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Taliban seek return to peace deal in Pakistan

Yeah - how many times have they gone back on their 'promises'?

The media and many commentators would always blame the GoP and Army for the failure of the past peace deals, since there was always this impression that the Taliban were sincere and we were not.

Well that perception has been blown to smithereens with the Nizam-e-Adl Regulations and the invasion of Buner, so how can anyone guarantee that we won't see a repeat of the past and the Taliban once again regrouping and attacking the state?

Kill off the leadership and commanders, arrest and prosectute whoever surrenders (rehabilitaion programs can be initiated for some who reform while in prisons depending upon individual cases). We are not dealing with over 2 million displaced just so we can strike peace deals with the same characters that have backstabbed us time and again.
 
Peace deal was a sign of weakness. The Taliban took full advantage of that. Once again I will say..... Everyone in Pakistan has to abide with the law of the land. Very simple and no exceptions.

Remember all the outrage after the Lal Masjid operation? Had the public and specially the media been more responsible in their reaction....... just maybe we would not have such a problem on our hands at the moment. The media with their new found freedom of speech and ratings went overboard. This sent a message to the Taliban that emboldened their ambitions.
 
Taliban seek return to peace deal in Pakistan - CNN.com
Pakistan (CNN) -- The Pakistani Taliban -- under pressure in fighting with the military -- said Tuesday it wants to return to a peace deal that recently collapsed. The fighting in the Swat Valley region has forced thousands of civilians to abandon their homes. That collapse sparked the ongoing massive military operation, a Taliban spokesman said Tuesday.

Taliban militants in Swat Valley have announced that they are willing to disarm if the Pakistani government allows sharia, or Islamic law, to be implemented in the region, a spokesman for Taliban mediator Sufi Mohammed said.

The government rejected the offer, saying the Taliban must pull out of Swat or face arrest, state information minister Syed Sumsam Ali Shah Bukhari said Tuesday. According to Bukhari, the offer shows that the Taliban's morale is down and they are retreating.

The lastest round of fighting has killed an estimated 1,100 Taliban militants and 75 Pakistani security personnel, Pakistan's military said Tuesday. Another 226 Pakistani security personnel have been wounded, the military said.

Mohammed negotiated the previous deal between the Taliban and the government, which called for the same arrangement.

That deal fell apart because the Taliban refused to disarm and moved into the Buner district, located outside of the region that the government allowed them to control.

The government has said it will only allow sharia if it does not contradict Pakistan's constitution. There are many interpretations of Islamic law, but the Taliban's version has curbed human rights, forcing women indoors, men to grow beards, and shops to stop selling movies and music.

The military operation against the Taliban in northwest Pakistan has resulted in the exodus of more than 2.4 million civilians since May 2.

The United Nations estimates that it's the biggest movement of people in Pakistan since the country was formed in 1947. It is also believed to be the fastest population flight in the world since the Rwandan genocide in 1994.

In my opinion our civilian leadership should have made it clear to all by saying: "You're either with us or against us."
Hate using a quote by Pres Bush but it does hammer the point home
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send them back where they come from ;) is it India?????
 
I am completely for the idea that the Taliban lay down their arms but I say NO to negotiating anything with them. They can come to the table for negotiationg as Pakistanis. Not as armed Taliban with their own agenda. They have to abide with the law of the land. Any Taliban that lay down their arms and are not Pakistanis should be allowed safe passage out of Pakistan (my opinion).

And why should they be allowed safe passage out they should be hanged first and then given a safe passge out in a box.

Residents nicknamed it "Khooni Chowk" or "bloody intersection" because the militants would leave their victims' bodies there – some decapitated, some killed in other brutal ways. The dead often were left hanging from trees. Some had notes attached that accused the victims of spying and told local residents not to move the bodies until specified times.

These are the people u wanna offer safe passage to ?
 
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Kill off the leadership and commanders

Only effective if they are not seen as martyrs to the cause and the immortal soul can not ascend.
From memory the British had a way of dealing with this and it was brutal but effective.

Carry this out anyother way and it will not have a terminal effect on the rest of the Taliban.

Yes I have been accused of not having a heart, so don't bother making appropriate comment.
 
send them back where they come from ;) is it India?????
I'm assuming it was a joke.... but things like this derail the thread very quickly.
In all seriousness lets not drag India into this. This is our problem. No one is going to fix it for us.
 
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Kill off the leadership and commanders

Only effective if they are not seen as martyrs to the cause and the immortal soul can not ascend.
From memory the British had a way of dealing with this and it was brutal but effective.

Carry this out anyother way and it will not have a terminal effect on the rest of the Taliban.

