Taiwan's TSMC overtakes INTEL in chip density | Madison

[Martian2]

Sure,TPP dont break WTO rules, but we can make more policy, more rules to stop importing products from none TPP nations.

VN just created new vehicle import policy ( we call it 116 decree) . That decree doesnt break WTOs rule, but it immediately stop all cars imported from Indonesia to VN .

JP and other TPP nations can make the same decree like VN 116 decree that will stop all TWs chips but doesnt break WTOs rules, so that JP can sell her chips to make money.

Vietnam is a developing country. It has special powers under the WTO to set up temporary tariffs and protections until it becomes a developed country.

Japan cannot emulate Vietnam. Japan is classified as a developed country and its tariffs are strictly regulated by the WTO.
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You keep seeking a way to gain tremendous economic advantage through protectionism via the TPP. It doesn't exist.

The WTO created a worldwide system where the trade rules are fair.

It just happens that China excels in economic competition when the playing field is level. China has greater economies of scale, possesses advanced technologies, and has an authoritarian government that can mandate automation throughout Chinese manufacturing plants to increase production efficiency.

The only way to challenge China or Taiwan is to pull out of the WTO. However, if the Europeans and China decide to stay in the WTO and continue trade then the US is at a severe disadvantage.

Hence, the United States is unlikely to pull out of the WTO. If the US, China, and EU stay in the WTO then the TPP will have little effect.

By the way, only the US Congress can withdraw from the WTO. President Trump does not have that power. NAFTA was an exception and its trade treaty terms specifically stated that the US president could pull out of NAFTA with six months notice.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Vietnam is a developing country. It has special powers under the WTO to set up temporary tariffs and protections until it becomes a developed country.

Japan cannot emulate Vietnam. Japan is classified as a developed country and its tariffs are strictly regulated by the WTO.

pls read VN 116 decree first. We dont increase tariff to Indonesia's car, we just require more documents and more inspection for car imported from Thai,Indonesia and we just keep putting on hold all paperworks, the result is Zero car from indonesia can import to VN in 2018.

JP can do the same by putting on hold all paperworks and make products using TWs chip keep waiting till...collapse,right ??

 

[Martian2]

pls read VN 116 decree first. We dont increase tariff to Indonesia's car, we just require more documents and more inspection for car imported from Thai,Indonesia and we just keep putting on hold all paperworks, the result is Zero car from indonesia can import to VN in 2018.

JP can do the same by putting on hold all paperworks and make products using TWs chip keep waiting till...collapse,right ??

Taiwanese chips are in everything.

Japan can try to wage a trade war against the United States, European Union, and China.

Remember, 80% of TSMC company stock is held by foreigners. They are most likely Americans and Europeans. Try protectionism against TSMC and the stock owners will wage war on your country.
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The Vietnamese document and inspection games with Indonesia are unlikely to be effective in the long term. The Indonesians will retaliate on Vietnamese exports to Indonesia. Everybody can play these economic games of protectionism.

During the 1980s, I remember the Japanese claimed their snow was different and they had to inspect imported French skis.

I think the French said their rain was different and they had to inspect Japanese tires.

These silly games are pointless. When you discriminate against another country, they will hit your exports into their country. Also, they will remember that you picked an economic fight with them. They will discriminate against your exports for decades to come.

The only long-term path to economic success is to develop your own patents and technological products. The WTO was designed to reward innovation. There is very little chance of economic success by trying to practice disguised protectionism under the WTO framework.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Taiwanese chips are in everything.

Japan can try to wage a trade war against the United States, European Union, and China.

Remember, 80% of TSMC company stock is held by foreigners. They are most likely Americans and Europeans. Try protectionism against TSMC and the stock owners will wage war on your country.
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The Vietnamese document and inspection games with Indonesia is unlikely to be effective in the long term. The Indonesians will retaliate on Vietnamese exports to Indonesia. Everybody can play these economic games of protectionism.

Actually,Im quite surprise when JP keep trying hard on TPP. Now, I understand that JP chip manufacturing sector is dying by TWs chips, JP phone is dying by Samsung, Apple so TPP is the only chance to help JP sell her chips. I bet that JP will use TPP to kill both TW and SK to revive her phone and chips.

Indonesia ia none tpp nation, so we just simply dont care if she retaliate or not. We got big support from TPP group specially from JP and our economy will keep growing fast.

 

[Martian2]

Actually,Im quite surprise when JP keep trying hard on TPP. Now, I understand that JP chip manufacturing sector is dying by TWs chips, JP phone is dying by Samsung, Apple so TPP is the only chance to sell JPs chip. I bet that JP will use TPP to kill both TW and SK to revive her phone and chips.

Indonesia ia none tpp nation, so we just simply dont care if she retaliate or not. We got big support from TPP group and oir economy will keep growing.

That's very limited thinking.

Other countries will band together to form a rival to the TPP and sink your boat.

Your logic: Vietnam will leverage TPP to pick on Indonesia.

Response: Indonesia joins RCEP and leverages it to pick on Vietnam. Indonesia will remember Vietnam as an economic enemy for decades to come.

You do not come out ahead.

 

[Viva_Viet]

That's very limited thinking.

Other countries will band together to form a rival to the TPP and sink your boat.
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Your logic: Vietnam will leverage TPP to pick on Indonesia.

