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I dont have any love for the Saudi government or fat geeks ruling there but the news item is wiered with less inputs and wrongly put phrases.

I also doubt if any department of Pakistani police is smart enough to find out the funds' supply line of TTP.
 
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Jana


The article was printed in "The News", this paper is very close to both Nawaz Sharif and his "backers" overseas - are you suggesting that the "Mirs" have abandoned their friends??

You also say you do not think Pakistani police can trace funds, that they are not "smart enough" -- what makes you say that?
 
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I dont have any love for the Saudi government or fat geeks ruling there but the news item is wiered with less inputs and wrongly put phrases.

I also doubt if any department of Pakistani police is smart enough to find out the funds' supply line of TTP.

yaa,its kind of weird and doesnt resonate feel good vibe about old believes at all.

Old believes??
I mean it shatters old believes like all those conspiracy theories of zaid hamid made in dark room about its the cia/mossad/RAW, socalled trio out to destroy pakistan who infact are behind TTP and its they who had been funding TTP all the while. :disagree:
 
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Jana


The article was printed in "The News", this paper is very close to both Nawaz Sharif and his "backers" overseas - are you suggesting that the "Mirs" have abandoned their friends??

You also say you do not think Pakistani police can trace funds, that they are not "smart enough" -- what makes you say that?

Muse the Saudis and Iranians have played dirty games for long to nurture hate mongers in Pakistan just to keep their houses safe from fire. There is no denying that Saudis may be funding these moroons.

But this news item makes no sense. Just look at the structure of this news, it seems that just to make it bit longer they put the para about Hakimullah Mehsud vowing to reveng killing of Baitullah.

( we in the print media usualy do so when we want to make any story out of blue based on one liner information)


Now coming to your point that whether the people have abondoned their friends or backers well Why not. Keeping in view the recent developments where Nawaz has been forced indeed by some oversease friends to keep quite over Musharraf issue :)

everything is possible on part of anyone and we all know atleast that Nawaz is a born idiot.

About the Police well frankly speaking Muse do you think they can trace such an information ?

On the other hand being from NWFP and linked with the field i tell you the funds and weapons came to TTP through so many channels from abroad as well withing that even the intellegence failed to trace it (and i am not saying just on the basis of media reports but from first hand information from those few people who although part of intellegence and forces but their hands are clean and they are playing no double game)

But at the end the good thing is that almost all of the TTP leadership is gone now :)
 
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Afghanistan closes key Shia route

Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:11:23 GMT

Afghan authorities closed the key route that leads from Kurram agency to Afghan Paktia province due to unknown reasons.
Afghanistan has closed a key route for Pakistani Shia populated Kurram tribal region, raising concerns of a 'dire humanitarian crisis' in the Taliban-dominated mountainous valley.

The residents of the Parachinar, upper and lower Kurram agency used to travel for provincial capital Peshawar through Afghan province Paktia and Kandahar since November 2007, when pro-Taliban, Wahhabi militants cut off the areas from the rest of the country, imposing a crippling blockade on the Shia communities in the region.

Dera Ismail Khan and Kurram agency have been witnessing countless incidents of massacres as the pro-Taliban militants have imposed a war against the Shia population that has left thousands of people dead in the past few years.

Some local sources say more than 2,000 Shia community members have been killed in the region since 2007.

A number of Shias maintain that certain rich Arab countries have bankrolled and armed Wahhabi terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda and the pro-Taliban elements, even going as far as providing them with heavy weaponry.

Afghanistan closes key Shia route
 
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About the Police well frankly speaking Muse do you think they can trace such an information ?

Yes, yes, I do think so, especially since they are now getting assistance they were not getting earlier - and if things right (in Pakistan?) you may see a much more technically capable police - a good number of capable people are getting very interesting training in Europe.

Don't get carried away Jana, friends are those who behave as friends when you need them to, Pakistan , Pakitan and Pakistan, First.
 
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Its important for pakistanis to see the Salafis in Saudi as they are(a bunch of tribal facists) and not as torch bearers of the faith. Misogyny and the sectarian terrorism as practiced by the Salafis has no place in Islam.

