Taliban Bhutto: Unsanction Taliban & Help Them Build a Professional Military

BilaLOL says we need to help them build a military capable of taking on terrorist threats. He also said to unsanction them.

Yet more proof, that contrary to the faujeets, nakami league cultists & other general morons here who blamed Pak's pro-IEA policy on iMrAn nIAzI, it's actually state policy. So no, your wet dreams of your army going in & teaching them a lesson will remain wet dreams.

Best you delusional twats realize that not even your establishment thinks it's worth stirring a hornet's nest. Only way forward is through continuous engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627244032815517697

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627244057821958144

 

[Erieye]

Thinking out loud, is it possible to simply annex the areas on the border and establish a buffer so that they can’t affect on the other side of the border? Why can’t we enforce the border as it is?

Due to difficult terrain and simply how long the border is, it's not flat land or plains how the Indian border is, so it is difficult to monitor it effectively.

Also annexing border areas is not a solution because there will be an insurgency in the newly annexed areas and make us look like undeniable aggressors internationally and internally.

Building a buffer should be considered but again the terrain issue and for a buffer to be valid youd have to turn the area into a no man's land.

here is an interesting video

 

[Ssan]

Due to difficult terrain and simply how long the border is, it's not flat land or plains how the Indian border is, so it is difficult to monitor it effectively.

Also annexing border areas is not a solution because there will be an insurgency in the newly annexed areas and make us look like undeniable aggressors internationally and internally.

Building a buffer should be considered but again the terrain issue and for a buffer to be valid youd have to turn the area into a no man's land.

here is an interesting video

The video is really incredible.

I have to say, maybe we’ve got this wrong? Maybe instead of insisting that Afghanistan accept the Durand line, we tell them, okay if you don’t accept the Durand line, then we claim all the territory that gives us a land bridge without them to Uzbekistan. Then we go and occupy those areas, and insist that if they want to go back to Durand line, they have to give us the land bridge?

Can we really not occupy a piece of Afghanistan?

 

[Pak_Sher]

BilaLOL says we need to help them build a military capable of taking on terrorist threats. He also said to unsanction them.

Yet more proof, that contrary to the faujeets, nakami league cultists & other general morons here who blamed Pak's pro-IEA policy on iMrAn nIAzI, it's actually state policy. So no, your wet dreams of your army going in & teaching them a lesson will remain wet dreams.

Best you delusional twats realize that not even your establishment thinks it's worth stirring a hornet's nest. Only way forward is through continuous engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627244032815517697

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627244057821958144

Do not help the Talibs with military training. They are not trustworthy.

 

[Menace2Society]

The video is really incredible.

I have to say, maybe we’ve got this wrong? Maybe instead of insisting that Afghanistan accept the Durand line, we tell them, okay if you don’t accept the Durand line, then we claim all the territory that gives us a land bridge without them to Uzbekistan. Then we go and occupy those areas, and insist that if they want to go back to Durand line, they have to give us the land bridge?

Can we really not occupy a piece of Afghanistan?

Their insurance is Afghan refugees. Pakistan needs to repatriate the refugees and find the Afghans pretending to be Pakistanis and return them across the border first. One of the many blunders of the ruling elite is integrating with afghan society. Didn't they think moderate and progressive Pakistanis would clash with ultra conservative afghan tribals? Pakistan needs to make a case they can't afford to host them anymore and Afghanistan is not at war anymore so goodbye.

 

[Erieye]

The video is really incredible.

I have to say, maybe we’ve got this wrong? Maybe instead of insisting that Afghanistan accept the Durand line, we tell them, okay if you don’t accept the Durand line, then we claim all the territory that gives us a land bridge without them to Uzbekistan. Then we go and occupy those areas, and insist that if they want to go back to Durand line, they have to give us the land bridge?

Can we really not occupy a piece of Afghanistan?

