Taliban claim militants killed 15 US-led troops

[SparklingCrescent]

If you tell me about it, i'll cry. But shoving it in my face isn't helping.

iight it wasnt taht sick.. u a man and show sum guts...

 

[S-2]

Reads as though she's got an agenda. Bring it on and we'll see what she actually knows. I look forward to the trial as we're talking about an area that has seen chemical warfare between Iran and Iraq, oil wells destroyed, and some of the world's worst ecological destruction owing to man-made carbon-based pollutants, i.e. oil and natural gas burnoff.

That's even assuming that cancer and defective birth rates are as claimed.

Then there's the fascinating claim of "depleted-uranium bombs". What the hell are those? I know only of DU-based APFSDS tank ammunition. Not bombs. She reads as very ill-informed but since when has the facts been a paramount concern in that area?

Thanks.

 

[Thomas]

Reads as though she's got an agenda. Bring it on and we'll see what she actually knows. I look forward to the trial as we're talking about an area that has seen chemical warfare between Iran and Iraq, oil wells destroyed, and some of the world's worst ecological destruction owing to man-made carbon-based pollutants, i.e. oil and natural gas burnoff.

That's even assuming that cancer and defective birth rates are as claimed.

Then there's the fascinating claim of "depleted-uranium bombs". What the hell are those? I know only of DU-based APFSDS tank ammunition. Not bombs. She reads as very ill-informed but since when has the facts been a paramount concern in that area?

Thanks.

Some blogs seem to think that the GBU 28 contains depleted uranium. Of course they are all the anti-U.S. websites.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3748

 

[S-2]

"Some blogs seem to think that the GBU 28 contains depleted uranium."

It's a surplus 8" cannon barrel.

I think that there's enough industrial-related pollution in Iraq to contaminate most of mankind. Care to drink the water? Care to tell me that contaminants aren't dumped daily in the Tigris and Euphrates all the way up into Turkey? Where does all that exit? In the south of Iraq?

It would seem so.

We'll see what sinks or floats in this story, I'm sure.

Thanks.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

If it makes you more comfortable to think we invaded Afghanistan ove some damn pipeline, so be it but you'll be far from the truth. Most whom benefit from CAR energy are countries other than America.

No i dont think that US invaded solly for the pipeline buisness , but it was one of the objectives tied to the Afghan Invasion . !
Yup i agree with the fact that other countries like Russia and China are more active in this CAR reagion and they defend it ferociously ...!

 

[Vassnti]

According to the reports, during the first year of the US and British invasion of Iraq, both countries had repeatedly used bombs containing depleted uranium.

According to Iraqi military experts, the US and Britain bombed the country with nearly 2,000 tonnes of depleted uranium bombs during the early years of the Iraq war.

Atomic radiation has increased the number of babies born with defects in the southern provinces of Iraq.

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The highest risk from DU contamination is an increase in childhood lukemia not birth defects.

The most likley cause of any increase in birth defects in Iraq would be poor nutrition, neural tube defects increase directly proportional to the folate intake of the mother, in conflict situations and where sadam was deliberatley starving populations that supported the US in the first gulf war a rise in birth defects would be expected.

 

[ejaz007]

Taliban allow US troops very little advancement in Marjah

MARJAH: Sniper teams attacked US Marines and Afghan troops across the Taliban haven of Marjah, as several gunbattles erupted on Monday, the third day of a major offensive to seize the extremists’ southern heartland.

Multiple firefights broke out in different neighbourhoods as US and Afghan forces worked to clear out pockets of Taliban and push slowly beyond parts of the town that they have gained control of. With gunfire coming from several directions all day long, troops managed to advance only 500 metres deeper as they fought off small squads of Taliban snipers.

“There’s still a good bit of the land still to be cleared,” said Capt Abraham Sipe, a Marine spokesman. “We’re moving at a very deliberative pace,” he added.

However, the mission faced a setback on Sunday when two US rockets slammed into a home outside Marjah, killing 12 civilians.

