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  • 12 Feb 2014
Following the first government-to-government meeting between Beijing and Taipei since the civil war ended in 1949, analysts say rather than the Communist Party it will be the Taiwanese voters that will ultimately set the agenda for reunification.

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Taiwanese and Chinese officials meet at the Purple Mountain Guest House in Nanjing during their first government-to-government meeting in more than six decades. (AFP/Mark Ralston)

BEIJING: The first government-to-government meeting between Beijing and Taipei since the brutal civil war ended in 1949 highlights China's dream of reunification -- but analysts say Taiwanese voters will ultimately set the agenda, rather than the mighty Communist Party.

Tuesday's historic talks in Nanjing -- China's capital when it was under the Kuomintang, or Nationalists, who are now the elected government in Taiwan -- brought together the top officials from both sides overseeing cross-straits relations.

Although more symbolic than substantive, they came after decades of hostility following a bitter war which ended 65 years ago with the Nationalists retreating to Taiwan with two million people, leaving Mao Zedong's victorious Communists to rule the mainland.

Both sides insist they are the rightful rulers of all of China, and Beijing has not renounced the use of force to assert its claim over Taiwan, which it considers a renegade province.

But ties have warmed in more recent years, with Taipei's tone toward the mainland softening after the 2008 election of the Kuomintang's Ma Ying-jeou as president, and Beijing holding out economic carrots to try to win Taiwanese hearts and minds.

A key crossroad in the path ahead will be Taiwan's 2016 presidential elections, an opportunity to retake power for the opposition Democratic Progressive Party, once vociferously in favour of declaring independence.

Such a move would undoubtedly infuriate Beijing, which has the world's largest military, but the DPP has begun re-evaluating its policy towards China and may think twice before risking the economic repercussions of antagonising its giant neighbour.

For Beijing to impose its will by asserting its superior power would be counterproductive, said Jingdong Yuan, a China expert at the University of Sydney.

"There will be a cost if the mainland applies coercion," he said. "If we're talking about unification or some kind of merge or coming together, I think there will be significant resistance from Taiwan."

Any aggression toward Taiwan might also prompt the US to step in, said Jia Qingguo, a professor of international studies at Peking University.

That puts Taiwanese voters at the start of the chain reaction.

"The factor that is most likely to change the cross-strait relations is a leadership change in Taiwan," said Jia.

Taiwan "buying time"

Beijing has a standing offer of reunification along the lines of the "one country, two systems" model that applies in the former British colony of Hong Kong, which enjoys rights not seen on the mainland.

But Taipei is unlikely to accept any arrangement that affords it inferior status.

As Tuesday's talks proceeded, a DPP legislator warned against "(selling) Taiwan's interests to China", and even some from the Kuomintang called for caution, with one saying Taiwan's representative "needs to be extremely careful".

Analysts say both sides are likely to continue pursuing economic and other non-controversial deals from which they both benefit, while anything else could bring them both headaches.

"Taiwan continues in essence to pursue a strategy of buying time, trying to benefit from good relations with China while fending off too much pressure from Beijing to agree to things that Taiwan sees as not its national interest," said Bonnie Glaser, a senior Asia adviser at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

As for China, she said, "I think for the time being that they are satisfied with incremental progress, as long as the trend is in the right direction."

"It may sound sort of uninteresting but I do really project the status quo out probably for the remainder of (Chinese President) Xi Jinping's term," she added. "I think there will be more progress in the cross-strait relationship, just as we're now seeing government officials talk to one another."

For now, both sides are building confidence and cooperation while avoiding thorny political issues -- much the approach adopted during the meeting.

After it, Zhang Zhijun, head of Beijing's Taiwan Affairs Office, said the two should "never let cross-strait relations again become tormented and never go backward", according to the official Xinhua news agency.

"We should and certainly can get closer in the future," he added.

- AFP/jl

Taiwan voters have final opinion on China ties, say experts - Channel NewsAsia
 
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Taiwan is the voter. Mainland is the one setting up the candidates.
 
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This is no expert, the civil war didn't end in 1949. This is an idiot. 1949 was the founding of people's republic, but KMT still has effective control over half of the country. It was a few years later that it truly ended on the main land.
 
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This is no expert, the civil war didn't end in 1949. This is an idiot. 1949 was the founding of people's republic, but KMT still has effective control over half of the country. It was a few years later that it truly ended on the main land.

I wouldn't call it years later. The Hainan campaign ended in April 1950, which marks the end of the liberation war. (Well, we were going to liberate Taiwan as well, but Korean war broke out.)
 
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I support Taiwan will be an independent country if majority of their people want that.
 
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I support Taiwan will be an independent country if majority of their people want that.

