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Taliban sniper hunted over seven UK deaths

Not entirely correct............

A sharp shooter in the British Military sense would be our fire team LSW gunner who uses the light support weapon and able to hit a target of 700 meters comfortably with a 5.56 round. However, never heard this term used before.
The US military has a similar notion. In the Marines/Army for example, there are three levels of expertise measured in the standard rifle qualification. Base is marksmen, then sharpshooter, then expert. Each Infantry squad (Generally 12-13 marines/soldiers) usually has at least 2-3 people who manage to qualify as expert. One of these people is chosen to be the "designated marksmen". Oftentimes the designated marksmen carries a modified version of the M16/M14/M21 designed to extend the maximum effective range of the squad out from the traditional 500 yard limit, to around 700 yards.
In Soviet parlance, snipers are often used this way tactically. However, in US/Commonwealth terms, sniper usually means someone specially trained for reconnaissance, high level officer assassinations, harassment, etc. Snipers operate independently or in small teams, while designated marksmen are squad level organic assets.
 
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Also, more of an issue for the mods, but isn't this in the wrong section? Shouldn't it be in the world affairs section? Note the UK in the subject line.
 
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Any soldier can be a sharpshooter but not everyone can be a sniper.
 
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Not entirely correct............

Both the sniper and sharp shooter are able to observe, hide and shoot, as would any soldier. However, a sniper is prefected to the art of stalking his enemy, gather intell, perform recce and identify targets and vehicles like types of tank, AFV, choppers etc etc etc......

A sharp shooter in the British Military sense would be our fire team LSW gunner who uses the light support weapon and able to hit a target of 700 meters comfortably with a 5.56 round. However, never heard this term used before.

He would also be trained to infantry level which is pretty damn decent compared to other militaries in the world, no fence to or Americans colleagues, but these guys are pretty good.

A sniper however, is able to stalk an enemy and if needed, stop an advancing battalion dead in their tracks by drawing its enemy out. He would be able to identify and relay targets, type of targets, enemy positions, live in a small trench for days on end, evade enemy from capture, and work in twos, spotter and sniper togther unless a specific role requires a single man to work alone. Assist Special Forces, lke SAS before RR into enemy strongholds my immobilising heavy gunners or RPGs.

However, it appears quite obvious that whoever this sniper of the Taliban is, is not moving around often. He is sitting/lying/hiding somewhere, where he has observations of the British base, observing movements and watching snipers moving away from the base getting into their positions which is always away from the rest of the unit. He is clearly aware that if he targets the sniper first, then the chances of being targetted or spotted is very slim, especially if he is using a high end market weapon.

The soviets had a way of dealing something like this, Air force bombardment of the entire region to kill him/her.

How do I know this.............did it, done it...........now i'm currently a sharp shooter for the Police
"Not entirely correct...."You've just said pretty much what I said there, my friend, although explained in greater detail than I did.

I've been there myself also, although I've taken a different route in the end to work for a well known arms manufacture in the UK, of which I'm guessing theres a high probability that you've used such weapons that your unit has purchased from.

There are many terms, such as you mentioned, that I've seen tried and tested and thought to one self; "Hmmm different but interesting".But the thing is, is that the likes of say, regular British Army for example, have always shown a keen interest to come up with many ways to be very accurate with all kinds of weapons. I've seen on more than one occasion a soldier on a particular range going for a 'one shot-one kill' method by using a GPMG at a range its deemed to be harassing. I've never seen or heard of this been done before apart from on a firing range.

But like I say, a sniper is a specialist role where as a sharpshooter is not.
 
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Wow 7 sniper shots .... must have used a stolen UK sniper rifle
or must have played alot of call of duty 4 games

So how are these guys getting access to sniper rifles ? or he/she just using a pistol and sniping form mountain
 
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Wow 7 sniper shots .... must have used a stolen UK sniper rifle
or must have played alot of call of duty 4 games

So how are these guys getting access to sniper rifles ? or he/she just using a pistol and sniping form mountain
COD 4 is not that real.....Bad company 2 is much more real in sense of bullet inaccuracy because of gravity.....
 