The salafi stooges in our backyard, and their saudi masters, would do well to repent and beg forgiveness of the pakistani nation.
 
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Yes, yes, I do think so, especially since they are now getting assistance they were not getting earlier - and if things right (in Pakistan?) you may see a much more technically capable police - a good number of capable people are getting very interesting training in Europe.

:) That would be great if happens.


Don't get carried away Jana, friends are those who behave as friends when you need them to, Pakistan , Pakitan and Pakistan, First.

And in which context you are saying this? i mean whom you addressing ?:undecided:
 
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DAWN News

On August 5 when a US drone fired a missile at a house in South Waziristan, my source in the Taliban-infested area informed me that TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud had been killed instantly.

The missile strike took out its prized target but also set off rumours — some that he had been killed and others, attributed mainly to the Taliban, that he had not been eliminated — until his successor was announced.

However, there were others who were worried about the Taliban phenomenon with regard to the growing differences among the jihadists. Who would replace Baitullah? What would be their future course of action? There were many contenders: Qari Hussain, Hakimullah, Maulana Waliur Rehman, Noor Saeed, Azmatullah and Raees Khan.

The choice was really hard for the Taliban. Tribal affinities and the Salafi factor were at the centre of post-Baitullah power politics in Waziristan, which prevented the 43-member Taliban shura from naming a new chief. The delay also showed that Baitullah had never nominated a successor.

The top three contenders Hakimullah, Qari Hussain and Azam Tariq belong to the Balolzai branch of the Mehsud tribe, whereas Maulana Waliur Rehman, Azmatullah and Noor Saeed come from the Manzai branch. Historically, the Manzai sub-tribe has been in the forefront of power politics in Mehsud territory and has provided both manpower and leadership to the Taliban.

The Manzai finally lost to the Balolzai when it came to the TTP succession. Hakimullah sidelined the rest and the Taliban shura was left with no option but to choose between him and Maulana Waliur Rehman. They crowned Hakimullah, while Maulana Waliur Rehman was made ameer of South Waziristan. Azam Tariq was nominated as spokesman.

Will it be possible for the TTP to sustain its mainstream leadership in Waziristan? Or will the Salafi school stake its claim? The influence of the militant Ashaat Tauheed wa Sunnah, JUI-F and the outlawed Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan is also a factor.

The Taliban have deep-rooted differences: Faqir Mohammad, TTP chief in Bajaur, had earlier announced that Hakimullah would be the new leader whereas NWFP MP Mufti Kifayatullah of the JUI-F told the media that Maulana Waliur Rehman had been nominated TTP chief.

The Taliban in Khyber Agency, Bajaur, Orakzai and Swat are influenced by the Salafi school of thought. In Orakzai Agency, where the Taliban have challenged Shia militants on their turf, the Lashkar-i-Jhangvi has swelled the ranks of the TTP giving it a sectarian overtone, which is why Azam Tariq, with clear affiliations to the sectarian outfit, has been appointed as TTP’s central spokesman. The Salafi movement has overshadowed the Taliban from Swat to Orakzai except for Waziristan where the JUI-F is still calling the shots.What is the picture that emerges?


Baitullah Mehsud, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir had, in March 2009, formed a 13-member council called Shura-i-Ittihadul Mujahideen. The shura received a death-blow on August 15 when 17 associates of Maulvi Nazir and Gul Bahadur were gunned down in the Mehsud-dominated Salae Roghae area of the Ladha sub-division. The Nazir group later demanded that the Baitullah group hand over eight men, including Uzbeks and Mehsuds, to it for their complicity. Thus the Shura-i-Ittihadul Mujahideen fell apart.

Room to breathe for the Hakimullah-led TTP has considerably lessened with the presence of the Abdullah group in the Mehsud area, Turkistan Bitani in the FR Tank area, Maulvi Nazir in the Wazir-dominated area and Hafiz Gul Bahadar in North Waziristan.