As if the Taiwanese care about some Vietcong showing support. Now don't tell me your jungle would go to war if China will use force to take Taiwan back, i'm pretty sure VN will just watch the show as it is no match for China and Vietcongs wouldn't want to lose their lives just to protect Taiwanese lol.
 
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As if the Taiwanese care about some Vietcong showing support. Now don't tell me your jungle would go to war if China will use force to take Taiwan back, i'm pretty sure VN will just watch the show as it is no match for China and Vietcongs wouldn't want to lose their lives just to protect Taiwanese lol.

You are more aggressive than the essential level.

I said, I support the will to be independent of Taiwanese people if majority of them want it.

You said you use force to take Taiwan ( including their people ). It's useless because it's similar to invade their land.
and rule them against their will.
 
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You are more aggressive than the essential level.

I said, I support the will to be independent of Taiwanese people if majority of them want it.

You said you use force to take Taiwan ( including their people ). It's useless because it's similar to invade their land.
and rule them against their will.

Learn to read first, i did not say we will use force to take the island back, If Taiwan accept Beijing's peaceful offer of one country two system that would be great for both of us. If Taiwan pushes for independence China won't hesitate to invade. If Taiwan doesn't want to unify and rather stay status quo they are at the mercy of Mainland, as we can allow it that way or lose patience and still invade.

When you say it's useless, i find this comment even hilarious. The purpose of this aggressive unification effort is not to enslave Taiwanese, it's to take over the island's defence. Taiwanese will continue to live a normal live without restrictions, won't be put in labor camps like North Korea. Taiwanese will see they won't lose their freedom because Macau and HK are the greatest examples.
You are forgetting strictly speaking Mainland and Taiwan never signed a treaty, it's just not dramatic as the Koreas. Should Mainland loses patience in the future with Taiwan, who knows China might launch an invasion in order to unify again. This applies to both Koreas as well. Who are you to say that South Korea should remain South Korea and North Korea has no right to unify with the South again?
 
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Taiwan is in your short-range missile reach during more than half of a century.
Their Matsu and Kinmen islands even right in your gate of main ports. In distance, in your carabine range.

What make you patience ? when you could make even Nuke, ICBMs, aircraft carrier ?
Or you change your mind after few attempts to invade them but failed ?

Kinmen beach , few kilometers from China coast

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Taiwan is in your short-range missile reach during more than half of a century.
Their Matsu and Kinmen islands even right in your gate of main ports. In distance, in your carabine range.

What make you patience ? when you could make even Nuke, ICBMs, aircraft carrier ?
Or you change your mind after few attempts to invade them but failed ?

Kinmen beach , few kilometers from China coast

p11a.jpg

Vietcongs really are low on IQ, first of all China doesn't want to destroy the island with the missiles and secondly to make sure the US doesn't get involved or the consequences will be severe. It's not a good thing killing our brothers on that island and bombing the island to pieces. Use your brain for once, the distance is very close, a massive invasion is an easy feat the PLA can pull it off. If the PLA can't invade/unify with Taiwan why did Taiwan suddenly become quiet in '95 during the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis? They were pushing for independence and after China launching missiles as warnings and the US getting involved plus telling Taiwan to quiet down a war was avoided. To this very day Taiwan has not become independent WHY? Because everybody knows if they go down that path they will know they are screwed.
 
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Vietcongs really are low on IQ, first of all China doesn't want to destroy the island with the missiles and secondly to make sure the US doesn't get involved or the consequences will be severe. It's not a good thing killing our brothers on that island and bombing the island to pieces. Use your brain for once, the distance is very close, a massive invasion is an easy feat the PLA can pull it off. If the PLA can't invade/unify with Taiwan why did Taiwan suddenly become quiet in '95 during the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis? They were pushing for independence and after China launching missiles as warnings and the US getting involved plus telling Taiwan to quiet down a war was avoided. To this very day Taiwan has not become independent WHY? Because everybody knows if they go down that path they will know they are screwed.

I means majority of Taiwanese people wasn't kidnapped by Taiwanese authorities. They volunteer for their independence.
They invaded you by capital, ... your poorer workers obey their orders to work hard, your people paying for their Made-in-China products. The profit come into their pocket, while the GDP count to China mainland
 
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you have no knowledge of China's history. China historically had fallen into pieces for hundreds of years. by your little brain, China would have no chance to re-unite.

China will always re-unite. Let alone now it is just such a small piece left out.

Because you are the Chinese mainland ..
Taiwan staying away from mainland for over a half of a century
 
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If Mainland China and ROC Taiwan reunite....

1. What will be the new name for China ?

2. Whose Flag will be use ? Or will there be a new flag ?

3. Whose national anthem will be sung ?

Interesting eh ?
 
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