"Taliban desperate for direct flights to India; We want Kandahar-Delhi services"

[Riz]

Thanks but no thanks

So your plan of building dam on kabul river and making pak dry is canceled?

 

[Menace2Society]

No you would have likely been worshipping stones today had those historical events never happened. Now you can cry all you want if you doubt islam as a true relgion thats a different case but when you say u didn't get to choose.. you don't represent the people of that time.... haaha....you idiot.. you only represent yourself and your countrymen today.you are muslim not because of that invasion but because you studied it and adopted or your parents did it for you... millions dont get that opportunity to be so well learnt to decide for themselves and a historic events decides for them.
As for your disgust for invasions..your very existence...a miniscule component of your dna may have been a result coming into affect for something bad that happened thousands of years ago.. is that something in your control..No you jerk.. so cherish the good stuff like a system of moral values you got in heritage and history and dont think too deep unless you want to go insane.

You are a mentally disturbed man.. I am not talking about arabs or turks of today but the empires of past..and I didn't even call out afghans.. Afghan got converted around Same time as people of sindh baluchistan and the five river region.Actually many afghans practiced Buddhism and vedic religions before Islam .kabul suburbs today have the ruins of the temples of those times. No afghan Cares of that past infact most don't even know about it.

Black people were enslaved by Christian colonists, they retained their faith and recognized their suffering. That is normality. How you perceive these events is the signs of an abused dog, stockholm syndrome. I would love to see how Arabs would treat their history if Pakistani men had raped their women.

 

[ThunderCat]

Most muhajirs belong to the religious class. Most of the “butt-hurt elite liberal class” lives in pockets of Punjab and Sindh. Muhajjirs are probably the most patriotic group in Pakistan.

Forgot to mention but East Punjabi migrants also count as Muhajirs. And yeah even they can be Indian lovers.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Black people were enslaved by Christian colonists, they retained their faith and recognized their suffering. That is normality. How you perceive these events is the signs of an abused dog, stockholm syndrome. I would love to see how Arabs would

Who told you Black people retained their faith? Most of them are Christians today..and they are by their own choice...living with missionaries growing up among them..

The late ummayads and even turkics transferred rule to slaves.the local slaves became kings.
U dumba$$ you bring up rape again and again.. Arabs have been invaded in past by many other civilizations... they don't care about it ...for example an old Ethiopian kingdom aksum ruled the southern Arabia for many years.... do you think Saudis or Yemeni give a shit about it today??

 

[Menace2Society]

Who told you Black people retained their faith? Most of them are Christians today..and they are by their own choice...living with missionaries growing up among them..

Yes, they retained the faith they converted to. Recognizing the evils of the past and faith are independent of each other. That was the point I was making. They are not whitewashing history just because it resulted in them becoming Christian.

 

[Finer]

That goes on to show Afghanistan is lost cause and India enjoys the fact that afghans are desperately licking the spits of Indians.

Pakistan is last remaining castle of Islam after Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Afghanistan is goner, Allahu Alim.

 

[ThunderCat]

No you would have likely been worshipping stones today had those historical events never happened. Now you can cry all you want if you doubt islam as a true relgion thats a different case but when you say u didn't get to choose.. you don't represent the people of that time.... haaha....you idiot.. you only represent yourself and your countrymen today.you are muslim not just because of that invasion but because you studied it and adopted or your parents did it for you... millions dont get that opportunity to be so well learnt to decide for themselves and a historic events decides for them.
As for your disgust for invasions..your very existence...a miniscule component of your dna may have been a result coming into affect for something bad that happened thousands of years ago.. is that something in your control..No you jerk.. so cherish the good stuff like a system of moral values you got in heritage and history and dont think too deep unless you want to go insane.

You are a mentally disturbed man.. I am not talking about arabs or turks of today but the empires of past..and I didn't even call out afghans.. Afghan got converted around Same time as people of sindh baluchistan and the five river region.Actually many afghans practiced Buddhism and vedic religions before Islam .kabul suburbs today have the ruins of the temples of those times. No afghan Cares of that past infact most don't even know about it.

A few things though. Vedic Aryans were not like modern Brahmans, Shivites etc. They buried their dead as per the archeological evidence.

The Vedic Aryans were fairly civilized people, including their technological and architectural progress. They were also beef eaters or so it is claimed.

Secondly most pre-Islamic paganism has been revived amongst most "muslims" by various Hadiths weather worshiping black buildings in the Middle East or "sacrificing" animals.

So nothing much has changed in that sense. But Mahmoud Ghaznavi arrived centuries before there was any such country as Afghanistan.

