Taliban seek venue change for peace talks with US

[TheDarkKnight]

What a waste of time! They are being sent to the after life in droves, either they negotiate now or will have economy class tickets to hell soon!

Have been hearing this for last 17+ years. I hope ANSF does what NATO + US couldn't do in 17+ years. And if things are as you say, I don't see the need to even negotiate with them.

You really think the Talis have any say in this? The moment their patrons stop the tap, the Talis will evaporate as the likes of Gulbadin, Masood etc.​

Its funny the opposing side, i.e. the Afghan Taliban, say the same about the current Afghan Govt - that they will evaporate once Foreign troops leave, and definitely if the foreign support in shape of $s and weapons are also taken away. Both are taking extreme postures and trying to appear bigger and stronger than they really are.

When are Afghans really going to take responsibility and try to control their own people? Always looking for an outside hand for the gross failures by ANA and the Govt. Whatever support Taliban may have gotten from Pakistan, is it more than what your govt and army has received from Western block? USA and NATO has provided the most menacing military might, un challenged airpower (i.e. Taliban has no air support!), billions of dollars in aid, and billions of dollars of weapons, and training to ANA as well. All that has not been able to beat Taliban with its so called support from Pakistan! So let me summarize this for you: ANA < Taliban (ANA has better weapons, training and money), The ANA support (USA Army troops, USAF, NATO) < Alleged Pakistani support (No Pakistani troops are helping, No Aircover, etc.). Both factors are heavily in favor of ANA and Afghan govt.

They do as GHQ commands them to do!

Like they followed the command of not handing over OBL after 9/11? If Pakistan really had some Taliban mind controlling technology they would have simply got them to abandon OBL and AQ after 9/11 and hand them over to US, and avoid the devastation it faced and the loss of a friendly govt in Afghanistan.

 

[a--team]

Have been hearing this for last 17+ years. I hope ANSF does what NATO + US couldn't do in 17+ years. And if things are as you say, I don't see the need to even negotiate with them.


Its funny the opposing side, i.e. the Afghan Taliban, say the same about the current Afghan Govt - that they will evaporate once Foreign troops leave, and definitely if the foreign support in shape of $s and weapons are also taken away. Both are taking extreme postures and trying to appear bigger and stronger than they really are.

When are Afghans really going to take responsibility and try to control their own people? Always looking for an outside hand for the gross failures by ANA and the Govt. Whatever support Taliban may have gotten from Pakistan, is it more than what your govt and army has received from Western block? USA and NATO has provided the most menacing military might, un challenged airpower (i.e. Taliban has no air support!), billions of dollars in aid, and billions of dollars of weapons, and training to ANA as well. All that has not been able to beat Taliban with its so called support from Pakistan! So let me summarize this for you: ANA < Taliban (ANA has better weapons, training and money), The ANA support (USA Army troops, USAF, NATO) < Alleged Pakistani support (No Pakistani troops are helping, No Aircover, etc.). Both factors are heavily in favor of ANA and Afghan govt.


Like they followed the command of not handing over OBL after 9/11? If Pakistan really had some Taliban mind controlling technology they would have simply got them to abandon OBL and AQ after 9/11 and hand them over to US, and avoid the devastation it faced and the loss of a friendly govt in Afghanistan.

1. For the AF gov it is a simple calculus, it wants to bring an end to the 40 years of instability either by force or through diplomacy. It is using both carrots and sticks to do that. The Talis are play drama queens now but the NUG is showing patience because it has bigger play at stick which is bringing back peace to the country.

2. The ANSF will beat these maggots because its a local force, has the respect of the locals and understand local sensitivities and that is something the foreign forces will never have no matter how advance they are.

3. All countries even Pak included will never accept a Tali dominated Afghanistan because it has direct repercussions for their countries, thus its upto the Afghan leadership to find a away to address the legitimate concerns for these neighbors and showcase that the Afghan state is the long term solution. This can be expedited by showing casing that the Talis cant win on the battle space and running a strong diplomacy.

4. Afghanistan is a changed country post 2001, millions go to vote every time because they believe in the system and that wont challenged because some Tali rats wants to.

5. I am product of post 2001, and there millions like me, do you really believe the Talis have a winning chance against this generation!

Don't follow what twitter feeds of Tali minions tell you, the facts on the ground are different.

/Peace

 

[ARMalik]

Guys, you need to understand why the Taliban have done this. Taliban DO NOT want to talk to India....FULL STOP. The indians tried using the A-stan government for the talks. Taliban simply refused to talk to them. Then the indians approached the Saudis and the UAE to see if this can be done. The Taliban have refused again, and they will continue to do this even if it takes another decade. WHY? Because only a few days ago Pakistan FO said that there is NO ROLE FOR INDIA IN AFGHANISTAN.