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Afghans Rediscover The Lee-Enfield
by James Dunnigan
January 22, 2009
Afghan traditionalists are changing the way the Taliban fight. This can be seen by the increase in the use of sniping by the Taliban. In the last year, NATO units in southern Afghanistan estimate there has been a 25 percent increase in sniping incidents. This is not seen as a major danger. NATO troops wear protective bests and helmets that can stop bullets fired at long range, making it very frustrating for the Taliban shooters trying to hit a distant target in a vulnerable spot.

This shift in tactics is largely a reaction to the better training, and weapons, of U.S. and NATO infantry. Afghans, and especially the Taliban, consider themselves great warriors. But they are getting tired of being defeated every time they get into a firefight with the foreign troops. Worse yet, if the Taliban stay put during a fight, the damned foreigners bring in a warplane that drops a smart bomb or two, bringing an inglorious (for the Taliban) end to the action.

Then some of the young guys remembered grandpa decrying the decline in marksmanship years ago. Back before the Russians showed up, in the 1980s, the best an Afghan could hope to have was a World War II, or World War I, era bolt action rifle. These weapons were eclipsed in the 1980s by full automatic AK-47s and the RPG rocket launcher. The young guys took to the AK, and the thrill of emptying a 30 round magazine on full automatic. Not bad for a brief firefight, and suddenly hardly anyone, except a few old timers, wanted to use the old bolt action rifle.

What was not noticed much outside of Afghanistan, was that this shift in weaponry brought to an end a long Afghan tradition of precision, long range shooting. Before the 1980s, this skill was treasured for both hunting and warfare. When doing neither, Afghan men played games centered on marksmanship. One, for example, involved a group of men chipping in and buying a goat. The animal was then tethered to a rock, often on a hill, and then the half dozen or so men moved several hundred meters away and drew lots to see who would fire in what order. The first man to drop the goat, won it. Since Afghanistan was the poorest nation in Asia, ammo was expensive, and older men taught the young boys all the proper moves needed to get that first shot off accurately.

During the 1980s, Saudi Arabia spent billions of dollars to arm Afghans with all the AK-47s and ammo they could use, and they used lots of it. But rarely for target practice. Compared to bolt-action rifles like the British Lee-Enfield, the AK-47 was much less accurate when one shot at a time was fired. The old timers, or a few young traditionalists, kept their Lee-Enfields, and made themselves useful picking off Russian soldiers at long distances, on those rare occasions where that was needed.

The Lee-Enfield is one of the oldest, and still widely used, rifles on the planet. Over 17 million were manufactured between 1895 and the 1980s. While there are more AK-47s out there (over 20 million in private hands), these are looked down on by those who use their rifles for hunting, or killing with a minimum expenditure of ammunition. The 8.8 pound Lee-Enfield is a bolt-action rifle (with a ten round magazine) noted for its accuracy and sturdiness. The inaccurate AK-47 has a hard time hitting anything more than a hundred meters away, while the Lee-Enfield can drop an animal, or a man, at over 400 meters.

There are millions of Lee-Enfields still in use throughout India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and even Iraq and other Persian Gulf nations. These are largely World War II leftovers. In the early half of the 20th century, the British gave out millions of these weapons to allies, or those being courted. Noting the accuracy of the Lee-Enfield (.303 caliber, or 7.7mm), the locals came to prize the rifle for hunting, and self-defense. There are still many gunsmiths throughout the region (and at least one factory in India) that will refurbish century old Lee-Enfields to "like new" condition. Ammunition is still manufactured, with the high quality stuff going for a dollar a round, and lesser quality for 25 cents a round. These rifles sell in the west for $500-1,000. The Lee-Enfield will carry on well into the 21st century.

One place where the Lee-Enfield found lots of fans was Afghanistan. There, the Afghans had been introduced to rifles in the 19th century, and they treasured these weapons. This was particularly true with the introduction of smokeless powder rifles in the late 19th century. Many Afghans were still using black powder rifles well into the 20th century. But once Lee-Enfields began show up in large numbers after World War I (1914-18), no one wanted the larger, heavier and less accurate black powder rifles (which always gave off your position, with all that smoke, after you fired a round.) Now, wealthy drug lords are buying expensive hunting and sniper rifles for their militias, but so far, the Taliban Snipers appear to be using grandpa's old Lee-Enfield.

Taliban with a Lee-Enfield or a warlords thug with a nice rifle i guess they will find out eventually.
 
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Taliban with a Lee-Enfield or a warlords thug with a nice rifle i guess they will find out eventually.

