Taliban spokesman puts an Iranian news anchor in his place

[A1Kaid]

Yet a heavily sanctioned and isolated Iran is FAR more advanced than Pakistan. Go figure.

Not even talking about infrastructure, education of women, well being of the people etc.



He did not even mention Iran, he just said that in any other nation in the world same thing would unfold like in Afghanistan. Blame the koskesh dakheli khabarnegar for misleading tweet.

Let's see which country is a ''third world country'' (term invented by the West to degrade non-Western nations)


Literacy rate


IRAN 96% (2020 stats)
PAKISTAN 59.10%

Literacy Rate by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

The rate of literacy among Iranians of ages 10 to 49 has reached 96% in the current Iranian year (ending March 19, 2020), indicating a 1.3% growth compared with the year ending March 2017, the head of Literacy Movement Organization said.5 Feb 2020


List of countries by Human Development Index

IRAN 70
PAKISTAN 154




Life Expectancy until present


IRAN 77.33
PAKISTAN 67.79

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

GDP COUNTRY

IRAN 1146$ Billion
PAKISTAN 305$ Billion

GDP by Country - Worldometer

Countries in the world ranked by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). List and ranking of GDP growth, GDP per capita and couuntry share of World's GDP

www.worldometers.info

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Economy of Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pakistan GDP 305billion despite almost 4 times the population


As you can see Iran outclasses Pakistan in every important field. I did not even pull out stats for infrastructure (having much more modern and solid infrastructure despite being larger than Pakistan). Did not even pull out many other stats for men on women violence, honor killings, suicide bombings etc.

All of this while being for 43 years under heavy Western sanctions and isolation and media vilification.

I only mention this because you were rude and started to use Western terms such as ''third world''. So i thought i had to prove it to you with solid data.



We can also pull out data how many Pakistani refugees are in Iran and vice versa. I am sure you don't want to go that way. Btw, we do not really have refugees. Most of those that ''flee'' are just political issues.

Iran is unable to properly benefit from its oil sales and other commercial trade. It is severely hampered by sanctions. Pakistan has a more functioning trade going on with the world compared to Iran.

You got Iran's GDP and PPP mixed up. I think given Iran has been around much longer as an established country there are some incumbent advantages it should have. Much of Iran's wealth largely is derived from decades of oil profit, without oil Iran's GDP/PPP/Literacy/Human Dev Index/ and all of the above would sharply decline. Yeah Iran is sanctioned but Iran still exports oil to a whole list of countries. It's really not that hard when your country has large oil reserves, sanctions or no sanctions there are buying customers.

By some estimates oil makes up 18% YoY of Iranian GDP (this compounds) and 30% of annual government revenue.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Smaller population and luckily an oil/gas producing nation. Without the oil their exports would be just little over $10B.

Iran Claims Non-Oil Exports Grew By 69% But Figures Can Be Deceiving

Iran says its non-oil exports grew by 69 percent in the quarter from March 21 to June 20 to $10.7 billion, but this figure is not what it seems to be at the first glance.

iranintl.com

When it comes to these issues, I wouldn't rely on a Saudi broadcaster whose purpose is to propagate against the Islamic Republic though.

Other sources put Iran's non-oil exports at almost 35 billion USD:
https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14000212000619/Iran’s-Nn-Oil-Gds-Expred-43-Cnries

There's no doubt that the progress made by Iran since the 1979 Revolution in reducing dependence on crude oil exports has been considerable. Whereas under the shah regime, the Iranian government's budget depended to around 80% on oil exports, this figure nowadays is below 50%.

As for Infrastructure, yes Tehran is amazing, however outside of Tehran it isn't much different than Pakistan.

Well, leaving aside comparisons between the two countries, large provincial cities in Iran have comparable infrastructures to Tehran - proportionally speaking of course. For example, apart from Tehran, four other cities have metro systems (Mashhad, Esfahan, Shiraz, Tabriz), and five if you count the city of Karaj, which is linked to Tehran through a commuter express line (also part of the local metro network). Plus, there are urban railway systems under construction in four other towns (Ahvaz, Qom, Kermanshah, Karaj). They will be less extensive than Tehran's, but this reflects their needs. And if you compare these systems with one another, the subways in Esfahan and Shiraz actually look much nicer than their Tehran counterpart (better station designs etc).

One thing that Iran beats Pakistan hands down is cleanliness, I have not seen any city in Pakistan that comes even close, well maybe Islamabad.