Six children were among the dead from the rocket strike, a NATO military official confirmed Monday, speaking on condition of anonymity. Separately, 12 Taliban fighters were killed overnight in the NATO offensive against the Taliban in Marjah, a government official said.

“There were bombardments in parts of Marjah and as a result 12 Taliban have been killed,” Dawud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the provincial governor of Helmand, told reporters.

The United States’ top military officer on Sunday said the assault on the Taliban stronghold of Marjah in Afghanistan’s Helmand province had got “off to a good start”.

“It’s actually very difficult to predict (the end),” Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters during a visit to Israel. “We have from a planning standpoint talked about a few weeks, but I don’t know that.” agencies

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[S-2]

Ejaz, we have a thread on Operation Moshtarak. This post would be more appropriate there, wouldn't you agree?

Thanks.

 

[fallstuff]

"the article I send you to is to tell you that she believes that the warlord appointed by the US,is still no different."

You miss MY point. The woman is a member of a parliament of an Afghanistan in which she couldn't have had ANY voice previously. There was no parliament and women had NO voice. Afghanistan's politics are highly imperfect. No kidding. So too Pakistan's.

But it starts with imperfect politics. Education and continuously scheduled elections are the key to transformation and it won't be radical nor overnight any more than it shall in Pakistan. It will be evolutionary change.

Absent such, however, you have no alternative as a citizen of either but to be ruled by the power of the gun. Plain and simple. Those are your alternatives. In Afghanistan democracy will be supported or it shall be a theocratic autocracy that is medieval. In point of fact, the largest warlords in Afghanistan are the taliban. For Pakistan, democracy or a return to another military junta.

Democracy offers the hope of change consistent with the desires of the populace. Neither of the other two are paths forward. The evidence of such is before you with respect to both already.

Thanks.

You are factually wrong. You need to go back to the 60's-80's.


" According to Professor Val Moghaddam, director of Women's Studies at Illinois State University, "human rights reports have had to concede that women had higher status and more opportunities under the reformist, left-wing government. For example, one says ‘Under the Communist regime of the 1980s, a growing number of women, particularly in urban areas, worked outside the home in nontraditional roles. This trend was reversed when the PDPA was ousted in 1992, and an Islamic government was installed.' Indeed, in 1985, women accounted for 65% of the 7,000 students at Kabul University, and the government sponsored literacy classes for the 90% of Afghan women who were illiterate." According to the Los Angeles Times, "women in Afghan cities probably enjoyed their greatest freedom during the Soviet-backed regime that ruled in Kabul from 1979 to 1992."

I met several pro-PDPA Afghan women when I was in Eastern Europe in the mid-1980s. These women, who were in Eastern Europe studying to be engineers and doctors, spoke movingly to me about the many positive changes the PDPA had made for Afghan women. All of them wanted to learn as much as they could and then go back to their horribly backward country and try to help lift it up. It is painful to think of those young women now and realize that the ones who aren't already dead are probably shivering in fear under a veil somewhere in Kabul, a Taliban soldier patrolling the street nearby, ready to suppress any attempt by them to live a normal life.

When Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev pulled Soviet troops out in early 1989, it was widely predicted in the Western press that the Afghan regime would collapse within months. It didn't happen. At key battles like the bloody siege of Jalalabad, Afghan Army men as well as women in volunteer militias fought side by side and defeated the Mujahedin."

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Khadija Ahrari along with Dr. Anahita Ratebzad, Roqia Abubakr and Masuma Esmati Wardak were the first four women elected to the Afghan Parliament (Wolesi Jirga) in 1965 following the Afghan Constitution of 1964 which granted women the right to vote."

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[Parashuram1]

Parashuram1,

Just incase you forgot, let me remind what happened in 80s, 90s. US was having affairs with these very same people they are killing now. US was in bed with them in 80s & 90s, read a bit of history. It was CIA who funded and used these groups for their own interest.