Yes I have been accused of not having a heart, so don't bother making appropriate comment.

Agreed. When talking about people that are brutal and without heart... I don't think you need to watch your comments or care what anyone else thinks. This world has become too politically correct. People should speak their minds.
 
Talibans urges refugees of swat to return home

The Taliban yesterday urged civilians to return to the swat valley's main city,promising they would not attack security forces battling for control out of concern for the safety of traped residents.(biggest joke on the planet)

Pakistan's military dismissed the gesture as a ploy that would allow the militants (cowards)to blend in with the residents of Mingora,and said it had no intention of halting its offensive in the valley.

courtesy of toronto star.
 
Only effective if they are not seen as martyrs to the cause and the immortal soul can not ascend.
From memory the British had a way of dealing with this and it was brutal but effective.

Carry this out anyother way and it will not have a terminal effect on the rest of the Taliban.

Yes I have been accused of not having a heart, so don't bother making appropriate comment.

My memory fails on this - was it something to do with Pigs, carcasses and blood?
 
Swat strategy

In the briefing was a very clear exposition of the strategy behind the Swat Valley operation, one that has political as well as military components.

Major-General Athar Abbas, a military spokesman, explained the wider campaign against internal insurgency began as far back as December 2007.
This went through various phases of military action followed by either surrender or periods of negotiation with various armed groups.

The peace deal reached earlier this year with Taliban groups in the Swat Valley was yet another pause in the ongoing game of high stakes cat and mouse.

When the deal was broken and the Taliban groups advanced towards the capital, Islamabad, a new phase began.

Abbas says this phase is one that will not end in negotiation:victory: – the instructions from the political leaders are to push the campaign until the enemy is defeated.

Essentially the gloves are off, and the military is operating with the assurance that there will be no pause for any negotiation.

Isolating the Taliban

At the same time, there appears to be an understanding among the military of the wider strategy as outlined by the government: The armed offensive is just one component of regaining control of the Swat Valley, the other and perhaps even more important aspect - certainly in the long term - is to regain political control.

In order to achieve this, those supporting the Taliban need to be isolated politically as well as defeated militarily.

The end of the military offensive would be just the beginning of the critical phase in establishing what General Abbas calls “the writ of the government”- the ultimate end of the campaign is to allow the return of a civilian administration that has the support of the majority of people in the valley.

It is only with this in the government view that the challenge of armed insurgency can be dealt with on a long-term basis.

This need to maintain civilian support brings with it specific operational considerations: underlying the ongoing campaign is an absolute imperative to keep civilian casualties to a minimum, the military says.

The officer commanding the 19th Division of the Pakistani army is Major-General Sajjad Ghani, the officer in charge of operations in the upper Swat valley.

General Ghani says the full resources of the military can be deployed in rural areas- for example the capture of Baine Baba Ziarat involved the use of fighter aircraft, helicopter gunships, mortars and artillery.

Urban combat

However Ghani said none of these resources are being deployed in urban combat because that would put civilians in the middle of the fighting at greater risk.

Instead, the general maintains it is infantry and infantry alone that is being deployed in densely populated regions. It is for this reason, perhaps, that the current operation to take control of Mingora will be, according to the army, “painfully slow”.

There are an estimated ten to twenty thousand civilians still in Mingora, and if the declared operational parameters are being followed then only foot soldiers are being deployed with little or no air or artillery support.

The military briefing also made clear that the operation against armed insurgency will not end in Swat.
Major-General Abbas told me that the offensive in Swat could well provide the blueprint for campaigns in other parts of the country.

I asked specifically whether he was referring to North and South Waziristan and he said yes.

He says the government will ultimately determine the priorities - and in consultation with the military - will deploy forces where and when needed according to what is regarded as the greatest challenge to national sovereignty at any given time.

Victory in the Swat valley then, if achieved, may not be the end of the government’s campaign to establish national control – it may well just mark the beginning.
Al Jazeera English - Focus - Regaining control of Swat valley
 
no way. no peace deal. this has been tried many times. lets get rid of them and expel them from pakistan....

No as easy as you think. The ISI has used them in the past for covert operations (I think).
 
PA intially claiming that they will flush out these terrorist with in few weeks same claim we are hearing from last two years,it mean there is hidden things or hardles which PA could not cross or avoiding to cross.
It is basic rule of conflict or war never under etimate enemy , PA is not trained for Gurrilla war , most difficult war in which casuality rate is very high.

Second thing we have seen GOP have no contigency planning for rehabilitation of displaced people of SWAT.

If nation really want to get ride of these jehadi mullahs or terrorist then nation and army and security forces should be trained for well planned gurilla war ,which may prolong to 20 or more years.
 

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