In my opinion Iranian cities are okay in terms of cleanliness, but there is room for improvement (still too many people throw pieces of garbage like food packaging next to sidewalks, and so on). Pollution and chronic traffic congestion are a problem, mostly in Tehran.

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almost 70% of irans exports are oil/gas/petrochemical related. almost 15-20% are minerals/raw resources. Once again as stated. Without energy resources Iran would be as poor as Afghanistan.

Petrochemicals are a transformative industry already and some of the biggest producers of petrochemicals are crude oil importers themselves (ie you don't necessarily need to have oil reserves yourself to be a major petrochemical producing country).

Now, crude oil and gas still make up a significant portion of Iran's exports or hard currency income, but on the other hand they account for only half or less of the government's budget. In this regard, much progress was made since the 1979 Revolution.

Also, non-oil industries developed at a rapid pace during the past 40 years, even if much of their output is destined for the domestic market. Look up production statistics for items such as steel, cement, chemicals, automobiles, agriculture among others. In many of these, Iran now ranks among the top twenty or so in the world, when it was nowhere close to this prior to the Revolution.

Todays Iran looks at itself as the protectors of Shiites throughout the world. Very similar to how Israel views itself as the global protector of jews.

Thus IRIs official economic, foreign, military, and diplomatic policy will always pertain to this shiite protectionist world view.

This is how some of Iran's adversaries like to portray it. The Islamic Republic however looks at itself in a much broader way, because it also pursues a pan-Islamic and a general anti-imperialist agenda. Which is why Iran came to the aid of various Sunni Muslim communities such as the Bosnians during the 1990's civil war, the Palestinians under zionist occupation (Iran being the only state actor worldwide to support them militarily), Kurds of Iraq threatened by "I"SIS and so on. And beyond the Muslim world, Iran has had close ties with governments such as Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea which oppose US imperialism.

When it comes to economic policy for instance, Afghanistan has a vast Sunni majority, yet Iran is the top exporter to Afghanistan, surpassing even China in this regard.

Also today Pakistan/ISI holds the reins of power in a significant Indo-Iranian nation ie Afghanistan. No more can Iran claim to be the protector of the Indo-Aryan Islamic Cultural Sphere of influence.

Well, here you actually recognize that Iran's foreign policy has other dimensions to it than just solidarity with Shia Muslims (which surely exists, but is not the only nor the dominant aspect). That Pakistan exerts more influence in Afghanistan should not prevent Iran from continuing to seek first rate relations with Afghanistan and Tajikistan, since these are fellow Persian-language countries inhabited by Iranian peoples (a quite natural thing to do).

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Every one in Iran is liberal, except minority ruling mafia.

Official functions in Iran are determined by popular vote. Moreover many Iranians, probably a majority, aren't liberal but thoroughly religious. The rulers of the IR didn't land from another planet, they are pure products of Iranian society and actually of the most traditionalist segments of it.

Given that Iran's enemies are extremely powerful and control the media at the global scale, religious Iranians and those supportive of the existing political order will rarely be shown or talked about in these media.

But some facts just speak for themselves. Such as the large crowds gathering each year on the occasion of the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, or the massive counter-demonstrations in 2009 which put a definitive end to the liberal "Green movement" fitna consecutive to Mahmud Ahmadinejad's reelection, and finally the unbelievable numbers of Iranians who took the streets when Qassem Soleimani was assassinated by the US regime, possibly a record in human history (there were probably some liberal but moderately patriotic citizens among these, however the majority wouldn't qualify as liberals).

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I couldn't agree more. Very unfortunately I was shocked to see how they love to keep Muslim names, yet wine & dine completely like non Muslims. Plus their women also wear more revealing clothes than even the westerns themselves. Similar thing I noticed with one Saudi couple that moved into my building. She arrived in a full Burqa, and within a few months maybe weeks it was shorts and skirts! Idk whats this desire to be naked in some women? Can't get it.

Liberal Iranians are over-represented in the west and in western-dominated mainstream media reports. Truth is that Iran, like other countries its size, has a plural society and there are tens of millions of religious Iranians who voluntarily observe Islamic rules relative to food and drinks as well as modesty of appearance (hejab if they are female), especially outside the posh and affluent districts of Tehran. In this regard, the conservative countryside, small towns and working class neighborhoods of large cities are very different from upper middle class and high income urban areas (with many if not most Iranian emigrants hailing from the latter places, which is why you will find many liberal-minded ones among them).