Thanks for the reminder friend, but my memory is quite sharp about such incidents. I never claimed that USA is without guilt. Infact, even NATO and non-NATO European countries express their irritation and object to quite a lot of American proposals or activities.

But if that was the case of you desiring higher moral high ground, then why didn't your generals object to getting involved in the conflict? Your government readily assisted in training the 'Mujahideen' as you call it. Why did your Government not tell CIA to keep the Soviet conflict "between USA and Soviet Union in Afghanistan" rather than involving your military into the conflict? Because once you did that, you have the same blood on your hands that the Americans have and are if not worse, at least equal to them and this participation is what liquidates your claim for a higher moral ground.

There is a reason why so many people are against US actions. They deserve each & every bit of criticism they get. You shouldn't be expecting flowers in return when you throw stones at others.

Americans are the most criticized government in the entire world. If you are referring to Iranian sanctions, I would say that it is worrisome because of the tone they use of wiping out a sovereign country Israel, full of innocent people who have nothing to do with the doings of their government. The Western world is not against Iran as a country or against her people. Rather, it is against a religious fundamentalist extremist government that is a state sponsor of terrorism and even oppresses her own citizenship. Religious fundamentalism at such a high level that too with the leverage of nuclear bombs and with no knowledge about its after-effects is a very dangerous thing. While Iranian government claims they want to use nuclear technology for electricity, their rhetorics of "wiping out Israel" don't really show any clear intentions.

Now please don't start the "Israel is terrorist nation and is oppressing innocent Muslims" speech again as many Pakistani members jump into. Israel has some policies definitely that deserve criticism from the same angle as Americans. But Palestinians haven't been angels either because of their targeting of unknowing and unaware Israeli citizens who have done nothing to them in numerous terrorist activities over decades.

If the Palestinians are angry, why not settle the matter with the government of Israel rather than target non-participating civilians? Isn't it their government according to you all, the culprit? This means the victims here have as much blood on their hands as much as the perpetrators.

Apart from that, Israeli-Palestine is a bi-lateral territorial issue that has been blown out of proportion by giving it the sensitive and dangerous religious angle. A territorial issue shouldn't really bother you as a Pakistani unless you want to make them your enemies by taking a religious police image. That view won't be supported by anyone since its your own taking of enmity with another country on self-assumed 'religious responsibility'.

 

[S-2]

"You are factually wrong. You need to go back to the 60's-80's."

I'm sorry but you should read my comment again carefully-

"The woman is a member of a parliament of an Afghanistan in which she couldn't have had ANY voice previously. There was no parliament and women had NO voice."

Ms. Malalai Joya was born in April 1978. Ms. Joya would be 10 years old when the Soviets left and 14 years old when Najibullah stepped down from power in April of 1992. Rather young to be representing any element of Afghan polity I'd think. I know enough about Afghan politics to understand the progressive socialist politics of the Soviet and pre-Soviet eras. I'm aware that mini-skirts were even seen on the streets of Kabul from time to time.

"I met several pro-PDPA Afghan women when I was in Eastern Europe in the mid-1980s."

I met one of those women, an assistant to Afghanistan's United Nations ambassador, in the spring of 1974 a few months after Mohammad Daoud Khan had taken power from his cousin King Zahir Shah. I'm very aware of Afghanistan's flirtations with a progressive path.

"It is painful to think of those young women now and realize that the ones who aren't already dead are probably shivering in fear under a veil somewhere in Kabul, a Taliban soldier patrolling the street nearby, ready to suppress any attempt by them to live a normal life."

I don't think the taliban are openly patrolling too many streets of Kabul these days. Perhaps a back alley or two. Still if Karzai has his way, women won't be enjoying many of the privileges associated with those halycon days of the increasingly distant past-

Afghanistan's Government Seeks More Controls Over Elections-WAPO Feb. 15, 2010

Still, at least Ms. Joya might keep her seat in parliament. Hope that clarifies matters.

Thanks.