Another predicament for the TTP is a new government strategy. As the NWFP governor announced in June that a tribal jirga had failed to deliver, the political administration pressed tribal elders to form lashkars against the Taliban. The political administration with the help of intelligence agencies picked up tribesmen from as far off as Karachi using the collective responsibility clause of the FCR to tell them ‘either you are with us or against us’.

They were also told they could either financially support the raising of a lashkar or participate in one and that, in keeping with tribal custom, a third party would take responsibility for the ‘damage’. The government already has links with the Abdullah Mehsud group — comprising mainly the Shamenkhel tribe and aided by the Balolzai Mehsud — in this regard. An official, seeking anonymity, said that the groundwork for the lashkars had been laid and that the two main ones would start their onslaught after Eid — one mobilised in the vicinity of the border town of Makin which is a Baitullah stronghold and the other near Kotkai, both in South Waziristan.

Both are important. Kotkai is the gateway to South Waziristan from the eastern side. Makin is important as in its north is the Razmak fort with heavy military deployment. It seems that this time the lashkar will work as it did in the Wazir-dominated area of South Waziristan under the leadership of Maulvi Nazir to flush out Uzbeks in March 2007.
 
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Its important for pakistanis to see the Salafis in Saudi as they are(a bunch of tribal facists) and not as torch bearers of the faith. Misogyny and the sectarian terrorism as practiced by the Salafis has no place in Islam.

Swatter Indeed the rulers there are the most be-adab towards the tazeem of Prophet (PBUH) same is the way with Iranians.

They are no troch bearers of faith.

I am not much a religious person or an Alim type but you read the Hadis and if you read in details from different sources the forces of Dajjal will be suplimented by some rulers in Saudia and there is one hint that the ruler will have a white palace in the high mountains.

:) if you google or search the monarch/s in this country has the white palace and at the same mountain as hinted .
 
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I am not much a religious person or an Alim type but you read the Hadis and if you read in details from different sources the forces of Dajjal will be suplimented by some rulers in Saudia and there is one hint that the ruler will have a white palace in the high mountains.

if you google or search the monarch/s in this country has the white palace and at the same mountain as hinted .

Interesting - why would a not "religious person" want to persue hadith for Dajjal? Interesting.

It is a mistake to think that hadith may be a source "Faal".
 
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This is MESSAGE OF QURRAN for Takfiri Groups.

Surrah Al -RAAD 13, Ayat # 25.

(I intentionality not giving link or original text,because....)
 
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A Variety of Sources Feed Into Taliban’s War Chest

By ERIC SCHMITT

Published: October 18, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Taliban in Afghanistan are running a sophisticated financial network to pay for their insurgent operations, raising hundreds of millions of dollars from the illicit drug trade, kidnappings, extortion and foreign donations that American officials say they are struggling to cut off.


In Afghanistan, the Taliban have imposed an elaborate system to tax the cultivation, processing and shipment of opium, as well as other crops like wheat grown in the territory they control, American and Afghan officials say. In the Middle East, Taliban leaders have sent fund-raisers to Arab countries to keep the insurgency’s coffers brimming with cash.

Estimates of the Taliban’s annual revenue vary widely. Proceeds from the illicit drug trade alone range from $70 million to $400 million a year, according to Pentagon and United Nations officials. By diversifying their revenue stream beyond opium, the Taliban are frustrating American and NATO efforts to weaken the insurgency by cutting off its economic lifelines, the officials say.

Despite efforts by the United States and its allies in the last year to cripple the Taliban’s financing, using the military and intelligence, American officials acknowledge they barely made a dent.

“I don’t believe we can significantly alter their effectiveness by cutting off their money right now,” said Representative Adam Smith, a Washington State Democrat on the House Intelligence and Armed Services Committees who traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan last month. “I’m not saying we shouldn’t try. It’s just bigger and more complex than we can effectively stop.”

The Taliban’s ability to raise money complicates the Obama administration’s decision to deploy more United States troops to Afghanistan. It is unclear, for example, whether the deployment of 10,000 Marines over the summer to Helmand Province, the heart of the opium production, will have a sustaining impact on the insurgency’s cash flow. And American officials are debating whether cracking down on the drug trade will anger farmers dependent on it for their livelihood.

