Now down to the point, can you point out to me where I said that if Cameron says it, it must be right ? Please stop making things up for your own pleasure.
My point was you say two things.
1. Since many people believe it, it must be true.
2. Since Cameron said it, it must be true.
For point 1, here is your post (point 2 is below):
http://www.defence.pk/forums/1041876-post838.html
Of particular concern are the following parts:
desiman said:
Such big allegations are not made just like that and have some sense of reality behind it.
desiman said:
When so many people are raising fingers against you, there must be some reality behind it. Its time that Pakistan introspects and stop's denying the obvious. The world is not dumb.
You can't run away from this one by spinning it. Your logic is so utterly simplistic, it's almost laughable.
The raising fingers part you're talking about is way to overestimated since anti-Pakistan perception regarding Taliban is way less than indians suggest. Moreover, go back to Iraq war and see the finger raising there.
Yes what Cameron said is RIGHT and I stand by that. As India has said again and again, Pakistan is the epicentre of terrorism and Cameron only justified that point.
Naa, don't see how it justifies it. It's all talk, no evidence.
The bolded part just proved what I said about you above in my point 2. Since Cameron, said it, it must be true.
And since Cameron said that Iran has nukes, that must be true as well. Right?
The problem with you guys is that when someone raises their finger at you, rather than analysing why he is doing that you get defensive and start chasing the guy.
When there is no proof, what is there to look at?
What are we suppose to analyze? Fantastic conspiracy theories originating from India and parts of the west? Based on no allegations? We're suppose to analyze that? Because that's the only left to analyze since there is no proof to those conspiracy theories.
You come here and question my educational background but you yourself cannot prove why Cameron is wrong.
YOU and/or Cameron have to prove that Cameron is right. I don't have to prove that Cameron is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.
All I have seen on this forum are trolls referencing Cameron’s past or his ancestors and calling him an “Indian Agent” but not one has given a good point.
Enough good points have been given above. But you seem to be ignoring that going back in circles.
The problem that Pakistan has always suffered with is self-denial and justifying points using an emotional bias.
Do learn the meaning of denial before using the word. A very important component of denial is overwhelming evidence - which anything but exists right now.
You still don’t except the clear links between Pakistani establishments and terrorist outfits and you justify terrorism in Kashmir using India as an excuse,
What clear links? Again, where is the proof? I can say that you don't accept links between Indian establishment and terrorist outfits. It doesn't have much to it, just like what you're saying. I should accept it based on what?
The most convenient argument that you can come up with is a counter argument about the LTTE and the Mukti Bahani lol please grow up and learn how to argue, you conveniently change topic’s and you say that I don’t know what im talking about lol.
Perhaps YOU need to learn to argue because the reference to LTTE and Mukhti Bahini was very much on topic. I was using those two groups to apply your logic on you. You conveniently dodged that since it would look very bad for you to apply your logic on yourself and see how messed up it is.
The facts are that the CIA/ISI are the primary’s when it comes to the creation of the Taliban and that Pakistan has always used terror as a state policy and the world is only realizing that now.
Naa, I don't see how the world is realizing it. World is smarter than what the media and the state says. Perhaps it's parts of the world, but it's not the way you're suggesting. And besides,
not too long ago the world was realizing that Iraq had WMDs. That's the power of propaganda and information warfare.
It so convenient to write everything off as Indian conspiracy against Pakistan but its better for you if you start introspecting.
Don't see where Indian conspiracy comes in or where I mentioned it.
As far as introspecting goes, I gave you something to get you going on YOUR introspection - clearly which you ignored. Here it is again:
SMC said:
US gives us $10 billion aid, 7.5B more to come, military assistance and aid, sells us F-16s, etc. If we were supposedly supporting Taliban (there's no proof for that but let's just assume it to be true), do you seriously think they'd give us aid? Not to mention, our economy was doing pretty good at the time and we didn't actually need the aid.
I am not just talking about democrats. We are alleged to have supported Taliban when republicans were in power. Now we all know their policy as far as any anti-American aggression/anti-american support goes. Instead of attacking us, or for that matter speaking out against is, they gave us 10B aid, and were ready to sell us 76 F-16s.
Something is clearly not right as far as these allegations go. But I guess some prefer keeping their head buried in sand.
Only when the notion of the good/bad terrorist ends in Pakistan is when you will see any change in your society, until you keep justifying terrorism in India using Kashmir as an excuse change in Pakistan is next to impossible.
Don't show me this moral high-ground. Clearly you guys considered Mukhti Bahini good terrorist at once. Same with LTTE. Same can be applied to you. And no, this is not off-topic, I am merely applying your logic to you. But you will ignore that and continuing showing a moral high-ground.