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Again was it sunni or shia? Can you answer?

And thats why I asked you that question that can you be more specific. Not with the shia or Sunni, but with what exactly are you trying to say. If you are saying that it was the Muslims who did is first, or are you implying that we some how invented the idea of suicide bombing. Now if your question is on the invention part the answer is NO.
But if you are asking on who started it first no one can be certain about it. In the modern times, I would say Hizballah were the first ones they were Shia then the Palestinian groups followed suite and they were Sunni.
But one thing you cant label the whole thing as per your wish of Shia or Sunni. Its like trying to figure out which branch of Christianity would be blamed for any Christian terrorist group. We have to see what is the logic behind some of the actions. Where I would in no way condone the actions of the Talibans, I might have a different view of these tactics during war time. So a religion or a certain sect of religion cant be associated with any acts of terror. Let it be a Shia, Sunny or any XYZ.
 
And thats why I asked you that question that can you be more specific. Not with the shia or Sunni, but with what exactly are you trying to say. If you are saying that it was the Muslims who did is first, or are you implying that we some how invented the idea of suicide bombing. Now if your question is on the invention part the answer is NO.
But if you are asking on who started it first no one can be certain about it. In the modern times, I would say Hizballah were the first ones they were Shia then the Palestinian groups followed suite and they were Sunni.
But one thing you cant label the whole thing as per your wish of Shia or Sunni. Its like trying to figure out which branch of Christianity would be blamed for any Christian terrorist group. We have to see what is the logic behind some of the actions. Where I would in no way condone the actions of the Talibans, I might have a different view of these tactics during war time. So a religion or a certain sect of religion cant be associated with any acts of terror. Let it be a Shia, Sunny or any XYZ.

Since your argument is becoming so vague, i must request you to answer another question, because you are ranting about something that I did not ask.

The percentage of bombers that have died in creating suicides bombs? Where majority sunni or shai?
 
Sunni
The majority of Sunni scholars reject simple suicide,[55] but some top authorities support suicide attacks on perceived enemies of Islam. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, sometimes called "the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist",[56] has called martyrdom operations:

The greatest of all sorts of Jihad in the Cause of Allah. A martyr operation is carried out by a person who sacrifices himself, deeming his life less value than striving in the Cause of Allah, in the cause of restoring the land and preserving the dignity.[57]

Other clerics have supported attacks in connection with Palestine. Sunni Iraqi cleric Sheikh Ahmad Al-Qubeisi has proclaimed that "those who commit martyrdom [i.e. suicide] operations who are, by Allah, the greatest martyrs in Islamic history..."[58] Amongst others the Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis,[59] the former President of Al-Azhar University, Ahmad 'Omar Hashem[60] and Cleric, Sheikh Ibrahim Mudeiris of Gaza[61] have all urged on suicide operations by Muslims. Sayed Mohammed Musawi, head of the World Islamic League in London, condemning the London bombings, but insisted "there should be a clear distinction between the suicide bombing of those who are trying to defend themselves from occupiers, which is something different from those who kill civilians, which is a big crime."[62] There have been conflicting reports about the stand of Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy, the top Egyptian cleric of Al Azhar University, and the mufti of Egypt, Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Al Tayyeb. Shortly after 9/11, Sheikh Tantawy issued a statement opposing suicide attacks.[63] Again in mid-2003 he was quoted again as saying "groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam."[64]

According to Charles Kimball, chair of the Department of Religion at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, "There is only one verse in the Qur'an that contains a phrase related to suicide", Verse 4:29 of the Qur'an.[65] It reads O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you. Some commentators believe that the phrase "do not kill yourselves" is better translated "do not kill each other", and some translations (e.g. Shakir) reflect that view.

Mainstream Islamic groups such as the European Council for Fatwa and Research use the Quran'ic verse Al-Anam 6:151 (And take not life, which Allah has made sacred, except by way of justice and law) as further reason to prohibit suicide.[66] In addition, the hadith unambiguously forbid suicide.[67]

A contrary view is presented by Faisal Bodi who has written in The Guardian that "in the Muslim world, then, we celebrate what we call the martyr-bombers. To us they are heroes defending the things we hold sacred. Polls in the Middle East show 75% of people in favour of martyr-bombings."[56] Nevertheless, Islamist militant organisations (including Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Islamic Jihad) continue to argue that suicide operations are justified according to Islamic law, despite Islam's strict prohibition of suicide and murder.[68][69] Irshad Manji, in a conversation with one leader of Islamic Jihad noted their ideology.

"What's the difference between suicide, which the Koran condemns, and martyrdom?" I asked. "Suicide," he replied, "is done out of despair. But remember: most of our martyrs today were very successful in their earthly lives." In short, there was a future to live for--and they detonated it anyway.