Both good and bad has come from conquest of our lands. Nothing is usually simply good or bad. The world is rarely a simple place.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

those kingdoms treated Kabul as part of their regular kingdoms, you dont defend against your own areas of control

My contention is actually that Afghanistan, or at least the Pashtun areas, would have been inside that wall. I don't buy the racial theories that Pashtuns are some outside invaders or naturally violent, as it is often propounded here. They are probably descendants of local Rajputs and other groups, like any other. The wall would have been for defence from Central Asian invasions, the real source of violence and violent ideologies that wrecked further havoc. Another lower wall would be somewhere inside Balochistan or Sindh.

Of course as a Pakistani nationalist you might not accept India as a single nation at that time. I disagree, and would particularly point towards the book "India: a Sacred Geography" for evidence against it. This conception might include the Hun-Shahi areas.

The wall also has serious opposition from those who argue that invasions were good. What kind of people, what kind of sons-of-soil would declare invasions of their to be good? We can see the results of that here.

 

[LakeHawk180]

I do think flights should resume.

Afghans are interested in KPK and Balochistan.

India does not really figure into their calculations. When it did, it used to be from the “old guard” — and usually with pakistanis twisting their arms.

 

[NagaBaba]

"..also expressed optimism about resuming flights from Kandahar to Delhi and China"

fair, I say we should resume regular flights and move fwd diplomatically with them. India is and has long been a 'medical tourism' destination for them, there is also a significant Afghan refugee population here. The only glitch is that there should ideally be some sort of vetting/background check mechanism in place, but that is impossible to implement.

 

[LakeHawk180]

"..also expressed optimism about resuming flights from Kandahar to Delhi and China"

fair, I say we should resume regular flights and move fwd diplomatically with them. India is and has long been a 'medical tourism' destination for them, there is also a significant Afghan refugee population here. The only glitch is that there should ideally be some sort of vetting/background check mechanism in place, but that is impossible to implement.

We have mechanisms to screen and monitor visiting pakistanis. Nowadays we just don’t let as many of them come in.

But a version of the same could be used in the case of afghanistan. They are going to need to work with India on most developmental issues.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Flights should get resume.. common people of Afghanistan should not suffer due to Taliban government.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Yes, they retained the faith they converted to. Recognizing the evils of the past and faith are independent of each other. That was the point I was making. They are not whitewashing history just because it resulted in them becoming Christian.

Ya recognizing the evils but still living with whites. Not returning to Africa. Using the black/white analogy to how islam spread is rather nonsensical.... if you had studied the background of invasions of arabs and turks.. you wouldnt have made the bongi....Also what you are calling evil was the defacto practice for thousands of years....it was cheap labor to build empires...today it has only changed forms.

 

[NagaBaba]

We have mechanisms to screen and monitor visiting pakistanis. Nowadays we just don’t let as many of them come in.

But a version of the same could be used in the case of afghanistan. They are going to need to work with India on most developmental issues.

Pk medical tourists are not at 'flight risk', the agencies keep a tab on them.

be impossible to do if we let in tens of thousands of people from A-stan.. the ISI is also all over there now so that may be an avenue for them to sneak in here too..

too late in the day anyway, jo damage honi thi woh probably ho chuki hai

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Most Pakistanis who promote India & Bangladesh as examples of "progress" are butt-hurt elite class neo-liberal Muhajirs and their Sindhi wannabes.

Add in liberal Punjabis there too.

I'm no advocate of the Pakistani military but the fact is India & Bangladesh are two of the world's poorest and undeveloped countries.

Well bro, the writing is on the wall. India and Bangladesh have already overtaken us in terms of economic growth.

Muhajirs & Sindhis hate Pakistan because it has become a Punjabi centric state, thanks to the military, but there's no sense in promoting India & Bangladesh for all the wrong reasons.

Sindhis are more ethno centric than Muhajirs. Muhajir isn't even an ethnicity to begin with. No other party, besides PPP, plays Sindhudesh card or plays on ethnic sentiments more than PPP does. PPP is a Sindhi nationalist party.

Muhajir youth is overwhelmingly pro PTI. The two other youth groups that are pro PTI are Punjabis and Pashtuns.

What you are describing is hard to do now considering "Indian progress" is in the gutter due to Modi. One can point to their economic indicators though.

Most muhajirs belong to the religious class. Most of the “butt-hurt elite liberal class” lives in pockets of Punjab and Sindh. Muhajjirs are probably the most patriotic group in Pakistan.

Bulk of Urdu speakers and Muhajirs are religious. The upper class aren't religious, this trend isn't solely constricted to Muhajir upper class though.

Landlords from Sindh have more sway in what happens in GHQ and Islamabad.