But even if the United States and its allies were able to stanch the money flow, it is not clear how much impact it would have. It does not cost much to train, equip and pay for the insurgency in impoverished Afghanistan — fighters typically earn $200 to $500 a month — and to bribe local Afghan security and government officials.

“Their operations are so inexpensive that they can be continued indefinitely even with locally generated resources such as small businesses and donations,” said Kenneth Katzman, a Middle East specialist at the Congressional Research Service and a former analyst of the region at the C.I.A.

American officials say that they have been surprised to learn in recent months that foreign donations, rather than opium, are the single largest source of cash for the Taliban.

“In the past there was a kind of a feeling that the money all came from drugs in Afghanistan,” Richard C. Holbrooke, the administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said in June. “That is simply not true.”

Supporting this view, in his Aug. 30 strategic assessment, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, voiced skepticism that clamping down on the opium trade would crimp the Taliban’s overall finances.

“Eliminating insurgent access to narco-profits — even if possible, and while disruptive — would not destroy their ability to operate so long as other funding sources remained intact,” General McChrystal said.

The C.I.A. recently estimated in a classified report that Taliban leaders and their associates had received $106 million in the past year from donors outside Afghanistan, a figure first reported last month by The Washington Post. Private citizens from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran and some Persian Gulf nations are the largest individual contributors, an American counterterrorism official said.

Top American intelligence officials and diplomats say there is no evidence so far that the governments of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates or other Persian Gulf states are providing direct aid to the Afghan insurgency. But American intelligence officials say they suspect that Pakistani intelligence operatives continue to give some financial aid to the Afghan Taliban, a practice the Pakistani government denies.

The United States Treasury Department and the United Nations have for years maintained financial blacklists of those suspected of being donors to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. But counterterrorism officials say donors have become savvier about disguising their contributions to avoid detection.

“The sanctions have worked to a certain extent but obviously not to the extent of being able to cut off all funds,” said Richard Barrett, a former British intelligence officer now monitoring Al Qaeda and the Taliban for the United Nations.

Still, drugs play an important role. Afghanistan produces more opium than any other country in the world, and the Taliban are widely believed to make money at virtually every stage of the trade.

“It extorts funds from those involved in the heroin trade by demanding ‘protection’ payments from poppy farmers, drug lab operators and the smugglers who transport the chemicals into, and the heroin out of, the country,” David S. Cohen, an assistant secretary at the Treasury Department responsible for combating terrorist financing, said in a speech in Washington last week.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in a report issued in August, said that Taliban commanders charged poppy farmers a 10 percent tax, and that Taliban fighters supplemented their pay by working in the poppy fields during harvest. The biggest source of drug money for the Taliban is regular payments made by drug traffickers to the Taliban leadership, based in the Pakistani border city of Quetta, according to the report.

Counterterrorism experts say the relationship of the insurgents to drug trafficking is shifting in an ominous direction. A United Nations report issued in August said that some opium-trafficking guerrillas had secretly stockpiled more than 10,000 tons of illegal opium — worth billions of dollars and enough to satisfy at least two years of world demand. The large stockpiles could bolster the insurgency’s war chest and further undercut the ability of NATO military operations to curb the flow of drug money to the Taliban.

A third major source of financing for the Taliban is criminal activity, including kidnappings and protection payments from legitimate businesses seeking to operate in Taliban-controlled territory, American authorities say.

The United States has created two new entities aimed at disrupting the trafficking networks and illicit financing. One group, the Afghan Threat Finance Cell, is located at Bagram Air Base, north of Kabul. The second group, the Illicit Finance Task Force based in Washington, also aims to identify and disrupt the financial networks supporting terrorists and narcotics traffickers in the region.

American officials say they are working closely with the Afghan government to dry up the Taliban financing, but as one senior American military officer in Afghanistan put it last week, “I won’t overstate the progress.”

Carlotta Gall contributed reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/world/asia/19taliban.html
 
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