Since the four suicide bombings in London, there have been many scholastic refutations of suicide bombings from Sunni Muslims. Ihsanic Intelligence, a London-based Islamic think-tank, published their two-year study into suicide bombings in the name of Islam, titled 'The Hijacked Caravan',[70] which concluded that "The technique of suicide bombing is anathema, antithetical and abhorrent to Sunni Islam. It is considered legally forbidden, constituting a reprehensible innovation in the Islamic tradition, morally an enormity of sin combining suicide and murder and theologically an act which has consequences of eternal damnation."[71] The Oxford-based Malaysian jurist Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti issued his landmark fatwa on suicide bombing and targeting innocent civilians, titled 'Defending the Transgressed, by Censuring the Reckless against the Killing of Civilians', where he states suicide bombing in its most widespread form, is forbidden: 'If the attack involves a bomb placed on the body or placed so close to the bomber that when the bomber detonates it the bomber is certain [yaqin] to die, then the More Correct Position according to us is that it does constitute suicide. This is because the bomber, being also the Maqtul [the one killed], is unquestionably the same Qatil [the immediate/active agent that kills] = Qatil Nafsahu [suicide]"[72]

[edit] Shia
In January 2006, one of Shia Islam's highest ranking Marja clerics, Ayatollah al-Udhma Yousof al-Sanei also decreed a fatwa against suicide bombing, declaring it as a "terrorist act".[73]

[edit] Sufi
On March 2, 2010 Pakistani Sunni Sufi scholar Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri published a 600-page Fatwa Against Terrorism,[74] including suicide bombing in the name of Islam
Suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the way there are from your own link that you provided!!!

Thanks

oh i can clearly see how you skipped over the part that says it wasnt initiated by sunnis...look buddy making dumb comments about someones religion is easy, your not the one who belongs to a religion whose followers are branded terrorists wherever they go so i dont expect you to understand jack..As far as sunni and shia is concerned we have our differences and yes some of the beliefs shias have are radical but we are all muslims.. like i said go read up the history on fidayeen before you come and talk here...your argument is that sunnis blow sh**t up and they are the ones who started suicide bomibing..im a sunni everybody on this forum is mostly a sunni do u see us blowing stuff up...your logic is like relating shiv sena to whole of india..you accept that logic right .. and for your kind information sunnis denounce suicide bombings and weère against them...we didnt start them, terrorists did.. people who came way before islam were terrorists just like some numbskulls who are spreading terrorism today..

you wanna personally attack me thats fine ..stay off my religion, thats off limits to you and anybody whose reading this
 
Since your argument is becoming so vague, i must request you to answer another question, because you are ranting about something that I did not ask.

The percentage of bombers that have died in creating suicides bombs? Where majority sunni or shai?

It would be better that you should now stop this Shunni & Shia thing.

Net is full of resources and material which gives the facts about the origin of different suicidal attacks, the methods employed, the chronology and how many would have been done by Shia and Sunnis.

And much better would be to go after the reasons for such incidents.
 
Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 3:52PM GMT 09 Mar 2010
In the last few weeks the Taliban's overall military commander for Afghanistan, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, who is Mullah Omar's deputy, was captured in a joint intelligence raid in Karachi by Pakistani and American agents.
Several members of the 'Quetta Shura', the movement's ruling council were later captured in the city, while the group's Pakistani leader Hakimullah Mehsud was believed to have been killed in a missile strike by an unmanned Predator drone. Earlier this week, Mullah Omar's son-in-law, a former minister in the last Taliban government was also arrested.

The threat was issued after one of its leaders claimed responsibility for a suicide car bomb which killed 13 people outside an interrogation centre in Lahore where militant suspects are questioned.
Eight officials from the Federal Investigation Agency were those killed when the bomber detonated a Toyota Carolla packed with 1300 pounds of explosives between the office and a local religious school.
It was the third time the centre had been targeted and marked a return to its suicide bombing campaign after a number of serious setbacks for the Taliban leadership.
The bombing in Lahore served notice that the movement retains the ability to strike throughout Pakistan, while Azam Tariq, a spokesman for the Taliban, served notice that it had the capacity to intensify its campaign.
"We have around 3,000 more suicide bombers. We'll target all government places, buildings and offices," he said in a call to a news agency.

More than 3,000 people were killed in terrorist attacks in Pakistan last year as suicide bombers and 'fedayeen' commandos struck in Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore, and Peshawar. The figure marked a 48 per cent increase on 2008, reflecting a furious Taliban reaction to Pakistan Army operations against Taliban militants in South Waziristan and Bajaur Agencies.
Analysts believe the success of the army offensive in South Waziristan and their recent successes in arresting senior Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders has damaged the militants' ability to strike as regularly as they did last year.