I will say this in a blunt way but if you want to occupy any area you'd have to kill any locals lmao otherwise you will simply deal with an ongoing insurgency. Let me remind you America just left from there after facing 20 years of insurgency.

forceful occupation should only be spoken about if you are willing to commit acts of genocide...

on the top of annexation... wakhan corridor would work better, but it's actually logically easier if tajikistan annexes it which automatically connects us with them

 

[Menace2Society]

I will say this in a blunt way but if you want to occupy any area you'd have to kill any locals lmao otherwise you will simply deal with an ongoing insurgency. Let me remind you America just left from there after facing 20 years of insurgency.

forceful occupation should only be spoken about if you are willing to commit acts of genocide...

on the top of annexation... wakhan corridor would work better, but it's actually logically easier if tajikistan annexes it which automatically connects us with them

I like @Ssan idea of pressurizing them in this way. Getting them to agree to durand line as a hard border and dealing with their TTP assets would be a win at the moment.

When Afghanistan falls back into civil war and it eventually will, great time to take wakhan corridor. Will take a few sorties to subdue them and choke their supply lines.

 

[Zarvan]

Not a very bad idea but until Afghan Taliban hands over TTP leadership stop all aid to and seal the border and use intelligence network to strike inside Afghanistan through drones.

 

[Ssan]

I will say this in a blunt way but if you want to occupy any area you'd have to kill any locals lmao otherwise you will simply deal with an ongoing insurgency. Let me remind you America just left from there after facing 20 years of insurgency.

forceful occupation should only be spoken about if you are willing to commit acts of genocide...

on the top of annexation... wakhan corridor would work better, but it's actually logically easier if tajikistan annexes it which automatically connects us with them

Okay yeah what if we occupy a bit of the Waltham corridor and let Tajiks occup another bit and a little slice extra which e use as leverage in negotiations to force them to accept the official border minus Wakhan

Can we annex slices of land where the population is small, like Wakhan presumably?

 

[Erieye]

Okay yeah what if we occupy a bit of the Waltham corridor and let Tajiks occup another bit and a little slice extra which e use as leverage in negotiations to force them to accept the official border minus Wakhan

Can we annex slices of land where the population is small, like Wakhan presumably?

Annexing regions invites international attention, and also you need full internal support. How do you know Pashtuns wont complain? Or how do you know everyone wont complain about the militarys action?

Even complete sealing of the border is impossibly for long due to pashtuns on our side beginning to complain.

Honestly i think only proper solution to put this issue into the past is nuke border regions and anihilate any sign of life. then sleep peacefully...

 

[Goritoes]

100 Nukes for Afghanistan, 5 for FATA and world will have peace for next 100 years.

 

[Ssan]

Annexing regions invites international attention, and also you need full internal support. How do you know Pashtuns wont complain? Or how do you know everyone wont complain about the militarys action?

I think we should insist that we want the Durand line accepted and that if they don’t accept it, we will claim buffer areas to enforce border security. Then go and occupy said areas. And insist we will keep Wakhan corridor for connectivity.

Even complete sealing of the border is impossibly for long due to pashtuns on our side beginning to complain.

Honestly i think only proper solution to put this issue into the past is nuke border regions and anihilate any sign of life. then sleep peacefully...

Lol

I mean to be fair, if the Pashtuns on our side were doing well and identified as being Pakistani first, the soft power would be enough to ensure peace.

 

[FuturePAF]

I like @Ssan idea of pressurizing them in this way. Getting them to agree to durand line as a hard border and dealing with their TTP assets would be a win at the moment.

When Afghanistan falls back into civil war and it eventually will, great time to take wakhan corridor. Will take a few sorties to subdue them and choke their supply lines.

De facto recognition is the best we can hope for at this stage, and not de jure recognition.

The former tribal agencies were suppose to be the buffer space between the former NWFP and Afghanistan. So there is no need to annex more land and bog down the two countries in border clashes.

We just need to build a wall along the border, probably could be done fast and “relatively” cheaply (with shipping containers) for about a $1 Billion if the whole border was built up. Probably should also be done along the Iranian border to stem the tide of Baluchi groups while we’re at it vis a vi cross border antics of these groups.