 

[SalarHaqq]

To be perfectly honest, much of the discussion has been beside the point.

Because firstly, this is really not an issue between Iran and the Taliban - Iranian state TV doesn't invite people affiliated to what Iran considers enemy states or organizations for interviews, specially on that particular show (called "Jahān Ārā", anyone familiar with it knows it's very pro-Revolution; contrary to what the quoted Tweet suggests, it's not just a generic news program). The anchor did put some critical questions to the Taliban representative, but not all his questions were critical. And apart from the interview, the show featured a lively debate between an Iranian analyst opposed to Iran intervening against the Taliban, and an Afghan cleric living in Iran with adverse views.

Secondly, there was a lot of commenting on this thread about the Afghans who clung to US military aircraft, as well as discussion of how the US attracts immigrants from various countries.

But what happened at Kabul airport is not so much related to whether or not America is attractive as a destination for migrants. Because, this was not the only US military flight taking off from Kabul since the occupation of Afghanistan in late 2001, is it? And yet, it was very much the first time we witnessed these sort of scenes.

Therefore, this stands in direct relation to the Taliban coming to power and those who were so desperate to leave Afghanistan to the point of committing an irrational act, were either:

1) People who used to work for US occupation forces, and were therefore fearing for their lives, believing that the Taliban will punish them.

2) Afghans who weren't working with the Americans, but who for whatever reason believed that the Taliban might persecute them.

3) Afghans who thought that conditions prevailing under the newly toppled, US-installed regime were satisfactory enough for them to stay in Afghanistan and that Taliban takeover will lead to such a worsening of daily life that they better run away.

Narratives put forth by western (and perhaps Indian) media particularly contributed to points 2) and 3), by exaggerating the immediate threat posed to ordinary Afghans by the Taliban.

As an example, see how the BBC broadcast these self-made images by liberal Afghan actress and filmmaker Sahra Karimi, who was running through the streets of Kabul in a hysterical state, lamenting loudly about the arrival of the Taliban as if it they were going to execute everyone; and in fact, most people she encountered were either laughing at her, or telling her it won't make a difference with the Taliban in charge.

Considering the above, it is in fact the cruelty, treason and deceitfulness of US occupation forces and their NATO allies that is most striking and shocking. I have seen comments faulting the people at the airport for their crazy move, others criticizing westernized elements in Muslim nations, but nothing much about the root cause, namely US and western-zionist imperialism.

America occupied Afghanistan and is therefore as much to blame as local collaborators. And seriously, how dishonorable and lowly is this on Washington's part, to drop their own collaborators once it was decided that US forces would leave the country? Mind you, this was not an emergency retreat under enemy fire unlike Saigon in 1975. Washington and the Taliban had held talks beforehand and prepared the ground for US withdrawal. But, it definitely isn't the first time America is selling out and/or suddenly abandoning its local allies, patsies or former foes turned partners. From Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi to Nicolae Ceacescu, examples literally abound.

They disbursed trillions on the war in Afghanistan, but will not even consent to a couple hundreds of thousands to exfiltrate the few thousand Afghans on that day, who had served them loyally or had bought into the propaganda of western media mouthpieces! Maybe now that they are in control, the Taliban will implement an amnesty for former collaborators but during the occupation years at least, those working with the Americans were certainly risking their lives. The Americans were seeing these individuals hopelessly trying to clasp their aircraft, and yet they unscrupulously took off.

So the actual lesson to be drawn from this, is the ease with which the US regime will precipitate under the bus people who willingly cooperate with it in local contexts. A lesson for every regional ally of America - whether states, organizations or private individuals. The US regime is a particularly disloyal associate and will not hesitate to quickly throw its supposed "friends" to the wolves the moment that winds change. There's nothing to be gained from rapprochement with let alone from dependence on Washington.

 

[KaiserX]

When it comes to these issues, I wouldn't rely on a Saudi broadcaster whose purpose is to propagate against the Islamic Republic though.

Other sources put Iran's non-oil exports at almost 35 billion USD:
https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14000212000619/Iran’s-Nn-Oil-Gds-Expred-43-Cnries

There's no doubt that the progress made by Iran since the 1979 Revolution in reducing dependence on crude oil exports has been considerable. Whereas under the shah regime, the Iranian government's budget depended to around 80% on oil exports, this figure nowadays is below 50%.