Response: Indonesia joins RCEP and leverages it to pick on Vietnam. Indonesia will remember Vietnam as an economic enemy for decades to come.

You do not come out ahead.

Pls read history again bro. When VN attacked and occupied Cambodia in 1979, Indonesia,Thai form ASEAN group and declared VN was enemy of the group...and did we care ??? Nope, we didnt give it a damn and keep attacking Thai from 1979 to 1988. The funny now is that we ( VN,Thai,Indonesia) are all in ASEAN group

So, its good if they declare VN is their enemy again. Nothing change.

Same thing for JP. TW and Samsung are pushing her phone, her chips to the verge of collapse, of course JP will leverage TPP to pick on TW, Samsung. And I bet that JP will survive while TWs chipa ,Samsung will go broke

 

[Martian2]

Pls read history again bro. When VN attacked and occupied Cambodia in 1979, Indonesia,Thai form ASEAN group and declared VN was enemy of the group...and did we care ??? Nope, we didnt give it a damn and keep attacking Thai from 1979 to 1988. The funny now is that we ( VN,Thai,Indonesia) are all in ASEAN group

So, its good if they declare VN is their enemy again. Nothing change.

Same thing for JP. TW and Samsung are pushing her phone, her chips to the verge of collapse, of course JP will leverage TPP to pick on TW, Samsung. And I bet that JP will survive while TWs chipa ,Samsung will go broke

I don't think the TPP will affect Taiwan much.

Taiwan owns a mountain of patents in notebook computers and has 90% worldwide market share.

The WTO, European Union (formerly EEC), NAFTA, Mercosur, etc. had no effect on Taiwanese exports of notebook computers.

TSMC's 7nm technology is based on 30,000 patents.

Taiwan's AUO owns four critical patents for the manufacture of LCD displays.

The issue isn't just tariffs.

There is no way to violate a Taiwanese patent without being sued for damages.

US, Europe, and the World Court will enforce Taiwanese patents granted by the USPTO, EPO, and WIPO.

Currently, Taiwan has over 160,000 USPTO patents alone. I don't know how many EPO and WIPO patents that Taiwan owns. There is no way to get around the Taiwanese mountain of technological patents.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I don't think the TPP will affect Taiwan much.

Taiwan owns a mountain of patents in notebook computers and has 90% worldwide market share.

The WTO, European Union (formerly EEC), NAFTA, Mercosur, etc. had no effect on Taiwanese exports of notebook computers.

TSMC's 7nm technology is based on 30,000 patents.

Taiwan's AUO owns four critical patents for the manufacture of LCD displays.

The issue isn't just tariffs.

There is no way to violate a Taiwanese patent without being sued for damages.

US, European, and the World Court will enforce Taiwanese patents granted by the USPTO, EPO, and WIPO.

Currently, Taiwan has over 160,000 USPTO patents alone. I don't know how many EPO and WIPO patents that Taiwan owns. There is no way to get around the Taiwanese mountain of technological patents.

In this world,the might makes right bro.JP seem dislikes TW receiving so much money from foreign investors cos it make JPs chips lose the market, thats one of reason make JP keep trying hard in TPP ( JP want TPP much more than VN and other TPP members).

With TPP I think that JP wanna rules SK and TW again after WW2. Bad thing gonna happen to TWese and SKorean

 

[Martian2]

Samsung is one year behind TSMC in 7nm semiconductor logic-chip manufacture

Taiwan TSMC is starting volume production of 7nm semiconductor logic-chip manufacture for Apple's A12 Processor in the second quarter of 2018.

This week, Samsung is beginning construction of a new 7nm logic-chip manufacturing plant. It won't be ready until next year.

TSMC has a one-year lead over Samsung in 7nm.

TSMC said its 5nm will be ready for volume production in 2020.

Samsung will lag TSMC in advanced node logic-chip technology for the next few years.
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Samsung building new 7nm foundry plant to catch up with TSMC | SamMobile (February 21, 2018)

"A South Korean news outlet has reported today that Samsung is going to break ground this week for a new 7-nanometer foundry plant.
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Samsung expects to start mass producing 7nm chips at this facility from next year."

 

[AndrewJin]

I thought Bangololololo did the best in this sector, PDFers say they are the strongest IT power.

 

[j20blackdragon]

China foundry SMIC to enter 7nm race

China-based pure-play foundry Semiconductor Manufacturing International (SMIC) is looking to start R&D for 7nm process technology later in 2017, according to company CEO and executive director Tzu-Yin Chiu.

SMIC will join the world's major chipmakers including Intel, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), Samsung Electronics and Globalfoundries capable of making 7nm chips, said Chiu

http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/shownews.asp?num=18992

Leaker of TSMC Secrets Joins SMIC as Co-CEO

Liang Mong-song, a former employee at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) who leaked process technology to Samsung several years ago, has joined Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. as co-CEO.

https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332462

Former TSMC R&D executive Liang Mong-song, dubbed the biggest traitor in Taiwan’s semiconductor industry for leaking trade secrets to South Korean rival Samsung, has jumped ship again, this time taking the post of co-chief executive with China’s SMIC.

https://english.cw.com.tw/article/article.action?id=1714