They already have. Modern forensic ballistics can give you the caliber and rifling almost immediately (Assuming the round lodged in the body). With a little bit of detective work you can find the snipers hide and deduce from the distance the muzzle velocity. From there you can get the precise ammo, and get it down to a couple of different candidates.

Lee-Enfields and Druganovs are the only things that have been showing up with any frequency however. 7.62X51 and it is a Druganov, .303 and it is a Lee-Enfield. I would be very surprised if it was anything else. I would also be very surprised if it was only a single individual doing the shooting. That would indicate a level of sophistication and training on par with western snipers/ perhaps even SF quality.
 
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Hi,

You are correct---but one british sniper is worth a 100 or is it a 1000 taliban---. I would say somewhere in between. Somewhat racial--but how do the british look at it.

Not in racist terms, but terms of cost. Think of the cost, both i terms of money and time, that the British Army incurred in training that one sniper, and equipping him with the latest weaponry and equipment. Compare that to a Taliban fighter who got a couple of weeks training with an AK-47 and is equipped with the bare minimum.

They already have. Modern forensic ballistics can give you the caliber and rifling almost immediately (Assuming the round lodged in the body). With a little bit of detective work you can find the snipers hide and deduce from the distance the muzzle velocity. From there you can get the precise ammo, and get it down to a couple of different candidates.

Lee-Enfields and Druganovs are the only things that have been showing up with any frequency however. 7.62X51 and it is a Druganov, .303 and it is a Lee-Enfield. I would be very surprised if it was anything else. I would also be very surprised if it was only a single individual doing the shooting. That would indicate a level of sophistication and training on par with western snipers/ perhaps even SF quality.

This guy is definitely not the average Taliban cannon-fodder. It could be that he is a military professional, maybe Special Forces, of a country who went renegade and joined the Taliban. Maybe even British, since he seems to know their moves and tactics well.

Or he could have been one of the Spetsnaz trained Afghans (during soviet occupation) who threw his lot with the Taliban now
 
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This guy is definitely not the average Taliban cannon-fodder. It could be that he is a military professional, maybe Special Forces, of a country who went renegade and joined the Taliban. Maybe even British, since he seems to know their moves and tactics well.

Or he could have been one of the Spetsnaz trained Afghans (during soviet occupation) who threw his lot with the Taliban now
The members of Taliban that originate from Afghanistan are quite likely to be professionals, yes a lot of them probably wouldn't know which end a bullet comes out of a gun, but a lot of them have a lot of know how of many ways of fighting, similar kind of ways the British and Americans fight.

During the early 80's, members of the SAS had chosen to "resign" from the regiment and shortly after, Soviet helicopters starting falling from the sky and high ranking Soviets were getting extra holes made in their heads and chests with accuracy & range very similar thats practiced in the west. And all of a sudden, those SAS troops that "resigned" two years ago didn't like their "new career" as a "door bell salesman" had "rejoined" the SAS without going through selection and got promoted to a higher rank. Just like that.

So with things like that what happened, theres no surprise that theres a good few Taliban with a few same tricks to play.
 
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This isn't the time or the place to mention it.
cuz the story is very similar the hero is the best sniper of Russians and takes out the best sniper of Germany not to mention the regular soldiers
 
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No offence but are you honestly telling me their training is superior to a 26 week CIC(UK) or the 9 week basic infantry training at fort benning (USA)?

Indeed they are tough as nails, but saying their training is "damn decent" compared to "other" armies around the world is a bit of an overstatement.

BTW you in the police in PK or UK.

It's not often mentioned because iguess of some supposed loss of pride, and more confirmation would be nice, but many of these snipers and other supposedly elite insurgent units, as is often noted in the press, had received the same type of training as their Western counterparts. In fact, too often i have read individual rogue western soldiers being the ones who had provided their necessary training?
 
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It's not often mentioned because iguess of some supposed loss of pride, and more confirmation would be nice, but many of these snipers and other supposedly elite insurgent units, as is often noted in the press, had received the same type oindividual rogue western soldiers being the ones who had provided their necessary training?f training as their Western counterparts. In fact, too often i have read

This reminds me of the US soldier currently being held by the Taliban.....recent reports show that he has converted and training the Taliban.....bit like the old Soviet stories where Soviet troops reverted to Islam and attacked their own former comrades......
 
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