Well, leaving aside comparisons between the two countries, large provincial cities in Iran have comparable infrastructures to Tehran - proportionally speaking of course. For example, apart from Tehran, four other cities have metro systems (Mashhad, Esfahan, Shiraz, Tabriz), and five if you count the city of Karaj, which is linked to Tehran through a commuter express line (also part of the local metro network). Plus, there are urban railway systems under construction in four other towns (Ahvaz, Qom, Kermanshah, Karaj). They will be less extensive than Tehran's, but this reflects their needs. And if you compare these systems with one another, the subways in Esfahan and Shiraz actually look much nicer than their Tehran counterpart (better station designs etc).



In my opinion Iranian cities are okay in terms of cleanliness, but there is room for improvement (still too many people throw pieces of garbage like food packaging next to sidewalks, and so on). Pollution and chronic traffic congestion are a problem, mostly in Tehran.

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Petrochemicals are a transformative industry already and some of the biggest producers of petrochemicals are crude oil importers themselves (ie you don't necessarily need to have oil reserves yourself to be a major petrochemical producing country).

Now, crude oil and gas still make up a significant portion of Iran's exports or hard currency income, but on the other hand they account for only half or less of the government's budget. In this regard, much progress was made since the 1979 Revolution.

Also, non-oil industries developed at a rapid pace during the past 40 years, even if much of their output is destined for the domestic market. Look up production statistics for items such as steel, cement, chemicals, automobiles, agriculture among others. In many of these, Iran now ranks among the top twenty or so in the world, when it was nowhere close to this prior to the Revolution.



This is how some of Iran's adversaries like to portray it. The Islamic Republic however looks at itself in a much broader way, because it also pursues a pan-Islamic and a general anti-imperialist agenda. Which is why Iran came to the aid of various Sunni Muslim communities such as the Bosnians during the 1990's civil war, the Palestinians under zionist occupation (Iran being the only state actor worldwide to support them militarily), Kurds of Iraq threatened by "I"SIS and so on. And beyond the Muslim world, Iran has had close ties with governments such as Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea which oppose US imperialism.

When it comes to economic policy for instance, Afghanistan has a vast Sunni majority, yet Iran is the top exporter to Afghanistan, surpassing even China in this regard.



Well, here you actually recognize that Iran's foreign policy has other dimensions to it than just solidarity with Shia Muslims (which surely exists, but is not the only nor the dominant aspect). That Pakistan exerts more influence in Afghanistan should not prevent Iran from continuing to seek first rate relations with Afghanistan and Tajikistan, since these are fellow Persian-language countries inhabited by Iranian peoples (a quite natural thing to do).

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Official functions in Iran are determined by popular vote. Moreover many Iranians, probably a majority, aren't liberal but thoroughly religious. The rulers of the IR didn't land from another planet, they are pure products of Iranian society and actually of the most traditionalist segments of it.

Given that Iran's enemies are extremely powerful and control the media at the global scale, religious Iranians and those supportive of the existing political order will rarely be shown or talked about in these media.

But some facts just speak for themselves. Such as the large crowds gathering each year on the occasion of the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, or the massive counter-demonstrations in 2009 which put a definitive end to the liberal "Green movement" fitna consecutive to Mahmud Ahmadinejad's reelection, and finally the unbelievable numbers of Iranians who took the streets when Qassem Soleimani was assassinated by the US regime, possibly a record in human history (there were probably some liberal but moderately patriotic citizens among these, however the majority wouldn't qualify as liberals).

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Liberal Iranians are over-represented in the west and in western-dominated mainstream media reports. Truth is that Iran, like other countries its size, has a plural society and there are tens of millions of religious Iranians who voluntarily observe Islamic rules relative to food and drinks as well as modesty of appearance (hejab if they are female), especially outside the posh and affluent districts of Tehran. In this regard, the conservative countryside, small towns and working class neighborhoods of large cities are very different from upper middle class and high income urban areas (with many if not most Iranian emigrants hailing from the latter places, which is why you will find many liberal-minded ones among them).

Progress made since 1979? back then the royal and inner elite had the wealth, only difference is today it is the Mullahs and their IRGC affiliates who hold most of the wealth.

End result is the same. Even worse now tbh. What a waste to see a nation like Irans talent go to waste due to Pathological Cultist.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Progress made since 1979? back then the royal and inner elite had the wealth, only difference is today it is the Mullahs and their IRGC affiliates who hold most of the wealth.