Taliban 'ready to unleash 3,000 suicide bombers in Pakistan' - Telegraph



get ready guys. we about see if talibans are still a potent force or wat we have been hearing by our security officials is correct


Notice the western media did not add spokesperson of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

I hope everyone knows that Azam Tariq is the spokesperson of TTP not Afghan Taliban.

TTP bastards are the enemies of Pakistan.
 
oh i can clearly see how you skipped over the part that says it wasnt initiated by sunnis...look buddy making dumb comments about someones religion is easy, your not the one who belongs to a religion whose followers are branded terrorists wherever they go so i dont expect you to understand jack..As far as sunni and shia is concerned we have our differences and yes some of the beliefs shias have are radical but we are all muslims.. like i said go read up the history on fidayeen before you come and talk here...your argument is that sunnis blow sh**t up and they are the ones who started suicide bomibing..im a sunni everybody on this forum is mostly a sunni do u see us blowing stuff up...your logic is like relating shiv sena to whole of india..you accept that logic right .. and for your kind information sunnis denounce suicide bombings and weère against them...we didnt start them, terrorists did.. people who came way before islam were terrorists just like some numbskulls who are spreading terrorism today..
attack me thats fine
you wanna personally ..stay off my religion, thats off limits to you and anybody whose reading this

First of all kiddo, I have read all religious books to ask a questions? Regarding staying off my religion and off limits!!!! You are not answering a basic question that is asked by me and ranting on to something that know one understands in this forum.


Again stay focus and answer my question besides thinking how good you are about your own religion, thanks!!!!
 
Since your argument is becoming so vague, i must request you to answer another question, because you are ranting about something that I did not ask.

The percentage of bombers that have died in creating suicides bombs? Where majority sunni or shai?

I would have answered that question in a manner fitting to you question, and then you wouldn't have liked that. Because respect, and comprehension are something way beyond you my fried. So rather then asking silly questions and trying to troll get a diff hobby and also refer to post # 52.
 
Dean Nelson in New Delhi



Any surprises guys? The journalist is reporting from his head quarters in New Delhi.


Of course New Delhi would know better how many TTP suicide bombers there are out there.


And this news comes on the brink of India's recent diplomatic failures in Afghanistan.

Surprise!! Surprise!!

:) right on target. I had always been doubtful of Dean Nelson reporting from New Dehli about FATA. anyone buying a report about FATA from someone who is sitting in India would be more than foolish.


Suicide bombers/bombing:

On the other hand its reality the TTP terrorists have been having and training suicide bombers. TTP has close links with banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi hence they succeed in recruiting suicide attckers from South Punjab belonging to LJ. Lashker-e-Jhangvi has close links with al-qaeda. So its not a secret that TTP has suicide bombers.


But the figure of 3000 is not authentic. After Pakistan army had defeated them in Bajaur, Swat, they are on run and they tried alot to carry on attacks in frustration though they have succeeded in few.


With changing scenario viz a viz talks with Afghan Taliban with US, Pakistan onboard, haqqani group is also observing caution not to lend help to TTP untill the situation is cleared.

So 3000 fighure at the moment is exegerated.
 
we're still standing you bastards bring it on !!

Not a right way to put buddy.. let me rephrase it.

What is this 3000 suicidal bombers going to do? claim 30,000 lives? We are ready to sacrifice 1,17,00,000 of us if needed to defend this pride land INSHALLAH! WE WILL! You better worry what you are going to do after loosing all of your suicidal freaks. Pakistan is under Saya-e-Khudaya-e-Zuljallal and Taliba's better worry how long are they going to stretch the shade of satin they operate under.

:pakistan: :pakistan: :pakistan: :pakistan: :pakistan:
 
These killers are capable of committing every crime! After they were droven out of Swat and other areas, where did they go? they simply melted away among the population and now they are carrying these attacks. shame on these people.
 
killing innocent ppl is the biggest crime..may god give hell to all the suicide bombers
 
killing innocent ppl is the biggest crime..may god give hell to all the suicide bombers

Amin to that and also may they blow into the hands of their caretakers.
 
it is difficult to live in a world full of hatred...
people take up violence to bring lasting peace...but there is no lasting peace...only a violent path to a metastable compromise...
why don't people get happy by just pursuing happiness by earning their bread and watching their kids grow and cracking silly jokes every now and then?
 
it is difficult to live in a world full of hatred...
people take up violence to bring lasting peace...but there is no lasting peace...only a violent path to a metastable compromise...
why don't people get happy by just pursuing happiness by earning their bread and watching their kids grow and cracking silly jokes every now and then?

where you from mars :rofl:

jokes, wat u say is true but we are humans mate..hate comes more naturally to us
 
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