IMHO, there is no real need to take the Wakhan corridor. If we want to get to Central Asia without having to deal with the Afghans we might as well go through China. That’s why we have the Karakoram Highway. In the mean time, there is no harm building up the road network to Chitral (a part of KPK and not Gilgit Baltistan) and looking for a border crossing through the Wakhan corridor to Tajikistan, just in case civil war picks up again. No one knows what the future may hold.

Annexing regions invites international attention, and also you need full internal support. How do you know Pashtuns wont complain? Or how do you know everyone wont complain about the militarys action?

Even complete sealing of the border is impossibly for long due to pashtuns on our side beginning to complain.

Honestly i think only proper solution to put this issue into the past is nuke border regions and anihilate any sign of life. then sleep peacefully...

We don’t need to seal the border and should even if we could as it would antagonize the people wanting to cross, but only allow crossing at official crossings and through proper vetting.

 

[EternalMortal]

As I have said in other threads, Pak has to play the long game. My rant was mainly to make it clear that this nonsense of blaming PTI for “pro”-IEA policies of 2021 muddles the fact that the estb ALSO was & is in agreement with them. So stop playing politics.

The reality is that an Afg gov that is demonstrably pro-Pak is almost completely impossible for now. However, the reality is that state believes IEA ruled Afg is a much better prospect for the following reasons:

1) TTP insurgency was supported by the ethnonats as well. Nothing has changed in this regard.

2) We have more leverage on IEA than the republic. IEA depends on us at the end of the day. The republic didn’t. For better or worse, no one other than us will present their case.

3) ”Islamic” Taliban is better than republic b/c they can’t use ethnic narrative to separate KPK from Pak. Even TTP is, on the surface at least, not a separatist org.

4) Eventually Afg will become more moderate. Might not be like Saudi but it’s almost certain they will. With that, support for a supposedly religious insurgency will also die out. All Pak has to do is contain it & let its flame burn out.

5) Vast majority of pro-IEA Pakistanis only supported them b/c of fight against US. They wont be so kind once the guns are turned on them. Pro-IEA zeal will also naturally decrease since there’s no demonstrable enemy like the US. also, they’ll observe IEA struggle in reconciling modern realities with their version of Sharia & just general governance.


Pakistan has the following goals for Afg:

1) Peace & Stability
2) Recognition of Border
3) Prevent Afg soil to be used against it & others

Pakistan has multiple ways to accomplish this

1) Economic
Make Afg economy depend on well being of ours. Allow them to export (low or no tariffs) to us even if it means competition for our rent seekers. For our part, sell them the industrial goods or raw materials they need Needless to say, sort out the border visa & clearance issues. Bad behaviour results in closing the border and/or temp increase in tariffs.
Build a rail line and/or pipeline from/to Central Asia & allow them to collect any transit fees.
Get the great powers to invest in Afg (mining seems the best bet for now)
Encourage tourism b/w the countries

Unfortunately, building economic ties may help keep them in check but it won’t reduce hostility.

2) Military
Train their officers. Obtain their loyalty to us if possible. Same way Americans do it.
Give their soldiers CT training.
Sell CT equipment. Have monitoring teams to ensure TTP doesn’t obtain them.
Offer joint mil & intel Ops against ISKP in return for help against TTP. Get them to target pro-ISKP factions of TTP to create mistrust b/w the 2.

3) Media
In reality, THIS should have been Pakistan’s main focus. Fund pro-Pak journalists & org. Create documentaries, books, etc which include Pak version of events & promote them in Afg.

4) Form something similar to EU or SCO with Afg plus other Muslim countries.
This way they will be forced by treaties to help fight TTP. Furthermore, the presence of non-Afghans will suppress Afghan ethnonats & generally reduce Afghan influence since Pak is almost certainly going to be the core of the alliance.

 

[EternalMortal]

Well, well, well look who we have here. DG ISI in Kabul & it’s not Faiz. No nIAzI in sight either.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628320167645138945

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628328560359272449

 

[HAIDER]

unstable stable Afghanistan fits in Pak regional policy.