End result is the same. Even worse now tbh. What a waste to see a nation like Irans talent go to waste due to Pathological Cultist.

Please do the necessary research. I mentioned concrete examples of industrial and agricultural sectors which experienced massive growth, and this is not too hard to verify. I could have added various others such as pharmaceutical and medical device production, defence industries etc.

But let me help you save some time. Here's for steel, straight from the World Steel Association:

Iran's the 10th largest producer of crude steel in the world, topping countries like Taiwan, France, Italy, Spain, Canada. This is some real industrial power right there.

Source: https://www.worldsteel.org/en/dam/jcr:976723ed-74b3-47b4-92f6-81b6a452b86e/World%20Steel%20in%20Figures%202021.pdf

Now let's take a look at hydraulic cement production. Figures here are a bit older (from 2014), but still:

Iran's number 4 in the world (ex aequo with Turkey), after China, the USA and India. Not too bad now, is it.

Automobiles:

Iran occupies the 18th rank worldwide. Manufacturing more vehicles than Italy, Indonesia, South Africa, Malaysia. And increasing production from a mere 160.000 right after the Revolution to 880.000 in 2020, with a record figure of almost 1,6 million in 2010, then 1,5 million in 2017 (the current administration of Ebrahim Raisi has set it as one of its goals to boost the automobile industry anew).

When it comes to the population, the average Iranian consumes far more and is therefore better off than prior to 1979, with higher living standards. Here's a serious study documenting it, by an economist who used to work for the IMF and/or World Bank:

Was the Living Standard of Iranians Higher Before the Revolution?

Why the claim that the average standard of living has fallen since the revolution is false.

djavadsalehi.com

Furthermore, according to UN figures the growth registered by Iran's HDI (Human Development Index) since the Revolution puts it among the world's top 30 (I have a link for this if requested, would need to look it up).

Despite the currently harshest sanctions regime imposed on any nation, despite 8 years of war (1980-1988) due to Saddam's aggression costing hundreds of billions.

As for amassing personal wealth, in fact it's mostly liberal - read: western-apologetic - elites who tend to do so. The IRGC brass aren't known to enrich themselves. Imam Khomeini's simple lifestyle wasn't a secret either (a short wave radio thanks to which he followed global news was his foremost material belonging, and his dwelling, which can still be visited in Tehran, was anything but luxurious) and so is the current Supreme Leader's.

 

[KaiserX]

Please do the necessary research. I mentioned concrete examples of industrial and agricultural sectors which experienced massive growth, and this is not too hard to verify. I could have added various others such as pharmaceutical and medical device production, defence industries etc.

But let me help you save some time. Here's for steel, straight from the World Steel Association:

View attachment 772971

Iran's the 10th largest producer of crude steel in the world, topping countries like Taiwan, France, Italy, Spain, Canada. This is some real industrial power right there.

Source: https://www.worldsteel.org/en/dam/jcr:976723ed-74b3-47b4-92f6-81b6a452b86e/World%20Steel%20in%20Figures%202021.pdf

Now let's have a look at hydraulic cement production. Figures here are a bit older (from 2014), but still:

View attachment 772967

Iran's number 4 in the world (ex aequo with Turkey), after China, the USA and India. Not too bad now, is it.

Automobiles:

View attachment 772968

Iran occupies the 18th rank worldwide. Manufacturing more vehicles than Italy, Indonesia, South Africa, Malaysia. And increasing production from a mere 160.000 right after the Revolution to 880.000 in 2020, with a record figure of almost 1,6 million in 2010, then 1,5 million in 2017 (the current administration of Ebrahim Raisi has set it as one of its goals to boost the automobile industry anew).

When it comes to the population, the average Iranian consumes far more and is therefore better off than prior to 1979, with higher living standards. Here's a serious study documenting it, by an economist who used to work for the IMF and/or World Bank:

Was the Living Standard of Iranians Higher Before the Revolution?

Why the claim that the average standard of living has fallen since the revolution is false.

djavadsalehi.com

Furthermore, according to UN figures the growth registered by Iran's HDI (Human Development Index) since the Revolution puts it among the world's top 30 (I have a link for this if requested, would need to look it up).

Despite the currently harshest sanctions regime imposed on any nation, despite 8 years of war (1980-1988) due to Saddam's aggression costing hundreds of billions.

