to 15 feet deep will carpet the mountain passes leading from the three Kalash valleys into Afghanistan. For many Kalash, it can't come soon enough.

"We'd never even heard of the Taliban before this past couple of years," said Purstam Gul, a 47-year-old woman cradling a child in her arms.

Then she turned, and gestured towards a white glimmer on a distant peak. "The quicker it snows, the better for all of us."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/17/taliban-kalash-pakistan-afghanistan?INTCMP=SRCH
 
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from where do they cook up.such exotic conspiracy theories?
 
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Really? Damn - I always wanted to visit the Kalash people. They play a very important role in my book. What a shame - I hope their way of life and culture is preserved.
 
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Really? Damn - I always wanted to visit the Kalash people. They play a very important role in my book. What a shame - I hope their way of life and culture is preserved.

Long story short, Greeks invaded, sikander retreated, the left over occupiers got massacred, the people drove them to the hills and that’s the result we have today.:rolleyes:

from where do they cook up.such exotic conspiracy theories?

You Pakistanis are shameful creatures, you blame all others for faults yet never yourself.

The Pakistani state has failed them just like it has failed the rest of pak…

You can guess how many of them are left.......

They are an cultural icon of pak and you along with the rest of your gang want to terminate them off from history .

Pak army or soldiers should not be sent there because it disturbs the peace

Leave the Kalash Alone!!!!!!!:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Peace
 
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You Pakistanis are shameful creatures, you blame all others for faults yet never yourself.

The Pakistani state has failed them just like it has failed the rest of pak…

You can guess how many of them are left.......

They are an cultural icon of pak and you along with the rest of your gang want to terminate them off from history .

Pak army or soldiers should not be sent there because it disturbs the peace

Leave the Kalash Alone!!!!!!!:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Peace

Are u a damn martian from mars? chill kid dont get all hyper.....The army is there to protect the people..... just see what happened to the kalash of afghanistan under the taliban.... all of Nuristan is now muslim...
 
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Long story short, Greeks invaded, sikander retreated, the left over occupiers got massacred, the people drove them to the hills and that’s the result we have today.:rolleyes:



You Pakistanis are shameful creatures, you blame all others for faults yet never yourself.

The Pakistani state has failed them just like it has failed the rest of pak…

You can guess how many of them are left.......

They are an cultural icon of pak and you along with the rest of your gang want to terminate them off from history .

Pak army or soldiers should not be sent there because it disturbs the peace

Leave the Kalash Alone!!!!!!!:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Peace

Well, even though the state (the authorities) hasn't fulfilled its responsibilities, each & every Pakistani is responsible for all the troubles in the country. The Pakistani people were the ones that brought the current regime into power, who brought the judiciary into power (look at their terrorist acquittal records). The Pakistani people have 'failed' themselves, if you want to talk ahout 'failing' (I don't think we have failed, but have some grave problems, not unsolvable by any stretch of the imagination).
 
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Long story short, Greeks invaded, sikander retreated, the left over occupiers got massacred, the people drove them to the hills and that’s the result we have today.:rolleyes:



You Pakistanis are shameful creatures, you blame all others for faults yet never yourself.

The Pakistani state has failed them just like it has failed the rest of pak…

You can guess how many of them are left.......

They are an cultural icon of pak and you along with the rest of your gang want to terminate them off from history .

Pak army or soldiers should not be sent there because it disturbs the peace

Leave the Kalash Alone!!!!!!!:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Peace

It is the duty of every Pakistani to preserve the cultural heritage of our land and of our people, whether they be Kalash or any other group, and most importantly as Muslims we must not oppress the non-Muslim minorities of our country, we cannot and should not force Islam down their throats, and instead we should be good example of a Muslim.
 
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Are u a damn martian from mars? chill kid dont get all hyper.....The army is there to protect the people..... just see what happened to the kalash of afghanistan under the taliban.... all of Nuristan is now muslim...

No I am from the same province who you call home and where you are living right now..

Why should the army be there???? What have the kalash done???

Do they engage in terrorism or suicide bombings??? Or killing other Taliban????

NO!!!!! THEN WE SHOULD LEAVE THEM IN PEACE. They are a peaceful people!!

Bringing the army there will create further tension,

What if a Taliban bomb explodes near pak army station and kalash also die in that???

What then????? Would the kalash take revenge ???? would they be forced to move away from there???

Think before writing you useless creature

Since you are living in pak , you should go out and experience yourself the problems they are facing.

Besides your hateful messages against me are well known and taken note of.

You are balouch does not mean that you can hide behind patriotism and defend the very institutions that created problems for the kalash.

Peace
 
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Even though the kalash have pagan beliefs which contradict with Islamic ways.

The kalash are Pakistanis and should be treated as such instead of baseless foreigners/kafirs.

From my personal point of view I find the kalash as very curious and unique creatures.

Just look at their eyes, what a strange phenomenon that is …….

Their culture should be preserved and not interfered with in anyway.

This will further show that Pakistan has tolerance and appreciates linguistic cultural aspects of the people in the country.

It’s just frustrating that Pakistanis remain so ignorant and would even defend the elimination of kalash.

Kafirs of Afghanistan were converted not by Taliban but by the state policy of the then afghan government.

Pakistan’s state policy should be simple leave them in peace and take action against forceful conversions of the kalash that itself go against the teachings of Islamic values.