You need to understand that Taliban are a asset of Pak military, and they will no negotiate with anyone unless Pakistan wants them to do so.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Guys, you need to understand why the Taliban have done this. Taliban DO NOT want to talk to India....FULL STOP. The indians tried using the A-stan government for the talks. Taliban simply refused to talk to them. Then the indians approached the Saudis and the UAE to see if this can be done. The Taliban have refused again, and they will continue to do this even if it takes another decade. WHY? Because only a few days ago Pakistan FO said that there is NO ROLE FOR INDIA IN AFGHANISTAN.

You need to understand that Taliban are a asset of Pak military, and they will no negotiate with anyone unless Pakistan wants them to do so.

They are obliged to Pakistan and consider Pakistan their ally/friend.

Their opinion of India is lower than ours.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

1) By all means fence the border, but you don't need to fence the border to disallow Talis, they are sitting in settled areas of Pakistan, mostly in Pindi, Karachi.
2) Tit for tat I suppose
3) I agree and this what Ashraf Ghani has stated several times that there is state of hostilites between AF-Pakistan and that needed to be negotiated and settled. Talking with Talis is a waste of time in my opinion, Afghans needs to talk to the patrons.

/Peace

1)Here is a map you may recognise:

In case you are unaware of the ground realities, the green areas signify Taliban control. Tell me, how delusional can you be to seriously look at this map realise that the taliban controls >50% of Afghanistan and still think they are operating or are based out of Pakistan?

Additionally, Afghan officials have shown on numerous occasions their disdain for Pakistan's attempts to fortify the border, and the Afghan Army/police have shown on multiple occasions that they cannot control their own border; surely if a country was being overrun by a militant group based over the border they would take every step to ensure the border is secure and take steps to man and control every border outpost.

2) So you admit that Afghanistan is just as bad as you claim Pakistan to be, you realise this means that you have no ground to base your argument on

3) I cant believe that someone claiming to be Afghan can seriously be this out of touch:

"Talking with Talis is a waste of time"

How ridiculous, either you are not Afghan or are a child

 

[Abu Zarrar]

Taliban’s foreign meetings mean their recognition: MPs

Afghan lawmakers on Saturday said Taliban’s meetings with foreign countries should not be allowed if they did not involve Afghan government officials because it was the question of the government’s legitimacy.

The lower house or Wolesi Jirga members voiced their frustration after hopes for peace faded away with rejection of the Taliban to hold direct talks with the Afghan government.

Efforts for peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan have been increased by the US and other countries and the US Special Envoy for Reconciliation had so far held a number of meetings with the Taliban and regional countries.

Saleh Mohammad Saljoqi, a lawmaker from Herat province, said there had been high hopes for peace and reconciliation weeks earlier, but recently hopes for peace and conciliation had declined.

He said recent efforts by different countries and parties failed to arrange direct talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government.

Referring to Taliban’s meetings with foreign countries specially Iran, he said: “Instead of helping the Afghan reconciliation process, they (Iranians) held direct links with the Taliban under the pretext of helping the Afghan reconciliation process. Had our neighboring and regional countries recongnised our government formally and had our partners considered the current fight as anti-terrorism campaign and acknowledged the sacrifices of our children, they would never have talked to the Taliban in the absence of Afghan government representatives,” he said.

He asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to issue a formal statement and ask the neighboring countries not to talk to the Taliban without the Afghan government being represented.

Mohammad Arif Rahmani, another lawmaker, echoed Saljoqi’s views and said the Taliban’s meetings with regional countries without representation of the Afghan government meant recognition of the Taliban and undermining the legitimacy of Afghan government.

Speaker Abdul Rauf Ibrahimi said high hopes for peace and reconciliation had weakened.

He said meetings of Taliban representatives with regional countries without the Afghan government’s presence would help the peace process.

He termed such meetings as interference in internal affairs of Afghanistan and said: “If anyone wants to help the peace process, it should facilitate direct talks between the Taliban and Afghan government.”

https://www.pajhwok.com/en/2019/01/12/taliban’s-foreign-meetings-mean-their-recognition-mps

 

[nahtanbob]

They also don't like subterfuge and avoid dealings with forked tongue hypocrites.

they take orders from their masters too

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

2) Tit for tat I suppose

This only works when both the sides involved have equal power it's always been a tit from our side and no tat in response, so not a good idea making enemy out of a powerfull neighbor.

You really think the Talis have any say in this?

And you really think Afghanisan has a say in this peace process? LOL
There are only 3 party's involved in this Pakistan Taliban, USA and then we have afghan gov trying be relevent in this whole thing.