As for amassing personal wealth, in fact it's mostly liberal - read: western-apologetic - elites who tend to do so. The IRGC brass aren't known to enrich themselves. Imam Khomeini's simple lifestyle wasn't a secret either (a short wave radio with which he followed global news was his foremost material belonging, and his dwelling, which can still be visited in Tehran, was anything but luxurious) and so is the current Supreme Leader's.

I have serious doubts in any source you use at this point as previously you used nitpicked sources to go with your biased political views whereby I showed you neautral sources. It is the 4th post now where you replied with BS and refused to even answer my question.

In one of your replies you literally posted a video of a Pakistani shemale to prove Tehran was a better city

I doubt the validity of IRIs official figures. I have friends who have rich family in Iran and even there the situation you know better than me how bad it is. Iran has had access to trillion in energy funds since 1979 yet where did this money go?

Today Turkey is ahead, Pakistan is ahead. In 10 years even Afghanistan will be ahead and Iranian refugees will be going there

 

[SalarHaqq]

I have serious doubts in any source you use at this point as previously you used nitpicked sources to go with your biased political views whereby I showed you neautral sources.

Really, where? Care to point me to that occurrence?

And, you're considering the World Steel Association a "nitpicked source"? Fine, please go ahead and show me some other source which claims otherwise with regards to Iran's steel output then.

Also, the UN is "biased" in Iran's favor? This is truly some weak retort, I'm sure you can do better than that.

It is the 4th post now where you replied with BS and refused to even answer my question.

Well no, it's not. It was my second reply to you in this thread, not my fourth.

Once again, what exactly was "BS" about my post? One can't just issue blanket judgements without backing them up with at least a semblance of evidence or rational argumentation.

In one of your replies you literally posted a video of a Pakistani shemale to prove Tehran was a better city .

I never posted any "video of a Pakistani shemale", sorry. At this point you're so carelessly off the mark that you are confusing me for another user, namely Dariush the Great.

I doubt the validity of IRIs official figures.

Doubt them if you want, I however cited other sources than the Iranian government.

I have friends who have rich family in Iran and even there the situation you know better than me how bad it is.

I honestly know your assessment is wrong. And also that you're not interested in verifying the facts I submitted, apparently.

Iran has had access to trillion in energy funds since 1979 yet where did this money go?

It went into making Iran one of the top 30 countries in terms of HDI growth since 1979, as per United Nations figures.

Today Turkey is ahead, Pakistan is ahead.

Pakistan's ahead in terms of GDP with almost thrice the population. You find that particularly telling?

In 10 years even Afghanistan will be ahead and Iranian refugees will be going there

This statement shows you're not into serious discussion, but merely seeking to vent your biased prejudices against Iran.

And you know what's ironic here? The exiled Iranian opposition was holding the exact same discourse 20 years ago when the US regime invaded Afghanistan... claiming that Afghanistan will surpass Iran in a matter of years and that the direction of migration currents will be reversed. Well, it didn't quite turn out this way did it, with additional tens of thousands of Afghans crossing into Iran over the past week alone.

Now, I'd love to see our Afghan brothers experience economic and human development similar to what Iran achieved in the past four decades, but even this will not suffice to cause Iranians to migrate there en masse.

 

[Big_bud]

Liberal Iranians are over-represented in the west and in western-dominated mainstream media reports. Truth is that Iran, like other countries its size, has a plural society and there are tens of millions of religious Iranians who voluntarily observe Islamic rules relative to food and drinks as well as modesty of appearance (hejab if they are female), especially outside the posh and affluent districts of Tehran. In this regard, the conservative countryside, small towns and working class neighborhoods of large cities are very different from upper middle class and high income urban areas (with many if not most Iranian emigrants hailing from the latter places, which is why you will find many liberal-minded ones among them).

I hope thats the case. But so far my personal experience has only been with the liberal kinds, they are everywhere, and not a hint of Islam left in them unfortunately.

 

[HAIDER]

Its true, 90% of Iranians will leave and the first thing they will do is eat a ham sandwich and whine about how bad Mullahs are in Iran and how people have no freedom.

I spent some time in LA, this is a common disease ... all rich people have the same problems, specially Bahi hate mullah party.

He said pure Truth , had this being done here in Pakistan every one would have been saying "sanu v ly chal nal way babu sohni gadi walaya,

It is fact, majority of missing person cases ..they died in boats in the open sea or boats lost their path, and end up in open waters, or in foreign jails, and provided no communication for years.