Peace
 
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Even though the kalash have pagan beliefs which contradict with Islamic ways.

The kalash are Pakistanis and should be treated as such instead of baseless foreigners/kafirs.

From my personal point of view I find the kalash as very curious and unique creatures.

Just look at their eyes, what a strange phenomenon that is …….

Their culture should be preserved and not interfered with in anyway.

This will further show that Pakistan has tolerance and appreciates linguistic cultural aspects of the people in the country.

It’s just frustrating that Pakistanis remain so ignorant and would even defend the elimination of kalash.

Kafirs of Afghanistan were converted not by Taliban but by the state policy of the then afghan government.

Pakistan’s state policy should be simple leave them in peace and take action against forceful conversions of the kalash that itself go against the teachings of Islamic values.

Peace

I'm sure the Army will only get involved if their survival is on the line at the hands of the Taliban. The Pakistan Army will not impose on the Kalash & their culture.
 
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I'm sure the Army will only get involved if their survival is on the line at the hands of the Taliban.

I don’t know Bahi but Pakistanis are dangerous creatures can’t trust them always

The state or even the army never properly inform its citizenry…

When there is no need for military consignment they still send the army or police there.

E.G. Lal masjid (could have solved it by negotiations instead of bloodshed)

This show of force that “look we sent the army and people will be fine” doesn’t work by the book

I just hope that their presence doesn’t create further problems and peace prevails there.

That’s all

Peace
 
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Dadu,

The Army is already stretched thin and it would make no sense for them to go into areas where there isn't a Taliban threat. Also in every northern area the Army goes into, it brings development, health services and education with it.

The problem for the government is that idiots from across the border (TTP nutcases et-al) may strike these people to embarrass the government (all they have to do is to launch attacks and not take responsibility). So in this case, deploying the Army as a preemptive measure is a good thing.

These people should be protected and be allowed to live in peace with their own beliefs. Yet if the GoP does not put troops out there and the TTP attack, the loss of life and the associated negative PR would be very damaging for Pakistan.
 
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Dadu,

The Army is already stretched thin and it would make no sense for them to go into areas where there isn't a Taliban threat. Also in every northern area the Army goes into, it brings development, health services and education with it.

The problem for the government is that idiots from across the border (TTP nutcases et-al) may strike these people to embarrass the government (all they have to do is to launch attacks and not take responsibility). So in this case, deploying the Army as a preemptive measure is a good thing.

These people should be protected and be allowed to live in peace with their own beliefs. Yet if the GoP does not put troops out there and the TTP attack, the loss of life and the associated negative PR would be very damaging for Pakistan.

That’s also where the failure of the state comes in to play

I mean a bus (TTP Leader) driver turned terrorist ;)

If you read the report carefully it says the kalash have been largely unaffected from this war on terror.

This is because they haven’t taken anybody’s side even if they oppose Taliban.

So putting the army there could provoke the Taliban to attack army in weak spots and they may assume that the kalash are helping the government so thus they are also legitimate target etc.

You know how fanatical these Taliban are that even if no tribe is helping the government, just by the presence of the military nearby is enough for the Taliban fanatics to assume all ppl support govt policy .

At the moment its mainly frontier corps that are there in kalash valley, but whole army could be sent in if kalash valley becomes a battleground.

The army /FC should guard the outskirts of the kalash valley not inside it.

Army brings in development, education??? lol if that was the case then army should have been in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan building all new colleges and whatnot after floods.

The governments authority failed in tribial areas that’s why army was brought in.

We have been neglected by the government and army as well.

Their useless coups serve as remainder to that.

Anyways still I hope it doesn’t aggravate further tensions in the area.

Peace
 
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That’s also where the failure of the state comes in to play

I mean a bus (TTP Leader) driver turned terrorist ;)

If you read the report carefully it says the kalash have been largely unaffected from this war on terror.

This is because they haven’t taken anybody’s side even if they oppose Taliban.

So putting the army there could provoke the Taliban to attack army in weak spots and they may assume that the kalash are helping the government so thus they are also legitimate target etc.

You know how fanatical these Taliban are that even if no tribe is helping the government, just by the presence of the military nearby is enough for the Taliban fanatics to assume all ppl support govt policy .

At the moment its mainly frontier corps that are there in kalash valley, but whole army could be sent in if kalash valley becomes a battleground.

The army /FC should guard the outskirts of the kalash valley not inside it.

Army brings in development, education??? lol if that was the case then army should have been in Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan building all new colleges and whatnot after floods.

The governments authority failed in tribial areas that’s why army was brought in.

We have been neglected by the government and army as well.

Their useless coups serve as remainder to that.

Anyways still I hope it doesn’t aggravate further tensions in the area.

Peace

You're mistaken on a few counts. The TTP has solidified its grip in the safe havens of Kunar & Nuristan in Afghanistan. Nuristan has no NATO/US troops deployed. Kunar has a couple thousand. Nuristan, which is also known as "the land of light", (also referred to as 'Kafiristan' in their local culture, similar with the Kalasha people), is being seriously affected by Kunar's extremist culture with the influx of terrorists. Now, they are making cross border attacks at will, & trying to infiltrate into Pakistan from all directions. They've been making attacks in Mohmand, Bajaur, Malakand, Lower Dir, Upper Dir etc. They even made an attack on the Chitral Scouts some time back, not far from the Kalash Valley, if you are familiar with the region.
 
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